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Re: What 690 model to buy?
« Reply #20 on: April 04, 2016, 05:12:00 pm »
I ride with a bunch of guys who are either on 690's or XR650L's. I ride a XR650L but also have a XR650R. The difference between a nicely sorted L and the R are not huge in overall performance and my L is only about 3kg heavier than the R. Electric leg on the L and air-cooled simplicity is a big bonus in my books. Now my 690 riding mates love their 690's but I have also heard rumours on many occasion of wanting to trade their 690's for an XR after endless electrical and mechanical hassles. I have observed this over the last 4 years and can say that I am happy with my XR and would not want to replace it with a 690. The later 690's will hopefully be more sorted. An XR is probably the toughest bike that is best off the beaten track. Long travel soft suspension and a non torture rack as a seat.
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Re: What 690 model to buy?
« Reply #21 on: April 04, 2016, 08:35:37 pm »
A conventional shock for a XCH will cost more or less the same as a respring and revalve on a 690.  It has less inherent weaknesses than a 690.  It only looses out on the hard-man bad-ass image.  You are the only one that can determine what that is worth to you.  It is definitely not less capable.
 

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Re: What 690 model to buy?
« Reply #22 on: April 04, 2016, 09:46:45 pm »
A conventional shock for a XCH will cost more or less the same as a respring and revalve on a 690.  It has less inherent weaknesses than a 690.  It only looses out on the hard-man bad-ass image.  You are the only one that can determine what that is worth to you.  It is definitely not less capable.
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Re: What 690 model to buy?
« Reply #23 on: April 04, 2016, 10:15:29 pm »
I also have burnt out my clutch but that's probably my fault.

Nope they need shims on the clutch or they do not disengage properly. Obviously it seems like your fault but its not!!!!
 

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Re: What 690 model to buy?
« Reply #24 on: April 05, 2016, 01:16:17 am »
I also have burnt out my clutch but that's probably my fault.

Nope they need shims on the clutch or they do not disengage properly. Obviously it seems like your fault but its not!!!!

Sorry for the Hi-jack

You got more details about this, I'm replacing it at the moment so would like to sort out any problems now. I must say if I want to do super technical again (read wild west) then I would probably just swap out the front sprocket to gear it lower and not slip the clutch as much as I was doing but then again I'm likely not taking a 690 back there again. To also add this is an inherint problem, Not a high enough 6th gear to gear it lower enough for technical and have a good cruising speed
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What 690 model to buy?
« Reply #25 on: April 05, 2016, 03:48:57 am »
I got my 690 September 2015 just clocked 11500km. You need exhaust and air intake replaced and I have a screen, backplate and fuel bag for traveling. This is the ultimate go anywhere bike...


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Re: What 690 model to buy?
« Reply #26 on: April 05, 2016, 07:17:44 am »
Limacon, I can put you in touch with a 690 seller if you're interested.  2012 model with about 8,500km if memory serves correct.  I know the bike and can vouch for it never being abused.
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Re: What 690 model to buy?
« Reply #27 on: April 05, 2016, 10:45:36 am »
Bud, get the wilbers rear shock for the X then get the front setup by Hayward, You will then have everything you are looking for in the bike, reliable motor, good fuel economy and the suspension will be perfect for your riding.

If you want you are welcome to test out my bike with the Wilbers suspension  :thumleft:
 

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Re: What 690 model to buy?
« Reply #28 on: April 05, 2016, 11:19:46 am »
I saw on orange XChallenge at the shops today. Maybe a whack of paint will solve your problems
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Re: What 690 model to buy?
« Reply #29 on: April 05, 2016, 02:27:51 pm »
I saw on orange XChallenge at the shops today. Maybe a whack of paint will solve your problems

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Maybe I'll get the associated power ranger gear too and then i'll be a riding god.  :imaposer:
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Re: What 690 model to buy?
« Reply #30 on: April 05, 2016, 02:44:32 pm »
Put a Red Bull sticker on your Xchallenge aswell, ads at least 20% power :biggrin:
 

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Re: What 690 model to buy?
« Reply #31 on: April 05, 2016, 02:51:26 pm »
A conventional shock for a XCH will cost more or less the same as a respring and revalve on a 690.  It has less inherent weaknesses than a 690.  It only looses out on the hard-man bad-ass image.  You are the only one that can determine what that is worth to you.  It is definitely not less capable.

Quotes ranging from R9k to R25k for a replacement rear shock on the BMX.  R3k for new front springs, although the Marzocchi isn't the best with limited scope for modifications.  Replacement front end looking at minimum R25k.

So either I spend R12k-R50k trying to farkle a bike which will always be soft, or I look elsewhere.

Anyway - I appreciate everyone's constructive and some of the less constructive but funny posts.  

The subject line of this thread was "What 690 model to buy?," not what I need to do in order to be happier with my X-Challenge.

I'm not at all concerned with "bad-boy" or "hardcore" image, those here on the forum that know me will know that.  I'm purely function driven - I couldn't give a damn about brand or image - I want a bike that suits my needs and keeps a grin permanently pasted on my face.

