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Re: MotoGP 2016.
« Reply #180 on: April 02, 2016, 06:20:46 pm »
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Re: MotoGP 2016.
« Reply #181 on: April 03, 2016, 07:28:30 am »
Chaos in Argentina MotoGP as Michelin withdraws both rear tire option due to safety reasons.  This happens after Scot Redding's rear disintegrated during FP4 which was red flagged as a result.  Michelin will provide a new medium compound tire with a harder construction for race day.  None of the riders have used this tire before.  They will get an extra 30 minutes practise today to feel the tire, then it is warm-up and the race,  This pretty much means, whichever of the teams adapting to the tire fastest will have the advantage in the race.  As Rossi and Marquez indicated, after four FP sessions and Qualifying, they all start from zero.  Not a situation anyone wants.

It seems Michelin is taking some strain ....
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Re: MotoGP 2016.
« Reply #182 on: April 03, 2016, 08:58:13 am »
Chaos in Argentina MotoGP as Michelin withdraws both rear tire option due to safety reasons.  This happens after Scot Redding's rear disintegrated during FP4 which was red flagged as a result.  Michelin will provide a new medium compound tire with a harder construction for race day.  None of the riders have used this tire before.  They will get an extra 30 minutes practise today to feel the tire, then it is warm-up and the race,  This pretty much means, whichever of the teams adapting to the tire fastest will have the advantage in the race.  As Rossi and Marquez indicated, after four FP sessions and Qualifying, they all start from zero.  Not a situation anyone wants.

It seems Michelin is taking some strain ....


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Re: MotoGP 2016.
« Reply #183 on: April 03, 2016, 04:27:55 pm »
Okaaayyy!  Easy peasy .... I think!   ???


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Following the replacement of the previous Michelins rear tyres with a new stiffer slick for race day in Argentina - then the arrival of wet weather on Sunday morning, the following will now occur:

"The warm-up starting at 10:40 will now be for 30 minutes, finishing at 11:10. This will apply whether the track is dry or wet.

"If the track is dry for the warm-up riders should use the replacement rear tyre (Option Tyre).

"If the track is wet for the warm-up then the plan to provide extra practice sessions with the Option tyre is cancelled and the race will be held using the tyres from the original allocation.

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"If the race starts in dry conditions if the warm-up has been dry then riders must start with the Option tyre and the race will be for the full 25 laps. The normal flag to flag conditions will apply if the track becomes wet.

"If the race starts in dry conditions when the warm-up has been wet then riders may use either of the rear slick tyres (Medium & Hard of their allocation for Argentina). However, the race will be “flag to flag” for 20 laps with a compulsory stop to change machines at the end of lap 9, 10 or 11.

"If the race starts in the wet and the track dries then Race Direction will decide if it is unsafe for the riders to continue in which case the race will be red flagged. The new “dry” race will then be restarted for ten laps with a 15 minute start procedure. Should the track become wet during this race the riders may change machines as normal.

"If the race starts in wet conditions and remains wet then the race will be for the normal 25 laps.

"Under no conditions will the use of intermediate tyres be permitted.

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The slick tyre change was announced following a failure for Scott Redding in final practice.

At present it looks like the MotoGP warm-up will be wet. The simplest thing would be if the track now remains wet throughout the day...

Update:  Warm-up was wet.
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« Reply #184 on: April 03, 2016, 09:48:20 pm »
WTF is this so called flag to flag bike swapping stuff we saw today  ??? Never heard of this before..prolly had something to do with the weather...can someone please help and explain this. I'm too stupid or ignorant, but whatever...it robbed us of a nice dice between VR and MM as VR's second bike was no good!

Also clear that JL was out of his depth this weekend...anyway the championship is developing rather interestingly...
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Re: MotoGP 2016.
« Reply #185 on: April 04, 2016, 09:01:47 am »
WTF is this so called flag to flag bike swapping stuff we saw today  ??? Never heard of this before..prolly had something to do with the weather...can someone please help and explain this. I'm too stupid or ignorant, but whatever...it robbed us of a nice dice between VR and MM as VR's second bike was no good!

