Offroad & Adventure SA discontinued

[Regis Laconi]

Bike SA is the worst "Motorcycle Magazine" in South Africa.  I'll rather buy a Huisgenoot or Sarie before I buy that there crap.

[Mr Zog]

I remember as a laaitie (14 - 15 year-old) in the early 80's buying and reading the bark-essay and perving over the latest models, fantasising about riding them.

And PISSING myself laughing at the exploits of the very sexy "Tina Tailpipe"       

[jaybiker]

The WD forum is my magazine 

Copy that.

Those few copies of Bike SA that I have bought always turned out to be poor value imo.
Sure, there are some interesting articles and stuff from regular contributors, but even though I fully understand the importance of the advertising content, there is so much other 'bumph' that as far as I can see is just there to pad the pages, that the proportion of genuinely interesting stuff is thin indeed.
In fact, even if I buy the mag, it takes me less than an hour to read it cover to cover, and then it becomes useless clutter until I eventually toss it out.
Just like many others I'm sure, I just browse it on the shelf and get all I need from it in the space of 5 minutes or so.

I do appreciate that Simon Fourie and his team are genuinely trying to produce something worthwhile, and I'm glad that there are a great many who find it so.

But not me. Sorry, Simon.

[corne.l]

Ek kan nie verstaan hoekom BikeSA soveel volgelinge het nie.

Jy maak seker net 'n grappie.

Weet jy hoeveel baaikers is in die tappit traai-angle? En in die vuil-driehoek?

Ek weet, dis my valley daai!

Nou praat jy ... hier is 'n Bike club om elke hoek en draai!

[1ougat]

Ja, Bark essay

Also very funny years ago when they had the piece in front on phoning hours, and looking on the calendar and on your watch and so on......

An dont phone on that day ... and the lady will answer Bark Essay 

[Serfie]

The WD forum is my magazine 

Copy that.

Those few copies of Bike SA that I have bought always turned out to be poor value imo.
Sure, there are some interesting articles and stuff from regular contributors, but even though I fully understand the importance of the advertising content, there is so much other 'bumph' that as far as I can see is just there to pad the pages, that the proportion of genuinely interesting stuff is thin indeed.
In fact, even if I buy the mag, it takes me less than an hour to read it cover to cover, and then it becomes useless clutter until I eventually toss it out.
Just like many others I'm sure, I just browse it on the shelf and get all I need from it in the space of 5 minutes or so.

I do appreciate that Simon Fourie and his team are genuinely trying to produce something worthwhile, and I'm glad that there are a great many who find it so.

But not me. Sorry, Simon.

 


    

For sure... Bike SA could do with a graphic designer...one almost feels 'lost'  trying to read the magazine. And drop the endless boring pages of photos of participants at Rally's. The layout of the pages and content urgently need the touch of someone with skills...look at the layout/page design in the WEG magazine and learn!

[2-Stroke]

The WD forum is my magazine 

Copy that.

Those few copies of Bike SA that I have bought always turned out to be poor value imo.
Sure, there are some interesting articles and stuff from regular contributors, but even though I fully understand the importance of the advertising content, there is so much other 'bumph' that as far as I can see is just there to pad the pages, that the proportion of genuinely interesting stuff is thin indeed.
In fact, even if I buy the mag, it takes me less than an hour to read it cover to cover, and then it becomes useless clutter until I eventually toss it out.
Just like many others I'm sure, I just browse it on the shelf and get all I need from it in the space of 5 minutes or so.

I do appreciate that Simon Fourie and his team are genuinely trying to produce something worthwhile, and I'm glad that there are a great many who find it so.

But not me. Sorry, Simon.

 


    

For sure... Bike SA could do with a graphic designer...one almost feels 'lost'  trying to read the magazine. And drop the endless boring pages of photos of participants at Rally's. The layout of the pages and content urgently need the touch of someone with skills...look at the layout/page design in the WEG magazine and learn!

Incidentally, Bike SA has been concentrating more on the social aspects of motorcycling, like participants at rallies. In the third quarter results of ABC (Audited Bureau of Circulation, the body that governs all publications' circulation figures), Superbike and Offroad & Adventure SA stayed pretty much the same, which is good considering that, generally, circulation of magazines is dropping.

Bike SA's circulation grew by 15%.

So, should we abandon what is clearly showing good results?

