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Re: Riding on deep sand roads
« Reply #20 on: October 11, 2015, 06:26:52 pm »
So riding sand sitting down is not going to work?

I find I have less control when sitting but standing for long distances is exhausting. I get my rhythm standing and then when I'm in control and happy I sit down. I definitely find that the bike stays more in line when I'm standing but it could be in my head!
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Re: Riding on deep sand roads
« Reply #21 on: October 11, 2015, 06:45:08 pm »
So riding sand sitting down is not going to work?


If the sand is not deep i find sitting works for me. Just move but back a bit with arms almost straight and slightly open throttle to maintain speed when you hit a sand patch.
 

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Re: Riding on deep sand roads
« Reply #22 on: October 11, 2015, 08:33:31 pm »
If you're in or around Cape Town, there's a group of us that rides sand (on purpose) weekly. For all the theory, the only anybody gets comfortable on sand is through practice.

The more you do it, the better you get. The better you get the more enjoyable it is. As Leigh said, it gets addictive when you start to get a feel for it.

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Re: Riding on deep sand roads
« Reply #23 on: October 11, 2015, 09:21:39 pm »
Sand is soos my vrou sê - o Fok oomblikke. Ons ry lekker rustig op die grondpad tot ons die sand slaan, en al wat sy hoor in die Sena is "o Fok". 😁
 

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Re: Riding on deep sand roads
« Reply #24 on: October 11, 2015, 11:40:04 pm »
The lighter the bike the easier in thick sand....
The heavier the bike the harder in thick sand..
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Re: Riding on deep sand roads
« Reply #25 on: October 11, 2015, 11:57:16 pm »
The lighter the bike the easier in thick sand....
The heavier the bike the harder in thick sand..


I havent found this to be completely true, in my experience of course.

A few years ago me and my old man took our bikes, me Dr650 stock, him 09 new model KLR650 also stock, to mozambique. We rode the dunes and the tweespoor stuff we couldnt get our 4X4 up the previous year. I found the DR was a bit twitchy and nervous on sand and it took more work than the KLR to ride in sand. The KLR took more work to pull away on but once I got it into second and got traction it was so much more stable on the sand than my DR. I could almost use the sand banks on the side of the roads as a berm on the KLR and I could keep my pace quite a bit higher on it in the twisty bits. When I tried this on the DR I ended up with a helmet full of sand and had to listen to my father hold that one crash over me for a good few weeks.
Both the KLR and DR were on michelin sirac tyres, same size and same pressure, we did not deflate the tyres so they were at 2.5 rear and 2.2 front.

If I had to guess I would say the KLR had a better suspension geometry than the lighter more agile DR. I have since bought a XR650R and it is much better than anything else I have ever ridden in sand, and yes it is lighter and I have knobblies on it. But once again the XR was designed for high speed stability over outright agility or cornering, and I believe that the geometry of the bike has a lot to do with its ability (and your confidence) in sand. I am not saying the weight of the bike does not matter but I think the geometry has a greater effect than a 30kg difference.

But once again this was just what I experienced, and I have since gained a lot more experience on bikes off road so perhaps if I were to try it now I would have a different experience.
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Re: Riding on deep sand roads
« Reply #26 on: October 12, 2015, 07:52:33 am »

I havent found this to be completely, true in my experience of course.


I find heavy bikes squirrely at low speed but actually more planted moving quickly. Once you're up to speed on a big bike you have a lot of inertia, and this translates directly to powering through soft ruts as opposed to having negotiate them.

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Re: Riding on deep sand roads
« Reply #27 on: October 12, 2015, 09:09:14 am »
Deep and loose sand riding aren't that difficult. A few simple guide lines. Practice it a lot. Don't fight the bike. Let your tires down to about 0.7 bar. The lighter the bike the easier it gets but the basics remain the same. When you go through extremely deep sand you need to hold your arms stiffer. Do not close your throttle completely when in thick deep sand. Its also easier while standing. Oh and yes, I stay in Walvis Bay and ride dunes every single weekend. So when you this side of Namibia come and have a jol with us.
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Re: Riding on deep sand roads
« Reply #28 on: October 12, 2015, 11:48:01 am »
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Re: Riding on deep sand roads
« Reply #29 on: October 12, 2015, 12:03:26 pm »
I stay in Walvis Bay and ride dunes every single weekend.

Dunes are easy compared to endless tweespoor sand.

That is the real challenge.

The deeper the spore the wetter the brown stains.
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Re: Riding on deep sand roads
« Reply #30 on: October 12, 2015, 12:11:09 pm »
 endless tweespoor sand

I agree. I would like to do that piece between Groenriviermond and Hondeklipbaai and when I get to the other side sommer turn around because it was lekker and do it again.

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Re: Riding on deep sand roads
« Reply #31 on: October 12, 2015, 12:11:34 pm »
I stay in Walvis Bay and ride dunes every single weekend.

Dunes are easy compared to endless tweespoor sand.

That is the real challenge.

