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Offline Weedkiller - Adie

Re: West Coast Baja 2016
« Reply #380 on: April 04, 2016, 08:32:24 am »
We've been looking at electronic navigation systems and aids and it always boils down to how fragile they are. There are electronic roadbooks available, but imagine if you break it or it fails. At least with paper you can always make a plan.


I'v been researching the Paper vs digital Roadbook to death.  :biggrin:

Again, me thinks we must see the trees from the forest. First we need to look at the entrants and then their aspirations. Like in my post above the 'Race to win' vs the 'try before I buy' groups. The former will kit the machine with the 'correct' eq first the nav and then the range presuming it is a limited fuel event.  The latter group can use a digital book.

For me safety is first, so the issue of a broken roadbook is not the end of the world if a few safety rules are are in place like more pre-loaded waypoints etc.  You could even supply the paper roadbook to ALL riders and rent a fold up 'cradle' that can be McGuivered if really neccessary for that 0.1% chance.

BUT, I'm not sure the electronic roadbook will be much (if any) cheaper than the traditional paper holder. The Trippy now go for R 11 000.00 but there might be more cost effective options.

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One of the options we evaluate here at Rockfox is to rent out a fully kitted out nav tower. (fixed or handlebar mount) 

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Re: West Coast Baja 2016
« Reply #381 on: April 04, 2016, 08:54:16 am »
Please dont go for a paperless RB.

I have heard about this alternative to the ERTF. Holding thumbs you can get it sorted :thumleft:
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Re: West Coast Baja 2016
« Reply #382 on: April 04, 2016, 09:05:33 am »
Please dont go for a paperless RB.

I have heard about this alternative to the ERTF. Holding thumbs you can get it sorted :thumleft:

Agree BB !
 "The job is not done until all the paper work is done"
Hard paper can not be easely influence by the weather conditions in space ( space weather, that is the  atmospheric weather from the earth's surface to anywhere in space including the suns own "weather" )
 

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Re: West Coast Baja 2016
« Reply #383 on: April 04, 2016, 09:40:42 am »
Please dont go for a paperless RB.

I have heard about this alternative to the ERTF. Holding thumbs you can get it sorted :thumleft:

Agree BB !
 "The job is not done until all the paper work is done"
Hard paper can not be easely influence by the weather conditions in space ( space weather, that is the  atmospheric weather from the earth's surface to anywhere in space including the suns own "weather" )

That was my conclusion as well (see other freds on this forim), but there will always be 'technofreaks' that hope all will be solved with a battery and a screen.  ;D  I will always look for options to grow the sport.

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Re: West Coast Baja 2016
« Reply #385 on: April 06, 2016, 05:07:01 am »
roadbook for kindle a possibility  :peepwall:(??) 
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Re: West Coast Baja 2016
« Reply #386 on: April 06, 2016, 07:23:11 am »
Please dont go for a paperless RB.

I have heard about this alternative to the ERTF. Holding thumbs you can get it sorted :thumleft:

Shall we also stick with ignition points and carburettor? You will almost inevitably be asked this at some stage. :peepwall:
 

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Re: West Coast Baja 2016
« Reply #387 on: April 06, 2016, 07:36:05 am »
Please dont go for a paperless RB.

I have heard about this alternative to the ERTF. Holding thumbs you can get it sorted :thumleft:

Shall we also stick with ignition points and carburettor? You will almost inevitably be asked this at some stage. :peepwall:

Said in jest, no doubt, but not a stupid question - this one.

Currently you can use points, carbs, cdi and efi. Why not do the same with the RB?

Print the roll for those who want it and give the file to those with electronic gadgets. Real life testing will show the 'better' way.

I'm sure though, in time, points and carbs will be banned - and no doubt, so will the bog roll ...............
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Re: West Coast Baja 2016
« Reply #388 on: April 06, 2016, 07:46:28 am »
A major issue with the electronic stuff at the moment is direct sunlight.

When in shadow or darker conditions they're fine, in direct sunlight they are unreadable. Add to that a fine layer of dust and there's nothing to see.