I'm not entirely sure how the layout makes you feel lost. It really isn't that hard to follow. Little kids reading comic books follow far more intricate layouts. People (much more than the motorcycle mags with "proper" layout) have been happily reading it for 41 years. I'm sure you can too.

Oh dear. Have I just been sucked into a pointless forum argument? Damn!

Haven't we been here before, where keyboard warriors slag off Bike SA, and I have to give long factual explanations that completely negate their ignorant (and usually thoughtless) point of view?

Why yes, we have.

If you want answers to any of these complaints, please search "Bike SA" on this forum and they are all there. And when you say anything, please keep in mind that we have heard it all before over our 41 year lifespan, and there is a very logical, well thought out reason we haven't listened.

[Kaboef]

Bike SA's circulation grew by 15%.

So did Kurt Darren CD sales.

But that does not make him a talented artist.


Never confuse quantity with quality.


There is a place in the sun for everything. I'm not dissing your magazine, just stating my experience.
 

[2-Stroke]

Bike SA's circulation grew by 15%.

So did Kurt Darren CD sales.

But that does not make him a talented artist.


Never confuse quantity with quality.


There is a place in the sun for everything. I'm not dissing your magazine, just stating my experience.
 

Stop being lazy. Search the forum and see that all this had been said before, and answered, with LSM statistics and demographics and again negate your argument completely.

[igno]

The WD forum is my magazine 

Copy that.

Those few copies of Bike SA that I have bought always turned out to be poor value imo.
Sure, there are some interesting articles and stuff from regular contributors, but even though I fully understand the importance of the advertising content, there is so much other 'bumph' that as far as I can see is just there to pad the pages, that the proportion of genuinely interesting stuff is thin indeed.
In fact, even if I buy the mag, it takes me less than an hour to read it cover to cover, and then it becomes useless clutter until I eventually toss it out.
Just like many others I'm sure, I just browse it on the shelf and get all I need from it in the space of 5 minutes or so.

I do appreciate that Simon Fourie and his team are genuinely trying to produce something worthwhile, and I'm glad that there are a great many who find it so.

But not me. Sorry, Simon.

 


    

For sure... Bike SA could do with a graphic designer...one almost feels 'lost'  trying to read the magazine. And drop the endless boring pages of photos of participants at Rally's. The layout of the pages and content urgently need the touch of someone with skills...look at the layout/page design in the WEG magazine and learn!

Incidentally, Bike SA has been concentrating more on the social aspects of motorcycling, like participants at rallies. In the third quarter results of ABC (Audited Bureau of Circulation, the body that governs all publications' circulation figures), Superbike and Offroad & Adventure SA stayed pretty much the same, which is good considering that, generally, circulation of magazines is dropping.

Bike SA's circulation grew by 15%.

So, should we abandon what is clearly showing good results?

I'm not entirely sure how the layout makes you feel lost. It really isn't that hard to follow. Little kids reading comic books follow far more intricate layouts. People (much more than the motorcycle mags with "proper" layout) have been happily reading it for 41 years. I'm sure you can too.

Oh dear. Have I just been sucked into a pointless forum argument? Damn!

Haven't we been here before, where keyboard warriors slag off Bike SA, and I have to give long factual explanations that completely negate their ignorant (and usually thoughtless) point of view?

Why yes, we have.

If you want answers to any of these complaints, please search "Bike SA" on this forum and they are all there. And when you say anything, please keep in mind that we have heard it all before over our 41 year lifespan, and there is a very logical, well thought out reason we haven't listened.

What an arrogant and crappy answer.   

Maybe the fact that you haven't listened is exactly the reason why I will not buy one again.

[punisher]

hey  2 stroke

i am gonna add my 2c about bark esayy 

i have noticed that on occasion , your articles do not have an ending , i find myself turning the next few pages hoping to find one

and sometimes the captions for the pictures seem mixed up


and , i would rather have the cover denoting a relevant article inside that particular issue 

[Geel Kat]

Subscribe...

No, not to the magazine.

[2-Stroke]

The WD forum is my magazine 

Copy that.

Those few copies of Bike SA that I have bought always turned out to be poor value imo.
Sure, there are some interesting articles and stuff from regular contributors, but even though I fully understand the importance of the advertising content, there is so much other 'bumph' that as far as I can see is just there to pad the pages, that the proportion of genuinely interesting stuff is thin indeed.
In fact, even if I buy the mag, it takes me less than an hour to read it cover to cover, and then it becomes useless clutter until I eventually toss it out.
Just like many others I'm sure, I just browse it on the shelf and get all I need from it in the space of 5 minutes or so.

