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Re: MotoGP 2016.
« Reply #80 on: February 02, 2016, 03:53:21 pm »
Any ideas why Crutchlow seems slightly more off the pace than expected? Electronics maybe?

They are now all running the same electronics supplied by Dorna,  so unlikely to be the issue.

He may well be on last years bike,  or using last years engine.   Due to the fact that they need to sort 2 big changes,  tires and ECU,  some teams are concentrating on one thing at a time.

Edit:  He is running a 2015 spec engine.

Edit again:  He is running a 2015 "Evolution" engine which is a 2015 spec engine slightly detuned to make it a tad calmer.  They are obviously concentrating on testing the new ECU and / or tires.  Or MM93 is hogging all the 2016 engines!   ;)
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Re: MotoGP 2016.
« Reply #81 on: February 02, 2016, 04:02:58 pm »
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Re: MotoGP 2016.
« Reply #82 on: February 02, 2016, 09:43:59 pm »
Any ideas why Crutchlow seems slightly more off the pace than expected? Electronics maybe?

They are now all running the same electronics supplied by Dorna,  so unlikely to be the issue.

He may well be on last years bike,  or using last years engine.   Due to the fact that they need to sort 2 big changes,  tires and ECU,  some teams are concentrating on one thing at a time.

Edit:  He is running a 2015 spec engine.

Edit again:  He is running a 2015 "Evolution" engine which is a 2015 spec engine slightly detuned to make it a tad calmer.  They are obviously concentrating on testing the new ECU and / or tires.  Or MM93 is hogging all the 2016 engines!   ;)
MM and DP are running the new engines, apparently not enough motors built as yet and then being the satellite rider Cal has to do the donkey work that the midget Spaniards won't do .... no more Stoner to do the testing.
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Re: MotoGP 2016.
« Reply #83 on: February 02, 2016, 10:28:43 pm »
Stoner seems to be running the 2015 bike with different areodynamics?

"Although it was initially planned that Stoner would ride for just one day this week, Ducati has confirmed he will be back on track for Wednesday's final day. The #27 is set to continue with the GP15, before making the switch to the new bike"
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Re: MotoGP 2016.
« Reply #84 on: February 03, 2016, 06:48:39 am »
KTM has already had a brief dabble in MotoGP.

Somewhere in 1904 Danie?   I cannot remember.

You are out by 101 years exactly. In 2005 KTM, together with team Roberts, supplied engines to go into Proton KR chassis. The engines were dismal failures. leaving team Roberts with nothing.

Wow!  Yeah, I remember that now.  Completely forgot about that.

I wonder if it is the reason why KTM is so slow and deliberate in coming back into MGP this time round.  They seem to be really doing their homework.



Yes, after the 2005 eye-opener, they really made sure that they come to the track prepared.
 

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Re: MotoGP 2016.
« Reply #85 on: February 03, 2016, 06:54:39 am »
Still such a sad scenario, in our day and age of absolute technology, that the PREMIER class of all racing sees the engines detuned around a common ECU, instead of developing electronics to get the most out of a top design engine.

WTF, look at the last 40 years of motorcycle GP's, and it has almost exclusively been a Yamaha/Honda affair. Before you know it, this sort of ruling will see Vuka's mixing it
in with champions like Yamaha/Honda.
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Re: MotoGP 2016.
« Reply #86 on: February 03, 2016, 09:43:00 am »
Still such a sad scenario, in our day and age of absolute technology, that the PREMIER class of all racing sees the engines detuned around a common ECU, instead of developing electronics to get the most out of a top design engine.

