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Lower crash bars advice
« on: April 11, 2016, 09:19:52 pm »
Hi guys,

Need some advice and opinions here... I have the BMW cylinder head covers fitted, but in hindsight should have fitted lower crash bars. The BMW lower crash bars don't work together with these cylinder head protectors.
Any recommendations on any that are good and do? I see the SW-Motech brand look good but seems to form a square around the cylinder head, which doesn't really protect it if you fall on an uneven surface with rocks I suppose?

Opinions and advice welcome :)

Cheers

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« Last Edit: April 11, 2016, 09:37:46 pm by greper »
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Re: Lower crash bard advice
« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2016, 09:38:14 pm »
Take off the covers and fit BMW Crashbars. Best option IMHO
 

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Re: Lower crash bars advice
« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2016, 09:44:03 pm »
Thanks draadwerk - the BMW items do seem like good quality, both from a robustness and fit perspective.... pricey of course!
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Re: Lower crash bars advice
« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2016, 10:31:25 pm »
The crashbars (OEM) on the new bikes are much better designed than on the pre-LC bikes and they do a good job too.  I don't have experience but there are engine guards from Wunderlich and Touratech that are supposed to fit with the OEM bars.  And obviously they will also fit with the Touratech and Wunderlich bars.  But those parts are expensive.  I also think the OEM bars are the best looking but that is my personal opinion.  I don't think there will be much of a price difference between OEM and, for example, Touratech, especially in SA.  I generally found that Touratech is double the price in SA (compared to Europe).  For Wunderlich the SA prices are about 2/3 more than the European equivalent.  That is perhaps because the stuff is made here.

But to get back to your question - I support the view of Draadwerk.  Get the OEM bars.  You wouldn't need anything else.
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Re: Lower crash bars advice
« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2016, 08:52:17 am »
I have just fitted the sw motec lower crash bars. Very impressed with the quality and robustness of them  :thumleft:

They will fit over your current cylinder protection, which imo will give you great protection.

What I like about the sw motec bars:

Black color matches perfectly with my bike's black frame.
The bars are nice and narrow, does not stick out much wider than the cylinders.
If I lie the bike down on the crashbars, no part of the cyclinder touches the ground, but as you mentioned protruding rocks might scratch the cylinders.

Last positive is the price, much cheaper than oem bars...
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Re: Lower crash bars advice
« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2016, 10:44:52 am »
I have just fitted the sw motec lower crash bars. Very impressed with the quality and robustness of them  :thumleft:

They will fit over your current cylinder protection, which imo will give you great protection.

What I like about the sw motec bars:

Black color matches perfectly with my bike's black frame.
The bars are nice and narrow, does not stick out much wider than the cylinders.
If I lie the bike down on the crashbars, no part of the cyclinder touches the ground, but as you mentioned protruding rocks might scratch the cylinders.

Last positive is the price, much cheaper than oem bars...

Post a picture for the man!  ;D :thumleft:
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Re: Lower crash bars advice
« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2016, 10:53:35 am »
I have just fitted the sw motec lower crash bars. Very impressed with the quality and robustness of them  :thumleft:

They will fit over your current cylinder protection, which imo will give you great protection.

What I like about the sw motec bars:

Black color matches perfectly with my bike's black frame.
The bars are nice and narrow, does not stick out much wider than the cylinders.
If I lie the bike down on the crashbars, no part of the cyclinder touches the ground, but as you mentioned protruding rocks might scratch the cylinders.

Last positive is the price, much cheaper than oem bars...

Post a picture for the man!  ;D :thumleft:

Will take some pics and post tonight  :thumleft:
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Re: Lower crash bars advice
« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2016, 08:40:23 pm »
You guys are all fantastic thank you!  :) I was sold on the OEM BMW bars until the post from w@nted!  ;D The price difference looking at the set on gpsafrica is really good! Decisions decisions!!!!
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Re: Lower crash bars advice
« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2016, 07:48:21 am »
Here are some pics as promised:

I am very happy with them so far, although I have not crash tested them...
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Re: Lower crash bars advice
« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2016, 07:49:18 am »
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Re: Lower crash bars advice
« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2016, 10:59:25 am »
It really does look very good on the bike!  :thumleft:
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Re: Lower crash bars advice
« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2016, 11:46:48 am »
Before and be-after photos.  Thanks  :thumleft:  They do look good.

The OEM bars are more in the direct line of fire when the bike lies on its side.  With those above, I think the pod protectors will work well since the bars seem to be more around the cylinder than covering the top.

