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Re: MotoGP 2016.
« Reply #700 on: November 15, 2016, 04:57:34 pm »
sou graag vir Vinales nog in jr op die Suzuki wou sien

Ek het presies dieseelfde ding sondag gedink. Hy ken nou die fiets en dit wil lyk asof die Suzuki kan byhou.
Yamaha sal moet plan maak. Die Ducati's hol darem net te maklik op die straits vir hulle weg. Die dat Jorge nou volgende jaar n Ducati ry kan dinge moeilik maak.
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Re: MotoGP 2016.
« Reply #701 on: November 19, 2016, 10:41:16 am »
Tydens die twee dae privaat toetssessie op Valencia was Vinales die vinnigste op die 2017 Yamaha.  Die groot kannonne soos MM93, JL99, DP26 en VR46 gaan hulle hande vol hę met hom en die Yamaha volgende jaar.  Ianone lyk ook sommer dadelik gevaarlik op die 2017 Suzuki en ons moenie vergeet nie,.  die vlerkies waai volgende jaar en dan sukkel die Ducati met hantering.  Hulle was die enigste span wat die week nog met vlerkies aan getoets het.  JL99 was derde vinnigste, maar soos ek sę, dit was met vlerkies.
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Re: MotoGP 2016.
« Reply #702 on: November 21, 2016, 09:14:57 pm »
sou graag vir Vinales nog in jr op die Suzuki wou sien

Ek het presies dieseelfde ding sondag gedink. Hy ken nou die fiets en dit wil lyk asof die Suzuki kan byhou.
Yamaha sal moet plan maak. Die Ducati's hol darem net te maklik op die straits vir hulle weg. Die dat Jorge nou volgende jaar n Ducati ry kan dinge moeilik maak.

In my opinie is dit juis die feit dat die Ducati's almal weghol op die straight dat hulle nie kan wen nie. Yamaha kan meer perde kry en beter topspoed, maar onthou daardie topspoed moet weer afgegooi word om te draai wat die fiets net "unsettle" vir die draai.
 

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Re: MotoGP 2016.
« Reply #703 on: November 22, 2016, 06:27:50 am »
sou graag vir Vinales nog in jr op die Suzuki wou sien

Ek het presies dieseelfde ding sondag gedink. Hy ken nou die fiets en dit wil lyk asof die Suzuki kan byhou.
Yamaha sal moet plan maak. Die Ducati's hol darem net te maklik op die straits vir hulle weg. Die dat Jorge nou volgende jaar n Ducati ry kan dinge moeilik maak.

In my opinie is dit juis die feit dat die Ducati's almal weghol op die straight dat hulle nie kan wen nie. Yamaha kan meer perde kry en beter topspoed, maar onthou daardie topspoed moet weer afgegooi word om te draai wat die fiets net "unsettle" vir die draai.

Yamaha sukkel hulle gatte af om meer perde te kry.  Hulle slaag nie op die oomblik daarin nie, maar jy is reg in 'n mate.  Honda het daai perde gekry, maar kan dit nie beheer nie, so dit skep weer ander probleme.  Ek dink Yamaha sou graag ook 'n "te veel krag" probleem wou hę en dan werk om dit te beheer.

Die goed het in elk geval almal te veel perde.  Ek hoor hulle launch control laat hulle teen so 60% krag wegtrek.
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« Reply #704 on: November 24, 2016, 12:05:15 pm »
Some interesting testing times from Jerez.

Superbikes in among the MotoGP bikes.

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Re: MotoGP 2016.
« Reply #705 on: November 24, 2016, 12:58:18 pm »
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Some interesting testing times from Jerez.

Superbikes in among the MotoGP bikes.



Very interesting indeed, I thought the MotoGP bikes were MUCH quicker than SBK. They're certainly MUUUUUCH more expensive!!
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« Reply #706 on: November 24, 2016, 02:06:14 pm »
I agree, that is very surprising.
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Re: MotoGP 2016.
« Reply #707 on: November 25, 2016, 03:22:56 pm »
Some interesting testing times from Jerez.

Superbikes in among the MotoGP bikes.

Yesterday Rea was fastest with a time quicker than Rossi's pole time for the race this year! And Davies was a close third, Sykes in fifth.

I bet even Davies' Panigale is faster than the factory Honda and Yamaha down the straights  :pot: 
 

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« Reply #708 on: November 25, 2016, 03:49:19 pm »
Some interesting testing times from Jerez.

Superbikes in among the MotoGP bikes.

Yesterday Rea was fastest with a time quicker than Rossi's pole time for the race this year! And Davies was a close third, Sykes in fifth.

I bet even Davies' Panigale is faster than the factory Honda and Yamaha down the straights  :pot: 

Fokkit boys...if that is a fact  :laughing4:, who is bulshitting who then...what's the point of having these 2 categories then???... :patch:...then Dorna can just through them all together on superbikes?...so much so for the development stories that goes along with MotoGP...the flippen SBK category does more...with sooo much less!!!  :pot:

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Re: MotoGP 2016.
« Reply #709 on: November 25, 2016, 08:46:00 pm »
Still a huge difference between GP en Superbikes.

The GP bikes were on tires that does not work in cold conditions. They could not get the tires to warm up. The Superbikes were on sticky tires that are available to the public and which work well in the cold.

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Re: MotoGP 2016.
« Reply #710 on: November 28, 2016, 06:54:49 am »
Some interesting testing times from Jerez.

Superbikes in among the MotoGP bikes.

Yesterday Rea was fastest with a time quicker than Rossi's pole time for the race this year! And Davies was a close third, Sykes in fifth.