WTF, look at the last 40 years of motorcycle GP's, and it has almost exclusively been a Yamaha/Honda affair. Before you know it, this sort of ruling will see Vuka's mixing it
in with champions like Yamaha/Honda.
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Re: MotoGP 2016.
« Reply #87 on: February 03, 2016, 12:11:16 pm »
Still such a sad scenario, in our day and age of absolute technology, that the PREMIER class of all racing sees the engines detuned around a common ECU, instead of developing electronics to get the most out of a top design engine.
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You seem to be misreading, or misunderstanding.
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Re: MotoGP 2016.
« Reply #88 on: February 03, 2016, 12:27:02 pm »
Rain stopped track time at today's testing.  After 4 hours or so of open track:

1.  Rossi - Y
2.  Lorenzo - Y
3.  Marquez - H
4.  Stoner - D
5.  Ianone - D
6.  Crutchlow - H
7.  Barbera - D
8.  Espargaro - S
9.  Vinales - S
10.  Hernandez - D
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Re: MotoGP 2016.
« Reply #89 on: February 03, 2016, 12:31:21 pm »
So these guys are riding their bikes faster this year than last year - hmm, seems to me they've overcome the so-called obstacles quite easily.

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Re: MotoGP 2016.
« Reply #90 on: February 03, 2016, 12:35:48 pm »
Final times at Sepang. Lorenzo flying and Stoner the fastest Ducati on a 2015-model.

1   99   Jorge Lorenzo   Yamaha M1   1:59.580       
2   46   Valentino Rossi   Yamaha M1   2:00.556   0.976   0.976
3   93   Marc Márquez   Honda RC213V   2:00.883   1.303   0.327
4   35   Cal Crutchlow   Honda RC213V   2:00.992   1.412   0.109
5   27   Casey Stoner   Ducati GP15 Test   2:01.070   1.490   0.078
6   26   Dani Pedrosa   Honda RC213V   2:01.161   1.581   0.091
7   9   Danilo Petrucci   Ducati GP15   2:01.217   1.637   0.056
8   29   Andrea Iannone   Ducati GP16   2:01.223   1.643   0.006
9   45   Scott Redding   Ducati GP15   2:01.229   1.649   0.006
10   25   Maverick Viñales   Suzuki GSX-RR   2:01.244   1.664   0.015
11   8   Hector Barbera   Ducati GP14.2   2:01.434   1.854   0.190
12   41   Aleix Espargaro   Suzuki GSX-RR   2:01.623   2.043   0.189
13   4   Andrea Dovizioso   Ducati GP16   2:01.675   2.095   0.052
14   68   Yonny Hernandez   Ducati GP14.2   2:01.774   2.194   0.099
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Re: MotoGP 2016.
« Reply #91 on: February 03, 2016, 01:17:20 pm »
Still such a sad scenario, in our day and age of absolute technology, that the PREMIER class of all racing sees the engines detuned around a common ECU, instead of developing electronics to get the most out of a top design engine.
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You seem to be misreading, or misunderstanding.

So you're saying that this common ECU is more state of the art than the manufacturers can come up with?
 

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Re: MotoGP 2016.
« Reply #92 on: February 03, 2016, 01:45:21 pm »
Final times at Sepang. Lorenzo flying and Stoner the fastest Ducati on a 2015-model.

1   99   Jorge Lorenzo   Yamaha M1   1:59.580       
2   46   Valentino Rossi   Yamaha M1   2:00.556   0.976   0.976
3   93   Marc Márquez   Honda RC213V   2:00.883   1.303   0.327
4   35   Cal Crutchlow   Honda RC213V   2:00.992   1.412   0.109
5   27   Casey Stoner   Ducati GP15 Test   2:01.070   1.490   0.078
6   26   Dani Pedrosa   Honda RC213V   2:01.161   1.581   0.091
7   9   Danilo Petrucci   Ducati GP15   2:01.217   1.637   0.056
8   29   Andrea Iannone   Ducati GP16   2:01.223   1.643   0.006
9   45   Scott Redding   Ducati GP15   2:01.229   1.649   0.006
10   25   Maverick Viñales   Suzuki GSX-RR   2:01.244   1.664   0.015
11   8   Hector Barbera   Ducati GP14.2   2:01.434   1.854   0.190
12   41   Aleix Espargaro   Suzuki GSX-RR   2:01.623   2.043   0.189
13   4   Andrea Dovizioso   Ducati GP16   2:01.675   2.095   0.052
14   68   Yonny Hernandez   Ducati GP14.2   2:01.774   2.194   0.099

Crutchlow did a bit better.
Rossi consistently almost a second down on JL99.
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Re: MotoGP 2016.
« Reply #93 on: February 03, 2016, 03:12:01 pm »
Still such a sad scenario, in our day and age of absolute technology, that the PREMIER class of all racing sees the engines detuned around a common ECU, instead of developing electronics to get the most out of a top design engine.
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You seem to be misreading, or misunderstanding.


