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Offline Fuzzy Muzzy

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Re: Honda Africa Twin launch
« Reply #80 on: December 02, 2015, 10:55:29 am »
Is it possible to have all we expected of the new AT in a 180kg package? Powerful motor, proper wind protection, big brakes, abs and all the rest of the electronics, comfortable seat, pillion accommodations, proper subframe etc? If it was possible to make a bike like that I'm sure they would. But then again, the old AT set the bar pretty high! Maybe long term reliability and rideability was the bigger focus.

no you are quite right.. just reading about the launch shows you that there were experts in every field there explaining the development of every part of this bike and justifying every kg on that bike.

When HRC said hello in Dakar everyone sat up and said.. 'ooh , here is something coming' as those rallye bikes looked like they had been given the treatment.. speculation ran rife over a release of a good bike The return of the icon Africa Twin has been probably the most anticipated bike reveal in years, as a potential buyer I have poured over every stat released and so far I think its very impressive.

But to expect 40kg to be shaved off the bike  ::) all I can tell you is that if the bike was 40kg lighter, instead of 10 riders complaining about the weight, there would be 100  complaining about all the other things the bike would have had to give up to achieve that weight.. that power delivery needs bigger frames etc

To put this Africa twins weight into perspective.. my Transalp is a 700cc and dry weight is 214kg, so how people think that this 1000cc is heavy is just beyond me. Compared to my current bike its power to weight ratio is a massive improvement.

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Re: Honda Africa Twin launch
« Reply #81 on: December 02, 2015, 02:58:00 pm »
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Re: Honda Africa Twin launch
« Reply #82 on: December 02, 2015, 07:11:29 pm »
So I'm having a good look at the picture on the front page of this thread when my wife walks in, so I twist the monitor and show her the new bike I have my eye on. Hint Hint

She says " oooh that's a really beautiful........road to ride your existing Transalp on!"


I may have to kill her  :biggrin:
 

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Re: Honda Africa Twin launch
« Reply #83 on: December 03, 2015, 12:00:49 am »
Is it possible to have all we expected of the new AT in a 180kg package? Powerful motor, proper wind protection, big brakes, abs and all the rest of the electronics, comfortable seat, pillion accommodations, proper subframe etc? If it was possible to make a bike like that I'm sure they would. But then again, the old AT set the bar pretty high! Maybe long term reliability and rideability was the bigger focus.

no you are quite right.. just reading about the launch shows you that there were experts in every field there explaining the development of every part of this bike and justifying every kg on that bike.

When HRC said hello in Dakar everyone sat up and said.. 'ooh , here is something coming' as those rallye bikes looked like they had been given the treatment.. speculation ran rife over a release of a good bike The return of the icon Africa Twin has been probably the most anticipated bike reveal in years, as a potential buyer I have poured over every stat released and so far I think its very impressive.

But to expect 40kg to be shaved off the bike  ::) all I can tell you is that if the bike was 40kg lighter, instead of 10 riders complaining about the weight, there would be 100  complaining about all the other things the bike would have had to give up to achieve that weight.. that power delivery needs bigger frames etc

To put this Africa twins weight into perspective.. my Transalp is a 700cc and dry weight is 214kg, so how people think that this 1000cc is heavy is just beyond me. Compared to my current bike its power to weight ratio is a massive improvement.



Agreed, you want to feel some weight ....? ... take my Varadero for a ride.

World of difference whilst both being 1000cc ...
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Re: Honda Africa Twin launch
« Reply #84 on: December 03, 2015, 11:18:33 am »
As hy hoog genoeg is gaan ek hom oorweeg...
 

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Re: Honda Africa Twin launch
« Reply #85 on: December 03, 2015, 11:35:05 am »
So I'm having a good look at the picture on the front page of this thread when my wife walks in, so I twist the monitor and show her the new bike I have my eye on. Hint Hint

She says " oooh that's a really beautiful........road to ride your existing Transalp on!"


I may have to kill her  :biggrin:

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Re: Honda Africa Twin launch
« Reply #86 on: December 03, 2015, 02:32:06 pm »
As hy hoog genoeg is gaan ek hom oorweeg...

Laat my weet voor jy die HP2 laat gaan asb.
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Re: Honda Africa Twin launch
« Reply #87 on: December 04, 2015, 12:56:23 pm »
As soon as my house is sold, the new AT will be next to my old one! Can't wait for the new AT!
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Re: Honda Africa Twin launch
« Reply #88 on: December 04, 2015, 03:15:11 pm »
As hy hoog genoeg is gaan ek hom oorweeg...

Laat my weet voor jy die HP2 laat gaan asb.

Sal so maak....my tweede een die. Hy is nog so netjies ek gebruik hom nou glad nie waarvoor hy gebou is. Ek ry net YZ deesdae! Hp staan onder 'n laken - somtyds selfs in die sitkamer.... ;)
 

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Re: Honda Africa Twin launch
« Reply #89 on: December 04, 2015, 03:20:13 pm »
So I'm having a good look at the picture on the front page of this thread when my wife walks in, so I twist the monitor and show her the new bike I have my eye on. Hint Hint

She says " oooh that's a really beautiful........road to ride your existing Transalp on!"