The deeper the spore the wetter the brown stains.
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I don't ride deep sand but sandy tweespoor I really hate especially if it is a twisty one  :xxbah:
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Re: Riding on deep sand roads
« Reply #32 on: October 12, 2015, 12:14:44 pm »
endless tweespoor sand

I agree. I would like to do that piece between Groenriviermond and Hondeklipbaai and when I get to the other side sommer turn around because it was lekker and do it again.

Yes only in my dreams. :deal: :biggrin:

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Re: Riding on deep sand roads
« Reply #33 on: October 12, 2015, 12:17:54 pm »
endless tweespoor sand

I agree. I would like to do that piece between Groenriviermond and Hondeklipbaai and when I get to the other side sommer turn around because it was lekker and do it again.

Yes only in my dreams. :deal: :biggrin:

Ek het die RR van Hinks , Mof ,Weskus en kie gelees op daai stuk met Blinkes (die rekkie  ) en net daar besluit ons gaan nooit daarso ooit ry nie.  :sip:

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Re: Riding on deep sand roads
« Reply #34 on: October 12, 2015, 12:22:58 pm »
endless tweespoor sand

I agree. I would like to do that piece between Groenriviermond and Hondeklipbaai and when I get to the other side sommer turn around because it was lekker and do it again.

Yes only in my dreams. :deal: :biggrin:

Ek het die RR van Hinks , Mof ,Weskus en kie gelees op daai stuk met Blinkes (die rekkie  ) en net daar besluit ons gaan nooit daarso ooit ry nie.  :sip:

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maar dink net as mens die skill het dat so iets vir jou maklik is?

Daai pad is ok op 650cc bikes, maar raak kak op n groot bike.

Ek het hom amper laasweek gery met die terugkom van Alexanderbaai af, maar toe dink ek as daai swaar 950 op my val en daar is niemand om hom van my af op te tel nie, gaan my vrou darem lekker my lewensversekeringsgeld spandeer.
Toe vat ek maar die gewone pad huistoe.
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Re: Riding on deep sand roads
« Reply #35 on: October 12, 2015, 12:26:57 pm »
endless tweespoor sand

I agree. I would like to do that piece between Groenriviermond and Hondeklipbaai and when I get to the other side sommer turn around because it was lekker and do it again.

Yes only in my dreams. :deal: :biggrin:

Ek het die RR van Hinks , Mof ,Weskus en kie gelees op daai stuk met Blinkes (die rekkie  ) en net daar besluit ons gaan nooit daarso ooit ry nie.  :sip:

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maar dink net as mens die skill het dat so iets vir jou maklik is?

Sal lekker wees.
Waar is daai RR van die man met sy HP2 wat so teen die weskus sandpaaie opgery het (weetie of hy dieselfde deel gedoen het nie). Sommer tjop tjop gery en dieselfde dag nog in Namibie in.
 

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Re: Riding on deep sand roads
« Reply #36 on: October 12, 2015, 12:29:42 pm »
Toe vat ek maar die gewone pad huistoe

Hoop nie dis die N7 nie?
Hopelik teen die see af van Gmond na Koekenaap?

SM dit was Tau met die HP, maar jy moet onthou hy is nie normaal nie :deal: ;) :thumleft:
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Re: Riding on deep sand roads
« Reply #37 on: October 12, 2015, 12:33:08 pm »
endless tweespoor sand

I agree. I would like to do that piece between Groenriviermond and Hondeklipbaai and when I get to the other side sommer turn around because it was lekker and do it again.

Yes only in my dreams. :deal: :biggrin:

Ek het die RR van Hinks , Mof ,Weskus en kie gelees op daai stuk met Blinkes (die rekkie  ) en net daar besluit ons gaan nooit daarso ooit ry nie.  :sip:

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maar dink net as mens die skill het dat so iets vir jou maklik is?

I've said this before, it seems you need skillz and ballz, the question is which do you need first  :eek7: .

I don't go search out long tracts of sand, but if I come across it, I can and will manage somehow. It may not be pretty or elegant, but I will get to the other side somehow and eventually.

I would assume its like anything else, the more you ride it, the better you will become. Going on a sand course will give you the info, but not the experience, that will only come through kilometers under the belt.

I sit in the situation where I have no problems with sand at all on my WR, on all kinds of sand. I just cannot seem to transfer the ability to the bigger bike. Maybe it is the fear of what will happen if I throw my 800 over my head like I have done with the smaller bike.


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Re: Riding on deep sand roads
« Reply #38 on: October 12, 2015, 12:35:05 pm »
We’re going to a private reserve in a couple of weeks’ time that has those deep snaking, tweespore with a wall of sand on each side. The bike is going on a trailer. My wife and I did it once on the 990 and that was worst experience I ever had on a bike
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Re: Riding on deep sand roads
« Reply #39 on: October 12, 2015, 12:40:05 pm »
those deep snaking, tweespore with a wall

It's weird how aim as you might and balance all you have but you will start hugging the wall with the fronttyre. :deal:
I always pick the right track and then i know i cannot go any further than the bushes.
If i pick the left track i very quickly end up in the right one having to go over a monster middelman. :biggrin:
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