I bet even Davies' Panigale is faster than the factory Honda and Yamaha down the straights  :pot: 

Fokkit boys...if that is a fact  :laughing4:, who is bulshitting who then...what's the point of having these 2 categories then???... :patch:...then Dorna can just through them all together on superbikes?...so much so for the development stories that goes along with MotoGP...the flippen SBK category does more...with sooo much less!!!  :pot:

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Tires were already mentioned.   They had to impact.   Track temperatures will also impact.  If we look at the MGP bikes (third team bikes, for the lack of a better description as none of the factory -, or satellite teams were there) testing on the same day, they were also very close to the Rossi-pole metioned.  On that race weekend when Rossi set that pole, these "third team" MGP bikes were nowhere near that pole time. 

In my opinion neither tires, nor track temperatures should make a big enough difference to get a WSBK bike within some seconds off a MGP bike.  The issue here is (again purely my opinion) is that WSBK bikes are now, for all intents and purposes, purpose build prototype race bikes, just like MGP bikes.  The WSBK bikes should be forced back to a closer resemblance of an actual superbike..   They don't have standard suspensions, swingarms, brakes, frames, air intakes, fuel tanks, etc.   In fact, the only connection with the original superbike it was based on is the logo on the tank.  In fact it seems that the top WSBK bikes are now closer to MGP bikes than Superstock 1000 bikes are to them.

 
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« Reply #711 on: November 28, 2016, 12:05:48 pm »
Thanks Bear...very interesting indeed!  ;D
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Re: MotoGP 2016.
« Reply #712 on: November 28, 2016, 03:46:34 pm »
Maybe the WSBK riders are better than the MotoGP riders  :peepwall:
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Re: MotoGP 2016.
« Reply #713 on: November 29, 2016, 09:01:34 am »
Maybe the WSBK riders are better than the MotoGP riders  :peepwall:

 >:D
SBK has always been the retirement formula for GP riders who were over the hill, yet they performed remarkably well in SBK. Checa, Biaggi, Hayden, etc.This makes those times all the more astonishing, because the level of SBK riders is nowhere near MotoGP standards. Put Marques on the ZX10 and he will probably win every SBK race by half a minute.

The majority of SBK world champions who went on to MotoGP at the peak of their careers were midfielders at best.
 

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Re: MotoGP 2016.
« Reply #714 on: November 29, 2016, 09:20:02 am »
Maybe the WSBK riders are better than the MotoGP riders  :peepwall:

 >:D
SBK has always been the retirement formula for GP riders who were over the hill, yet they performed remarkably well in SBK. Checa, Biaggi, Hayden, etc.This makes those times all the more astonishing, because the level of SBK riders is nowhere near MotoGP standards. Put Marques on the ZX10 and he will probably win every SBK race by half a minute.

The majority of SBK world champions who went on to MotoGP at the peak of their careers were midfielders at best.
Really, like whom, Ben Spies and Colin Edwards and Troy Ballis they made it in MotoGP
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Re: MotoGP 2016.
« Reply #715 on: November 29, 2016, 09:25:58 am »
There is also a difference between outright speed over one lap and pace over race distance. Those sbk bikes would be nowhere after two or three laps into the race.

The moto gp races are typically 10 to 12 minutes longer (which can be 6 to 9 laps depending on the track) than sbk races. Therefore in moto gp you are optimising the bike to achieve pace but also tyre life and engine life.
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Re: MotoGP 2016.
« Reply #716 on: November 29, 2016, 03:25:31 pm »
Maybe the WSBK riders are better than the MotoGP riders  :peepwall:

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SBK has always been the retirement formula for GP riders who were over the hill, yet they performed remarkably well in SBK. Checa, Biaggi, Hayden, etc.This makes those times all the more astonishing, because the level of SBK riders is nowhere near MotoGP standards. Put Marques on the ZX10 and he will probably win every SBK race by half a minute.

The majority of SBK world champions who went on to MotoGP at the peak of their careers were midfielders at best.
Really, like whom, Ben Spies and Colin Edwards and Troy Ballis they made it in MotoGP

Well, those 3 were probably the best to go across at the top of their game, and they managed a 4th, 5th, and 6th in the championship as their best achievements in MotoGP.

In contrast Checa, Biaggi and Guintoli all won SBK championships in their retirement.

I rest my case.
 

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« Reply #717 on: November 29, 2016, 03:29:23 pm »
Maybe the WSBK riders are better than the MotoGP riders  :peepwall:

 >:D
SBK has always been the retirement formula for GP riders who were over the hill, yet they performed remarkably well in SBK. Checa, Biaggi, Hayden, etc.This makes those times all the more astonishing, because the level of SBK riders is nowhere near MotoGP standards. Put Marques on the ZX10 and he will probably win every SBK race by half a minute.

The majority of SBK world champions who went on to MotoGP at the peak of their careers were midfielders at best.
Really, like whom, Ben Spies and Colin Edwards and Troy Ballis they made it in MotoGP

Well, those 3 were probably the best to go across at the top of their game, and they managed a 4th, 5th, and 6th in the championship as their best achievements in MotoGP.

In contrast Checa, Biaggi and Guintoli all won SBK championships in their retirement.

I rest my case.

Nicky Hayden won a championship in MotoGp but he is not setting Sbk on fire  :pot:
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Re: MotoGP 2016.
« Reply #718 on: November 29, 2016, 04:01:10 pm »
My bad, WSBK riders are the very best in the whole wide world!  :lol8:
 

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« Reply #719 on: November 30, 2016, 08:21:49 am »
I have feeling Rea would be right up there if he was on a factory MGP bike
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