I may have to kill her  :biggrin:

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Re: Honda Africa Twin launch
« Reply #90 on: December 04, 2015, 04:17:20 pm »
Ya Subie, it's what happen when you marry above your IQ range !  :biggrin:


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Re: Honda Africa Twin launch
« Reply #91 on: December 05, 2015, 08:32:13 am »
So I'm having a good look at the picture on the front page of this thread when my wife walks in, so I twist the monitor and show her the new bike I have my eye on. Hint Hint

She says " oooh that's a really beautiful........road to ride your existing Transalp on!"


I may have to kill her  :biggrin:

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Believe me - I can relate to this - but I do not even show the pic, I quickly shift to my emails ...  :'(
 

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Re: Honda Africa Twin launch
« Reply #92 on: December 05, 2015, 08:39:45 pm »
Great looking bike & most certainly exceptionally capable!! This is a little comparison I made:

*2004 BMW R1150GS (1130cc)                                      * 2015 Honda AfricaTwin 1000
*228kg dry weight (249kg wet weight)                            * 228-242kg dry weigh depending on which of 3 models you look at
*62.5kw                                                                         * 70kw
*98Nm                                                                           * 98Nm

Although there is a 150cc diference in engine size & 11yrs between the Honda & Beemer, I would've liked to see a bit more power from the Honda with today's technology.
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Re: Honda Africa Twin launch
« Reply #93 on: December 05, 2015, 10:01:40 pm »
Great looking bike & most certainly exceptionally capable!! This is a little comparison I made:

*2004 BMW R1150GS                                      * 2015 Honda AfricaTwin 1000
*228kg dry weight (249kg wet weight)             * 228-242kg dry weigh depending on which of 3 models you look at
*62.5kw                                                           * 70kw
*98Nm                                                             * 98Nm

Although there is a 150cc diference in engine size & 11yrs between the Honda & Beemer, I would've liked to see a bit more power from the Honda with today's technology.

I thought the africa Twin was much lighter,are those not wet weights on the AT.
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Re: Honda Africa Twin launch
« Reply #94 on: December 05, 2015, 10:30:26 pm »
Great looking bike & most certainly exceptionally capable!! This is a little comparison I made:

*2004 BMW R1150GS                                      * 2015 Honda AfricaTwin 1000
*228kg dry weight (249kg wet weight)             * 228-242kg dry weigh depending on which of 3 models you look at
*62.5kw                                                           * 70kw
*98Nm                                                             * 98Nm

Although there is a 150cc diference in engine size & 11yrs between the Honda & Beemer, I would've liked to see a bit more power from the Honda with today's technology.

I thought the africa Twin was much lighter,are those not wet weights on the AT.

Yes, those are wet weights.


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Re: Honda Africa Twin launch
« Reply #95 on: December 06, 2015, 05:58:35 am »
Great looking bike & most certainly exceptionally capable!! This is a little comparison I made:

*2004 BMW R1150GS                                      * 2015 Honda AfricaTwin 1000
*228kg dry weight (249kg wet weight)             * 228-242kg dry weigh depending on which of 3 models you look at
*62.5kw                                                           * 70kw
*98Nm                                                             * 98Nm

Although there is a 150cc diference in engine size & 11yrs between the Honda & Beemer, I would've liked to see a bit more power from the Honda with today's technology.
And the suspension specifications?


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Re: Honda Africa Twin launch
« Reply #96 on: December 06, 2015, 06:59:12 am »
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R1150GS              New AfricaTwin
*front-210mm     *front-230mm
*rear-220mm      *rear-220mm
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Re: Honda Africa Twin launch
« Reply #97 on: December 06, 2015, 08:34:43 am »
Great looking bike & most certainly exceptionally capable!! This is a little comparison I made:

*2004 BMW R1150GS (1130cc)                                      * 2015 Honda AfricaTwin 1000
*228kg dry weight (249kg wet weight)                            * 228-242kg dry weigh depending on which of 3 models you look at
*62.5kw                                                                         * 70kw
*98Nm                                                                           * 98Nm

Although there is a 150cc diference in engine size & 11yrs between the Honda & Beemer, I would've liked to see a bit more power from the Honda with today's technology.



So, cutting through all the hype and BS not such a heluva lot of difference. Not enough to justify an extra hundred grand, or whatever the price difference is between a new bike and my old piggy.

In fact, IMO my oldie is actually worth more, not being encumbered with all that shite technology.

Now I can ride with a whole fresh new attitude, knowing that I'm not so outclassed after all.  :thumleft:
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Re: Honda Africa Twin launch
« Reply #98 on: December 06, 2015, 09:49:22 am »
The specsheet probably does not tell the whole story....but I have to admit, the new AT is far from what we expected.
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Re: Honda Africa Twin launch
« Reply #99 on: December 06, 2015, 01:41:29 pm »
Honda At R155 000 - R182 000 aprox
BMW F800GS Adv - R158 000 aprox
BMW R1200GS LC - R199 000 aprox
KTM 1190 Adv R - R190 000 aprox
Triumph Explorer 1200 - R165 000 aprox
Triumph Tiger 800 - R130 000 - R148 000 aprox
Yamaha Super Tenéré 1200 - R168 000 aprox

There are a lot more bikes out there that gives your more bike in the same price range.
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