I do appreciate that Simon Fourie and his team are genuinely trying to produce something worthwhile, and I'm glad that there are a great many who find it so.

But not me. Sorry, Simon.

 


    

For sure... Bike SA could do with a graphic designer...one almost feels 'lost'  trying to read the magazine. And drop the endless boring pages of photos of participants at Rally's. The layout of the pages and content urgently need the touch of someone with skills...look at the layout/page design in the WEG magazine and learn!

Incidentally, Bike SA has been concentrating more on the social aspects of motorcycling, like participants at rallies. In the third quarter results of ABC (Audited Bureau of Circulation, the body that governs all publications' circulation figures), Superbike and Offroad & Adventure SA stayed pretty much the same, which is good considering that, generally, circulation of magazines is dropping.

Bike SA's circulation grew by 15%.

So, should we abandon what is clearly showing good results?

I'm not entirely sure how the layout makes you feel lost. It really isn't that hard to follow. Little kids reading comic books follow far more intricate layouts. People (much more than the motorcycle mags with "proper" layout) have been happily reading it for 41 years. I'm sure you can too.

Oh dear. Have I just been sucked into a pointless forum argument? Damn!

Haven't we been here before, where keyboard warriors slag off Bike SA, and I have to give long factual explanations that completely negate their ignorant (and usually thoughtless) point of view?

Why yes, we have.

If you want answers to any of these complaints, please search "Bike SA" on this forum and they are all there. And when you say anything, please keep in mind that we have heard it all before over our 41 year lifespan, and there is a very logical, well thought out reason we haven't listened.

What an arrogant and crappy answer.   

Maybe the fact that you haven't listened is exactly the reason why I will not buy one again.

Maybe not you, but thousands and thousands of other readers will. Keep that in mind.

Also note the double standards here – anonymous people slag off the business that we work very hard at, that we put our hearts and souls into, and we are expected to be polite? How would they feel if we said the same about their work?

[Bill the Bong]

Can you print the letters a little larger?  My only complaint, but I'm sort-of easy...

[2-Stroke]

Can you print the letters a little larger?  My only complaint, but I'm sort-of easy...

No problem. Do you really have a Cagiva Elefant? 

[ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS]

2-stroke I do not buy BikeSA but did the Offroad and also advertized in it. Sad it's no more.

On a sidenote I do watch the TV program and I know you can do better sir.
The last one I know ALL of the Tigers but just about nothing about the Truimph Tiger you tested
Yes I know you wanted to save the tiger sanctuary.

[2-Stroke]

2-stroke I do not buy BikeSA but did the Offroad and also advertized in it. Sad it's no more.

On a sidenote I do watch the TV program and I know you can do better sir.
The last one I know ALL of the Tigers but just about nothing about the Truimph Tiger you tested
Yes I know you wanted to save the tiger sanctuary.

But we've done the Triumph Tiger to death already. Harry did a long piece on it at the beginning of the year, and it was featured again in BOTY.

Tigers (the stripy, furry ones) we've done nothing on. And they will rip your throat out. Or give you a kiss.

And it wasn't really a test, but you do now know that a Tiger is better than a tiger. This is valuable consumer journalism at its best! 

[Dirty Des]

Me, I buy Bike SA every month as well as Adventure & Outdoor, (don't bother with subscribing cause the Post Office is a stuff up)

So hopefully Baark SA will have a few more pages for the gravel travellers...

Who gives a damn if the article kind of runs out of space and just disappears, and if the picture on the front doesn't have a story inside, by not conforming, mis-spelling and printing the wrong captions under photos has kept the magazine going for 41 years, appeals to all sorts of  characters in the biking world and keeps most people happy most of the time, that in itself take some doing.

Besides, you cant read a computer in the bath and that's where I read Bike SA.

The back page of events is always my first point of reference.

[Bill the Bong]

Can you print the letters a little larger?  My only complaint, but I'm sort-of easy...

No problem. Do you really have a Cagiva Elefant? 

Only the tank and plastics (sentimental).  Engine was stolen when it went in for a crank bearing.  C'est la vie.  But it gave me a taste for rallye bikes that pretty much ruined me.

[Phacochoerus]

Some times it feels reading a cheap comic. Leans towards a social side of Bikers, Not a magazine for Motorcyclists. I will buy for Mike Scott's contribution and get my money's worth from Cycle World