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Offline Xpat

2014 690 forks
« on: October 14, 2015, 03:17:37 pm »
So the next thing that bothers me on my new pink machine is the forks. I know no bikes is perfect out of box, but have hoped that KTM with their WP reputation will do better, but it seems they let accountants design these. So I'm contemplating giving it to Hilton Hayward for make-over.

Before I do that, I wanted to check if anybody here with 2014/15 have had their OEM forks modified and what was the result. Is it possible to modify these into decent performing forks, or should I rather start looking for replacement?

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Re: 2014 690 forks
« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2015, 05:36:43 pm »
If you are going to ride it with aggression a visit to Hilton Hayward is recommended.  The 690 is closer to a dirtbike so setup is expected not an exception.  But once you get it right it is fantastic.  But saying this the 2014/2015 suspension, from a spec perspective, is a serious downgrade over the 2013 model. But still better than almost anything else.

Have you set the sag?

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Re: 2014 690 forks
« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2015, 07:04:27 pm »
When I got my bike the front was the same as you described, fidgety and bumpy. I had the stock suspension set up properly for me, and since then the bike was transformed. Highly confidence inspiring. So I would start there before doing anything to drastic
 

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Re: 2014 690 forks
« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2015, 08:49:21 pm »
Ok, I called Hilton and will drop the forks and shock with him next week for revolve and what not. I didn't set-up sag as I'm useless at it and read on inter web that there are more fundamental problem with it.

@Toors: I'm 90 kgs naked, but my bike has Omega Carbon kit on with additional 16 litres of petrol and I will be adding luggage. I want to use bike primarily for off-tar adventure riding trips - mostly desert riding, but including rocks as in Van Zyl's pass and such. Not for dedicated Lesotho duty. Here are some videos from my prior trips:

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Re: 2014 690 forks
« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2015, 08:57:39 pm »
BaasAttie on this forum has just had his 690 forks done, I believe through Hylton. PM him.
 

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Re: 2014 690 forks
« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2015, 09:06:27 pm »
Thanks, I'll PM him.

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Re: 2014 690 forks
« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2015, 09:11:04 pm »
Xpat I have closed cartridge 250 SX forks on the front.They really work well.I swear the bike is more stable at high speed than my 950.I was fortunate to get it in this setup.The bike originally had the omega rally tanks and fairings when it arrived.That lasted for one outing before I stripped it off and sold it.
Just another option you can consider .
 

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Re: 2014 690 forks
« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2015, 09:31:36 pm »
 :biggrin: Why dont you fit your fancy,  front suspension from the Tenere that you have?
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Re: 2014 690 forks
« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2015, 09:35:35 pm »
Keeping Tenere for the time being as back-up, until at least the first bigger trip in KTM - should KTM try to kill me, I may return humbly to Ten. But if the pinky proves to be reasonably reliable, I'll swap the forks, as they are far superior.

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Re: 2014 690 forks
« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2015, 09:51:54 pm »
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Re: 2014 690 forks
« Reply #10 on: October 15, 2015, 12:01:15 pm »
Just put your 630 forks in  ;D
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Re: 2014 690 forks
« Reply #11 on: October 15, 2015, 05:39:41 pm »
Xpat I have closed cartridge 250 SX forks on the front.They really work well.I swear the bike is more stable at high speed than my 950.I was fortunate to get it in this setup.The bike originally had the omega rally tanks and fairings when it arrived.That lasted for one outing before I stripped it off and sold it.
Just another option you can consider .
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Re: 2014 690 forks
« Reply #12 on: October 15, 2015, 06:16:48 pm »
Just put your 630 forks in  ;D


They would definitely be an improvement over the current set-up of 690 ones, but you may be overestimating them - they are very different from early model 610 ones (which i think you have). Husky/BMW followed the KTM example of dumbing down later model suspension, so 630 has the same forks as X-challenge - less travel and no compression damping (I think). Runner somehow massaged that compression thingy in mine and it improved it greatly, but I would bet that yours are different league.

And anyway, I'm keeping Husky for Lesotho duty (it is far superior to 690 in gnarly stuff) and as second bike when my mates from Europe fly over for a ride

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Re: 2014 690 forks
« Reply #13 on: October 15, 2015, 06:20:12 pm »
Xpat I have closed cartridge 250 SX forks on the front.They really work well.I swear the bike is more stable at high speed than my 950.I was fortunate to get it in this setup.The bike originally had the omega rally tanks and fairings when it arrived.That lasted for one outing before I stripped it off and sold it.
Just another option you can consider .

If the forks don't perform to my liking after the set-up, I will swap them (I have Wp from 660RFR on my Tenere). And stability will be one of the key things as currently at speeds over 130 the bikes starts weaving discomfortingly (even on tar).

Why did you get rid of the rally kit (and did you have the Carbon one)? I'm planning to use the bike primarily for long distance dirt adventure riding, not enduro - for that I have TE630 and XCW300.

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Re: 2014 690 forks
« Reply #14 on: October 15, 2015, 07:51:24 pm »
Given that you have not checked the sag, too little sag will affect stability at speed.

Just watch a youtube video on sag and adjust it accordingly. It might save you some mandelas.
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Re: 2014 690 forks
« Reply #15 on: October 15, 2015, 08:07:40 pm »
You are right, I will, but the forks need work not just because of stability, but because in general they perform like crap. 2014 onwards they have new forks designed by accountants clearly where compression is controlled on one fork and damping on another. Prior years had better suspension as far as I was able to gather - in the general KTM fashion the first models the best and then they start optimising until the last models are barely bearable.

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Re: 2014 690 forks
« Reply #16 on: October 15, 2015, 08:57:41 pm »

Why did you get rid of the rally kit (and did you have the Carbon one)? I'm planning to use the bike primarily for long distance dirt adventure riding, not enduro - for that I have TE630 and XCW300.
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At the time I also had a SE.My rally kit was the fiberglass and not carbon kit.
I enjoy riding off the beaten track as if it were an enduro type of bike.The fairing just felt wrong for me.A five litre fuel bladder gives me an extra 100 km when I need it.Most of the time I trail the bike to within 40 km of the area I ride.Purely to save on tyres,maintenance and not to have to eat 100km of mindless tar to get from the coast to the midlands.I have also gone down one in the front and one up on the rear sprocket so that is another reason why I don't enjoy slabbing it.The wind doesn't bother me.
 

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Re: 2014 690 forks
« Reply #17 on: October 15, 2015, 09:10:16 pm »
Well yes if your used to RFR forks nothing is going to compare. Mine is stock and set to sport and bit extra. It's a bit hard on big hits but really stable on sand and medium rocky terrain and dirt and tar. Slight shimmy on the front on hard surfaces but that's probably the front tyre. Dunlop AT81
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Re: 2014 690 forks
« Reply #18 on: October 16, 2015, 05:16:28 pm »
Lol can't image what xpat is going to think about my slightly tuned stock tenere forks when riding my bike
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Re: 2014 690 forks
« Reply #19 on: October 16, 2015, 08:54:27 pm »
Lol can't image what xpat is going to think about my slightly tuned stock tenere forks when riding my bike
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Actually I may enjoy them, my WPs are pretty harsh for leisured riding - they come together when you start pushing. I'm sure it can be set-up differently and will play with compression damping a bit, but I'm not very skilled and patient tuner. I remember my standards were pretty atrocious, bottoming out at slightest provocation, but with Hyperpro springs they were actually quite OK. Well, we'll see.