So you're saying that this common ECU is more state of the art than the manufacturers can come up with?


No.  Not at all.  You referred to engines being detuned to work with the new ECU, which is not the case.
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Re: MotoGP 2016.
« Reply #94 on: February 03, 2016, 03:14:06 pm »
So these guys are riding their bikes faster this year than last year - hmm, seems to me they've overcome the so-called obstacles quite easily.


The top riders have said, from since the first tests, that they believe they will be as fast, or faster in 2016.  The problem they foresee is consistency lap after lap as the new ECU does not solve mistakes as easily, nor quickly.   
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Re: MotoGP 2016.
« Reply #95 on: February 03, 2016, 03:24:13 pm »
Ek's n bietjie agter die klip, so Stoner ry vir Ducati die jaar?
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Re: MotoGP 2016.
« Reply #96 on: February 03, 2016, 03:36:57 pm »
Ek's n bietjie agter die klip, so Stoner ry vir Ducati die jaar?

Nee.  Hy is hulle "Brand Ambassador" en een van die twee toetsjaers.  Hy gaan nie aan MotoGP deelneem nie.  Ek voorsien dat hy wel as "wildcard" aan een of twee renne sal deelneem.  Waarskynlik sy tuisren, Australia en dan nog een daar naby, soos Japan.
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Re: MotoGP 2016.
« Reply #97 on: February 03, 2016, 04:03:35 pm »
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Re: MotoGP 2016.
« Reply #98 on: February 03, 2016, 04:07:09 pm »
Final times at Sepang. Lorenzo flying and Stoner the fastest Ducati on a 2015-model.

1   99   Jorge Lorenzo   Yamaha M1   1:59.580       
2   46   Valentino Rossi   Yamaha M1   2:00.556   0.976   0.976
3   93   Marc Márquez   Honda RC213V   2:00.883   1.303   0.327
4   35   Cal Crutchlow   Honda RC213V   2:00.992   1.412   0.109
5   27   Casey Stoner   Ducati GP15 Test   2:01.070   1.490   0.078
6   26   Dani Pedrosa   Honda RC213V   2:01.161   1.581   0.091
7   9   Danilo Petrucci   Ducati GP15   2:01.217   1.637   0.056
8   29   Andrea Iannone   Ducati GP16   2:01.223   1.643   0.006
9   45   Scott Redding   Ducati GP15   2:01.229   1.649   0.006
10   25   Maverick Viñales   Suzuki GSX-RR   2:01.244   1.664   0.015
11   8   Hector Barbera   Ducati GP14.2   2:01.434   1.854   0.190
12   41   Aleix Espargaro   Suzuki GSX-RR   2:01.623   2.043   0.189
13   4   Andrea Dovizioso   Ducati GP16   2:01.675   2.095   0.052
14   68   Yonny Hernandez   Ducati GP14.2   2:01.774   2.194   0.099

Crutchlow did a bit better.
Rossi consistently almost a second down on JL99.

J Lo is going to be unstoppable this year, Rossi says he (JL) is the best out of everyone on the hard tyres
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Re: MotoGP 2016.
« Reply #99 on: February 03, 2016, 04:16:52 pm »
So these guys are riding their bikes faster this year than last year - hmm, seems to me they've overcome the so-called obstacles quite easily.


The top riders have said, from since the first tests, that they believe they will be as fast, or faster in 2016.  The problem they foresee is consistency lap after lap as the new ECU does not solve mistakes as easily, nor quickly.   

This lack of "solving mistakes" is what Yamaha and Honda would be able to do themselves.