After that rant and after doing more intensive research on the 690 - the truth of the matter (for me at least) is that every bike has its pro's and con's, its unlikely that i'll ever find a bike that is perfect.  Perhaps as some of you have suggested I should take a good basal platform, and throw some money at it until such time that I'm closer to what I'm looking for.  

Thanks again to Xpat and BjornB for the kind offer to take their bikes for a ride.  

Safe Rides,

Lim

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Re: What 690 model to buy?
« Reply #32 on: April 05, 2016, 02:51:31 pm »
Put a Red Bull sticker on your Xchallenge aswell, ads at least 20% power :biggrin:
will need more than one  :imaposer: :imaposer:
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Re: What 690 model to buy?
« Reply #33 on: April 05, 2016, 03:15:24 pm »
If your heart is set on 690, then just go for it and enjoy - I believe you got enough information here about differences between the year models. Based on your description I would probably go for 2013 (big engine and still 'traditional' forks, albeit probably shorter than the earlier R models, most issues sorted - except the ones mentioned above). It is an amazing bike and I'm very glad that KTM  keeps pushing as the only manufacturer big performance singles, while others moved to cruisers or selling Civic engines in bike chassis.

I and probably others (I'm actually amazed how much level headed and good advice you got here considering this is supposedly 690 hornet's nest) got thrown off the scent by your comments about superior suspension and not wanting to spend too much money on the bike after the purchase. While it is probably better than XCH, I paid somewhere around 7 or 8k for the 690 suspension upgrades (front and back) - admittedly on 2014 where they really went cheap (I can assure you would be seriously disappointed with stock). And, unless you buy old bike with attendant reliability concerns, the purchase price for 690s is pretty high even second hand.

So ride one and make up your own mind. Quite frankly as somebody already said - once you will ride it you will probably buy it regardless of what was said here, but at least it will be informed decision. Good luck.

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Re: What 690 model to buy?
« Reply #34 on: April 05, 2016, 03:27:53 pm »
A conventional shock for a XCH will cost more or less the same as a respring and revalve on a 690.  It has less inherent weaknesses than a 690.  It only looses out on the hard-man bad-ass image.  You are the only one that can determine what that is worth to you.  It is definitely not less capable.

Quotes ranging from R9k to R25k for a replacement rear shock on the BMX.  R3k for new front springs, although the Marzocchi isn't the best with limited scope for modifications.  Replacement front end looking at minimum R25k.

So either I spend R12k-R50k trying to farkle a bike which will always be soft, or I look elsewhere.

Anyway - I appreciate everyone's constructive and some of the less constructive but funny posts.  

The subject line of this thread was "What 690 model to buy?," not what I need to do in order to be happier with my X-Challenge.

I'm not at all concerned with "bad-boy" or "hardcore" image, those here on the forum that know me will know that.  I'm purely function driven - I couldn't give a damn about brand or image - I want a bike that suits my needs and keeps a grin permanently pasted on my face.

After that rant and after doing more intensive research on the 690 - the truth of the matter (for me at least) is that every bike has its pro's and con's, its unlikely that i'll ever find a bike that is perfect.  Perhaps as some of you have suggested I should take a good basal platform, and throw some money at it until such time that I'm closer to what I'm looking for.  

Thanks again to Xpat and BjornB for the kind offer to take their bikes for a ride.  

Safe Rides,

Lim



YZ 48mm forks should cost you +/-R4-5K max, with a rim if you negotiate well.
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Re: What 690 model to buy?
« Reply #35 on: April 05, 2016, 03:29:21 pm »
Like Xpat said.

I like the 2012 - 2013 model, because:

690cc engine vs 650cc
Better seat
NO ABS (vs 14 onwards)
No ride-by-wire throttle (vs 14 onwards)
Better suspension than '14 onwards, '10 - '11 R models were 275 mm vs 250 of the '12 - '13.
 

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Re: What 690 model to buy?
« Reply #36 on: April 05, 2016, 03:44:12 pm »
Apart from headshakes when hitting rocks at speed, jumps and dodgy landings, ruts that almost snap your forearms and a couple of handstands because of the rear kicking up, my suspension is just fine  ;D

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Re: What 690 model to buy?
« Reply #37 on: April 05, 2016, 03:44:31 pm »

YZ 48mm forks should cost you +/-R4-5K max, with a rim if you negotiate well.

Including tripple clamps? I believe XCH has 45 mm forks so I don't thing you can just bolt 48 mm forks on.

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Re: What 690 model to buy?
« Reply #38 on: April 05, 2016, 03:48:15 pm »
One other difference and maybe the more knowledgable guys can help out, I believe some of the older models also had adjustable rake?
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Re: What 690 model to buy?
« Reply #39 on: April 05, 2016, 03:49:32 pm »
Apart from headshakes when hitting rocks at speed, jumps and dodgy landings, ruts that almost snap your forearms and a couple of handstands because of the rear kicking up, my suspension is just fine  ;D



I bet something was done to your suspension by the prior owner. I've ridden yours only for a short while, but I think it is more stable than mine (after rework by Hilton and with steering damper). Not sure what it is but I was really surprised how stable and low your bike was (maybe just really low sag?). Maybe I'm just imagining it, but that is how it felt to me.