Also clear that JL was out of his depth this weekend...anyway the championship is developing rather interestingly...

Also don't understand this rule, can someone explain? MM jumped straight onto his 2nd bike bike in a split second, VR lost at least a second against him in the pits as he got of one bike and climbed onto the next, then Rabat became the ham in the sandwich letting MM get away. A fight for 1st between arch rivals would have been so much more exiting.

Seems like this track is not suited to JL's style, MM on the other hand was sliding and snaking along at breakneck pace. He even slid onto the podium LOL!!
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Re: MotoGP 2016.
« Reply #186 on: April 04, 2016, 09:10:49 am »
WTF is this so called flag to flag bike swapping stuff we saw today  ??? Never heard of this before..prolly had something to do with the weather...can someone please help and explain this. I'm too stupid or ignorant, but whatever...it robbed us of a nice dice between VR and MM as VR's second bike was no good!

Also clear that JL was out of his depth this weekend...anyway the championship is developing rather interestingly...

It happens reasonably frequently, usually due to  starting a wet race and then the track dries up. All wet races are "flag-to-flag" races.  This means they will not stop the race for a tire change.  The riders will decide when, then com ein and swop their wet bikes for dry bikes.

In this case it was for safety reasons as the Michelin tires were suspect.  It wasn't clear that the would last the full race.  This decision came after a rear tire disintegrated on Scott Redding's bike during FP4.  Similar to Philip Island and Bridgestone a few years ago when MM forgot to pit and change and was black flagged.  They therefore limited them to a certain number of laps prior to enforcing a tire change.  The fastest to do that is a whole bike change.
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Re: MotoGP 2016.
« Reply #187 on: April 04, 2016, 09:11:56 am »
It was a safety thing.

In qualifying, one of the tires delaminated and punched the rear of a Ducati bending the entire rear up and scaring Scott Redding.

Michelin then deemed those tires not safe and withdrew them. Then for the only other dry weather tire left to choose from, to be on the safe side they said that the tires could only be guaranteed for no more than 12 laps.

Thus riders had to swap their bikes on either lap 9, 10 or 11.

Because of this, all the GP riders were given an extra half hour before the race to warm up and get their settings right.

A bit of a farce

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Re: MotoGP 2016.
« Reply #188 on: April 04, 2016, 09:14:56 am »
Michelin then deemed those tires not safe and withdrew them. Then for the only other dry weather tire left to choose from, to be on the safe side they said that the tires could only be guaranteed for no more than 12 laps.




They did not race on the tire you mention in the end.  They raced on the tires they practised on as that was what the bikes were set up for.  This is why the flag to flag rule came into play. 
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Re: MotoGP 2016.
« Reply #189 on: April 04, 2016, 09:18:39 am »
WTF is this so called flag to flag bike swapping stuff we saw today  ??? Never heard of this before..prolly had something to do with the weather...can someone please help and explain this. I'm too stupid or ignorant, but whatever...it robbed us of a nice dice between VR and MM as VR's second bike was no good!

Also clear that JL was out of his depth this weekend...anyway the championship is developing rather interestingly...

It happens reasonably frequently, usually due to  starting a wet race and then the track dries up. All wet races are "flag-to-flag" races.  This means they will not stop the race for a tire change.  The riders will decide when, then com ein and swop their wet bikes for dry bikes.

In this case it was for safety reasons as the Michelin tires were suspect.  It wasn't clear that the would last the full race.  This decision came after a rear tire disintegrated on Scott Redding's bike during FP4.  Similar to Philip Island and Bridgestone a few years ago when MM forgot to pit and change and was black flagged.  They therefore limited them to a certain number of laps prior to enforcing a tire change.  The fastest to do that is a whole bike change.