Kindle would be great idea.
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Re: West Coast Baja 2016
« Reply #389 on: April 06, 2016, 08:00:23 am »
. . . tot die weerlig naby slaan, dan staan al die onbeskermde  elektroniese toerusting, kaput !
Elektromagnetisme is nie n speelmaat met meeste automotiewe toerusting nie. Nie eens te praat van ander atmosferiese invloedmakers daarop nie.
Gee my o.a. papier padkaarte/boeke/roadbooks/papiernotas as die belangrikste basise roete navigasie hulpmiddel en ek gebruik dan daarna ander navigasie hulpmiddels. Dus , "safety first" geld by my.  Papier is geduldig.

 

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Re: West Coast Baja 2016
« Reply #390 on: April 06, 2016, 08:28:12 am »
Until you drown your bike and the roadbook.  Then the paper sucks.
 

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Re: West Coast Baja 2016
« Reply #391 on: April 06, 2016, 08:43:07 am »
Yes , dit het my al gebeur , # , die roadbook houer het ek daarna ge-mod en dit probeer water "splash/dump proof" te maak. Dit het gehelp  in gietende reen. Gelukkig nog nie die "dump" toets met die roadbook op die fiets gedoen nie. Alhoewel in n 3 minute emmerwatertoets by die huis, was dit O.K.
Vir my is daar meer "pro's" as "con's" met "roadbooking"
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Re: West Coast Baja 2016
« Reply #392 on: April 06, 2016, 01:37:49 pm »
I continued to use a wet road book no problem after this

It still scrolled and my ink did not even run. It was soaked. Okay I had to help it a little so that it did not pull too tight, but it worked fine.

Call me old fashioned but paper rocks and Kindle's, EgoPhones & electronic stuff do not. ;D

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Re: West Coast Baja 2016
« Reply #393 on: April 06, 2016, 02:29:31 pm »
BB, best said and demonstrated !
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Re: West Coast Baja 2016
« Reply #394 on: April 06, 2016, 02:55:22 pm »
Embarrassing! Took me 45 minutes to get that damn thing working again.
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Re: West Coast Baja 2016
« Reply #395 on: April 06, 2016, 03:19:27 pm »
You wish a Waterbokkie then ? (Nyala , I think)
Water does not mix well with electrics and/or fuel or one or the other and add air to it , bad combinations: now fix that !
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Re: West Coast Baja 2016
« Reply #396 on: April 07, 2016, 03:45:56 am »
Has anybody attempted to develop / invent a better way of getting the roadbook loaded with any degree of success?
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Re: West Coast Baja 2016
« Reply #397 on: April 07, 2016, 07:16:23 am »
Has anybody attempted to develop / invent a better way of getting the roadbook loaded with any degree of success?

http://www.aurora-rally.com/

These are pretty cool. Very tough. Held together by magnets and lots of cool features. Pricey! Many of the Upington guys have them.
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Re: West Coast Baja 2016
« Reply #398 on: April 07, 2016, 08:08:20 am »
Has anybody attempted to develop / invent a better way of getting the roadbook loaded with any degree of success?

The Rockfox roadbook have direct access to the drive belts once the lid is removed.  We took the one belt off to make the shaft turn easier and rolled the complete 400 tulip roadbook without much problems. It was a two person job, one holding the roll and one the winding.  During this process we looked at how a cradle for the roll could simplify the process.  We are now developing a simple 'clip on' holder to hold and align the paper for an easy one man operation.  We also use a plastic 'leader' to attach the paper to the shaft.

Removing the roll it is also much easier if the drive belt is slipped off.

And it is mmuucchh cheaper, smaller, lighter than ANYTHING on the market.  >:D
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Re: West Coast Baja 2016
« Reply #399 on: April 07, 2016, 09:30:53 am »
Has anybody attempted to develop / invent a better way of getting the roadbook loaded with any degree of success?

I stand in front of the bike with the roll held on top of the RB holder.  Use a piece of electrical tape to stick the bottom of the paper roll to the buff tape extensions you have previously stuck to the bottom roller.  Turn the manual wheel 2 revolutions and then take over with the thumb controller.  Manipulate the tension and straightness by increasing pressure on the roll moving it sideways.