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Re: BRAD BINDER: 2016 Moto3 - It is time #41 Bradical!
« Reply #100 on: April 28, 2016, 04:00:49 pm »
An awsome display of talent and high time for Saffers to showcase our talent on the world stage.......... :thumleft: Hopefully this can open the door for more of our youngsters in future and serve as inspiration for those to come...

GO BRAD :thumleft:

We don't have anyone in the Rookies Cup (MotoGP development - all ride identical Moto3 KTM) this year, but we do have Troy Bezuidenhout and Byron Bester in the Junior Cup (WSBK Development - all ride identical 650 Hondas).  We also have Steven Odendaal getting VERY ready in the Moto 2 Spanish Championship.  Last year we had Troy Bezuidenhout, Dorren Loreiro and Fikile Khumalo in the Junior Cup, but nobody in the Rookies Cup.  In 2014 we did have Darryn Binder and Hanro van Rooyen in Rookies Cup.

The problem is it takes huge  money to get there and even more to stay there and SA Companies just do not sponsor.  The youngster's parents basically pay, pay, pay and pay some more until the reach a stage like Brad.  Up to then, you need bucks.  Lots of it.  Into the millions.

Example on how it costs.  During late 2014 Sherdan Morias secured a 600 Supersport ride with the Honda CIA Landlord insurance Team belonging to Simon Buckmaster.  Contract was signed, sealed an delivered.  About two weeks before the start of the season, Sheridan received an e-mail from Buckmaster stating that he is out and Gino Rea was in, unless Sheridan could bring a bigger cash injection than Gino.  Gino raced the bike that year.
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Re: BRAD BINDER: 2016 Moto3 - It is time #41 Bradical!
« Reply #101 on: April 29, 2016, 07:39:26 am »
With things like that, I guess we will never really know which rider is really the best in the world in any given season hey...  :-\
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Re: BRAD BINDER: 2016 Moto3 - It is time #41 Bradical!
« Reply #102 on: April 29, 2016, 07:50:44 am »
With things like that, I guess we will never really know which rider is really the best in the world in any given season hey...  :-\

The cost is what probably make a few potential world champions fall through the holes. It is horrendous.
 

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Re: BRAD BINDER: 2016 Moto3 - It is time #41 Bradical!
« Reply #103 on: April 29, 2016, 10:59:19 am »
With things like that, I guess we will never really know which rider is really the best in the world in any given season hey...  :-\

Sad, but true.  Three things make the difference.  

-  Money, lots of it.  At the start of your career, YOU PAY to ride the bike.
-  Careful career planning.  Even Rossi, when offered a MotoGP (500cc at the time) ride rejected the offer and stayed in Moto 2 (250GP at the time). Get the experience first.  Always!
-  The right team.  For instance an extremely talented rider like Cal Crutchlow finds himself in a 3rd string team and the results show it.

It helps when you start winning.  Watch Brad Binder this year.  Unless something goes seriously wrong, he will get better and better.  A big part will be his talent and tenacity.  A big part will be that KTM will pour everything they have into Brad's bike first.  


The cost is what probably make a few potential world champions fall through the holes. It is horrendous.

Jip.  Madness.  The first year a Moto 3 bike (Darryn Binder's) arrived in SA the cost was (I actually saw the invoice):

-  Race ready bike:  R350 000.00
-  Extra engine (engine good for 10 hours):  R60 000.00  (Spare engine was mandatory)
-  Starter unit required due to the clutch setup on the bike:  R25 000.00  (You could push start, but starter unit was mandatory)
-  Total:  R435 000.00 to stand on the grid.  You have not raced yet.  This in the class where youngsters are supposed to start racing.  The cheap class.

 Sommer so, for interest sakes.

As the Moto 3 replaced the 125GP in SA, the class basically died as very few could afford the above prices and the 125GP bikes couldn't compete anymore.  One Dad, probably a decendent of MacGyver made a plan.  He took a Honda CRF230 engine.  Souped it up as much as he could and slapped it in a Moriwaki 125GP frame.  Then send son racing in Moto 3.  Although, by then there were seldomly more than 6 bikes on the grid, at end of season the kid was 2nd in the championship with his Honda Moriwaki CRF230 bike!  Amazing.

The darn issue is that in a country like SA where we are not rolling in cash, we start other, more affordable classes.  Something like the 250 Cup.  All Kawasakis.  Awesome racing.  The kids however are at a huge disadvantage against the Spanish, Italian, tec. counterparts when they arrive in Rookies Cup of Junior Cup as they are not experienced in proper race bikes.
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Re: BRAD BINDER: 2016 Moto3 - It is time #41 Bradical!
« Reply #104 on: May 06, 2016, 01:22:05 pm »
Onward they go.  Le Mans, France this weekend.

FP1:

Brad:  10
Darryn: 31

FP2:

Brad: 1
Darryn: 23

FP3:

Brad: 5
Darryn: 30

QP:

Brad:  2
Darryn:  22
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Re: BRAD BINDER: 2016 Moto3 - It is time #41 Bradical!
« Reply #105 on: May 07, 2016, 01:23:31 pm »
I always check how many bikes in the first second.  The Le Mans Moto 3 QP there is 1 second between P1 and P24!

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Re: BRAD BINDER: 2016 Moto3 - It is time #41 Bradical!
« Reply #106 on: May 07, 2016, 11:54:10 pm »
I always check how many bikes in the first second.  The Le Mans Moto 3 QP there is 1 second between P1 and P24!



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Re: BRAD BINDER: 2016 Moto3 - It is time #41 Bradical!
« Reply #107 on: May 08, 2016, 11:53:39 am »
Great Ride!