Thanks Bear...I've only been watching MotoGP since last year (could only then afford DSTV) and since then it has not happened.  ;D
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Re: MotoGP 2016.
« Reply #190 on: April 04, 2016, 09:55:56 am »
Poor Ianone!  Penalised 3 grid positions for next weeks GP in Austin, Texas and 1 penalty point on his license for his little indiscretion in the 2nd last bend yesterday.

Personally, I think a battle hardened battleship sailor could have learned new curse words in the Ducati pit last night!   :imaposer:




WTF is this so called flag to flag bike swapping stuff we saw today  ??? Never heard of this before..prolly had something to do with the weather...can someone please help and explain this. I'm too stupid or ignorant, but whatever...it robbed us of a nice dice between VR and MM as VR's second bike was no good!

Also clear that JL was out of his depth this weekend...anyway the championship is developing rather interestingly...

It happens reasonably frequently, usually due to  starting a wet race and then the track dries up. All wet races are "flag-to-flag" races.  This means they will not stop the race for a tire change.  The riders will decide when, then com ein and swop their wet bikes for dry bikes.

In this case it was for safety reasons as the Michelin tires were suspect.  It wasn't clear that the would last the full race.  This decision came after a rear tire disintegrated on Scott Redding's bike during FP4.  Similar to Philip Island and Bridgestone a few years ago when MM forgot to pit and change and was black flagged.  They therefore limited them to a certain number of laps prior to enforcing a tire change.  The fastest to do that is a whole bike change.


Thanks Bear...I've only been watching MotoGP since last year (could only then afford DSTV) and since then it has not happened.  ;D

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Re: MotoGP 2016.
« Reply #191 on: April 04, 2016, 09:58:25 am »
He did ride like a dick, though. Nearly skittled every one on the very first corner.

And he cost Ducati 36 points yesterday, and a possible 15 odd in the first race.
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« Reply #192 on: April 04, 2016, 10:46:42 am »
Poor Ianone.. :laughing4:

He properly earned those penalties.
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« Reply #193 on: April 04, 2016, 01:01:53 pm »
Poor Ianone.. :laughing4:

He properly earned those penalties.
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« Reply #194 on: April 04, 2016, 01:35:21 pm »
Poor Ianone.. :laughing4:

He properly earned those penalties.

Well, I am not sure whether he did earn them or not, but hopefully Race Direction with Dorna out of the decision making process will now stay strict and fair as the season progress. 
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« Reply #195 on: April 04, 2016, 01:40:00 pm »
You should know they only ever penalise Italian riders...
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« Reply #196 on: April 04, 2016, 01:49:48 pm »
You should know they only ever penalise Italian riders...

Ja.  Troo dat, nê?

 Just hoping it will change.  I did note that JL99 did not receive any penalty for holding up a rider on a flying lap during qualification for DOHA.
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« Reply #197 on: April 04, 2016, 05:59:30 pm »
Ianone ... what an amateur move ... rumour that Ducati are talking to Lorenzo maybe causing him to panic
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« Reply #198 on: April 05, 2016, 09:49:32 am »
Ianone ... what an amateur move ... rumour that Ducati are talking to Lorenzo maybe causing him to panic

Nothing wrong with the move.  If he made it stick he would have been hailed a hero.  There was a nice, fat gap.  This move was no different to many others we regularly see in MotoGP.
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« Reply #199 on: April 05, 2016, 10:00:52 am »
Ianone ... what an amateur move ... rumour that Ducati are talking to Lorenzo maybe causing him to panic

Nothing wrong with the move.  If he made it stick he would have been hailed a hero.  There was a nice, fat gap.  This move was no different to many others we regularly see in MotoGP.

I can't quite agree.
It is up to the second rider to make a safe pass, which he didn't.
Secondly, it is bad judgement to make a marginal move on your podium placed teammate at any time, nevermind on te last corner of the last lap.
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