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Re: BRAD BINDER: 2016 Moto3 - It is time #41 Bradical!
« Reply #108 on: May 08, 2016, 01:04:13 pm »
Brad you biscuit  :thumleft:
 

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Re: BRAD BINDER: 2016 Moto3 - It is time #41 Bradical!
« Reply #109 on: May 08, 2016, 01:13:22 pm »
Brad you boykie!  Battling like that and winning is no mean feat and that on a bike that was build in the 2 hours or so between Warm-Up and the Race.  Lekker man!

Hats off the Red Bull KTM Ajo Team for not taking the risk with the bike causing intermittent issues.  How the hell they slap together a new bike in two hours that can win a race I struggle to understand.  Yes, I know they have everything and when we say "build a new bike" it was probably from a rolling chassis up.  Still?

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Re: BRAD BINDER: 2016 Moto3 - It is time #41 Bradical!
« Reply #110 on: May 08, 2016, 05:09:41 pm »
very clever rider, didn't get himself phased at all during the race and made the right move at the right time.

1st ever SA Motogp world champion in the making?
I really hope so

and what a nice guy

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Re: BRAD BINDER: 2016 Moto3 - It is time #41 Bradical!
« Reply #111 on: May 08, 2016, 05:10:55 pm »
Brad the  man :thumleft: :ricky:

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Re: BRAD BINDER: 2016 Moto3 - It is time #41 Bradical!
« Reply #112 on: May 08, 2016, 05:50:58 pm »
very clever rider, didn't get himself phased at all during the race and made the right move at the right time.

1st ever SA Motogp world champion in the making?
I really hope so

and what a nice guy

Bear, your insight and knowledge is a pleasure to read, thanks :thumleft: :thumleft:



Thanks for the kind words.

We have had a MotoGP champ in the past though.  Jon Ekerold:  1980 350cc World Champion.  One of very few ever privateer champions.  He won the title on a "DIY" bike.  Yamaha engine in a Bimota frame that he build himself.
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Re: BRAD BINDER: 2016 Moto3 - It is time #41 Bradical!
« Reply #113 on: May 08, 2016, 06:59:10 pm »
A very happy Dad (Trevor) with Brad after today's race.

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Re: BRAD BINDER: 2016 Moto3 - It is time #41 Bradical!
« Reply #114 on: May 08, 2016, 10:29:02 pm »
very clever rider, didn't get himself phased at all during the race and made the right move at the right time.

1st ever SA Motogp world champion in the making?
I really hope so

and what a nice guy

Bear, your insight and knowledge is a pleasure to read, thanks :thumleft: :thumleft:



Thanks for the kind words.

We have had a MotoGP champ in the past though.  Jon Ekerold:  1980 350cc World Champion.  One of very few ever privateer champions.  He won the title on a "DIY" bike.  Yamaha engine in a Bimota frame that he build himself.



Kork Ballington?
 

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Re: BRAD BINDER: 2016 Moto3 - It is time #41 Bradical!
« Reply #115 on: May 09, 2016, 05:52:03 am »
very clever rider, didn't get himself phased at all during the race and made the right move at the right time.

1st ever SA Motogp world champion in the making?
I really hope so

and what a nice guy

Bear, your insight and knowledge is a pleasure to read, thanks :thumleft: :thumleft:



Thanks for the kind words.

We have had a MotoGP champ in the past though.  Jon Ekerold:  1980 350cc World Champion.  One of very few ever privateer champions.  He won the title on a "DIY" bike.  Yamaha engine in a Bimota frame that he build himself.



Kork Ballington?

Kork was one of the very few riders to win a double (250 and 350) championship in one year and he did it twice in the late 70's.  Whether he is a SA is debatable as he was born in what was then Southern Rhodesia.

EDIT:

I just checked the MotoGP website and they show him as RSA.  Who am I to argue?  Jon Ekerold and Kork Ballington!   :deal:
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Re: BRAD BINDER: 2016 Moto3 - It is time #41 Bradical!
« Reply #116 on: May 09, 2016, 07:06:57 am »
Bear, now that Brad is in this team and doing this well, does his racing still cost Dad at all?

Or, is this self sustaining with a bit of a return on investment so to speak?
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Re: BRAD BINDER: 2016 Moto3 - It is time #41 Bradical!
« Reply #117 on: May 09, 2016, 08:43:18 am »
Bear, now that Brad is in this team and doing this well, does his racing still cost Dad at all?

Or, is this self sustaining with a bit of a return on investment so to speak?

I think the funds are now absorbed by Darren...
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Re: BRAD BINDER: 2016 Moto3 - It is time #41 Bradical!
« Reply #118 on: May 09, 2016, 08:46:12 am »
Bear, now that Brad is in this team and doing this well, does his racing still cost Dad at all?

Or, is this self sustaining with a bit of a return on investment so to speak?

I can't say for 100% sure as I don't have any inside info, but  I reckon they have reached "return on investment" phase.  During last year (his first with this team) he probably got close to RoI.  This year his helmet lost the SA flag for the Red Bull logo and you always see him with a can of Red Bull in hand it showed that he is now a Red Bull sponsored rider, meaning he is earning a salary and sponsorship companies are knocking on his door.

It is amazing to see how his fan base (sponsor value) skyrocketed.  Previous years, if MotoGP posted something about Brad there would be a couple of 100 likes.  This year it is into the 1000's within minutes.  
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Re: BRAD BINDER: 2016 Moto3 - It is time #41 Bradical!
« Reply #119 on: May 09, 2016, 08:46:46 am »
Bear, now that Brad is in this team and doing this well, does his racing still cost Dad at all?

Or, is this self sustaining with a bit of a return on investment so to speak?
He is fully contracted to KTM and he is paid to race.
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