However,  I am still of the opinion that crashbars are of little help during a real crash.  They are more for low speed 'incidents' like falling over in a parking lot or stalling on a difficult section somewhere.  But during a high speed fall everything is usually fubar.
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Re: Lower crash bars advice
« Reply #12 on: April 13, 2016, 06:32:20 pm »
If I'm not mistaken Wild@Heart also manufactures crash bars that'll fit with the cylinder head covers.
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Re: Lower crash bars advice
« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2016, 09:57:50 am »
Before and be-after photos.  Thanks  :thumleft:  They do look good.

The OEM bars are more in the direct line of fire when the bike lies on its side.  With those above, I think the pod protectors will work well since the bars seem to be more around the cylinder than covering the top.

However,  I am still of the opinion that crashbars are of little help during a real crash.  They are more for low speed 'incidents' like falling over in a parking lot or stalling on a difficult section somewhere.  But during a high speed fall everything is usually fubar.

Define high speed crash?
With the amount of falling I do and have seen from others, crashbars is a non negotiable. I have somersaulted the bike at 80kmph also and still finished my journey (on thick sand though)
One of the GS trophy vids shows a guy overcooking a corner and falling rather hard, without crashbars he would have had serious issues but was fine.
My stepfather fell on a low water bridge and almost shaved the Rombux bars on his S10 through the pipe...bike was still fine. Thats not a mere sidestand incident.

So in other words, I dont really understand the point you are trying to make? Are you against crashbars? will you only fit crashbars for slow speed events and remove for any long road trips?
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Re: Lower crash bars advice
« Reply #14 on: April 14, 2016, 10:19:26 am »
Before and be-after photos.  Thanks  :thumleft:  They do look good.

The OEM bars are more in the direct line of fire when the bike lies on its side.  With those above, I think the pod protectors will work well since the bars seem to be more around the cylinder than covering the top.

However,  I am still of the opinion that crashbars are of little help during a real crash.  They are more for low speed 'incidents' like falling over in a parking lot or stalling on a difficult section somewhere.  But during a high speed fall everything is usually fubar.

Define high speed crash?
With the amount of falling I do and have seen from others, crashbars is a non negotiable. I have somersaulted the bike at 80kmph also and still finished my journey (on thick sand though)
One of the GS trophy vids shows a guy overcooking a corner and falling rather hard, without crashbars he would have had serious issues but was fine.
My stepfather fell on a low water bridge and almost shaved the Rombux bars on his S10 through the pipe...bike was still fine. Thats not a mere sidestand incident.

So in other words, I dont really understand the point you are trying to make? Are you against crashbars? will you only fit crashbars for slow speed events and remove for any long road trips?

Well, I yield to your superior knowledge and experience.
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Re: Lower crash bars advice
« Reply #15 on: April 14, 2016, 10:38:55 am »
Before and be-after photos.  Thanks  :thumleft:  They do look good.

The OEM bars are more in the direct line of fire when the bike lies on its side.  With those above, I think the pod protectors will work well since the bars seem to be more around the cylinder than covering the top.

However,  I am still of the opinion that crashbars are of little help during a real crash.  They are more for low speed 'incidents' like falling over in a parking lot or stalling on a difficult section somewhere.  But during a high speed fall everything is usually fubar.

Define high speed crash?
With the amount of falling I do and have seen from others, crashbars is a non negotiable. I have somersaulted the bike at 80kmph also and still finished my journey (on thick sand though)
One of the GS trophy vids shows a guy overcooking a corner and falling rather hard, without crashbars he would have had serious issues but was fine.
My stepfather fell on a low water bridge and almost shaved the Rombux bars on his S10 through the pipe...bike was still fine. Thats not a mere sidestand incident.

So in other words, I dont really understand the point you are trying to make? Are you against crashbars? will you only fit crashbars for slow speed events and remove for any long road trips?

Well, I yield to your superior knowledge and experience.

Sorry meneer. but what is an opinion if you cant defend it?

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Re: Lower crash bars advice
« Reply #16 on: April 14, 2016, 11:15:21 am »
Before and be-after photos.  Thanks  :thumleft:  They do look good.

The OEM bars are more in the direct line of fire when the bike lies on its side.  With those above, I think the pod protectors will work well since the bars seem to be more around the cylinder than covering the top.

However,  I am still of the opinion that crashbars are of little help during a real crash.  They are more for low speed 'incidents' like falling over in a parking lot or stalling on a difficult section somewhere.  But during a high speed fall everything is usually fubar.

Define high speed crash?
With the amount of falling I do and have seen from others, crashbars is a non negotiable. I have somersaulted the bike at 80kmph also and still finished my journey (on thick sand though)
One of the GS trophy vids shows a guy overcooking a corner and falling rather hard, without crashbars he would have had serious issues but was fine.
My stepfather fell on a low water bridge and almost shaved the Rombux bars on his S10 through the pipe...bike was still fine. Thats not a mere sidestand incident.

So in other words, I dont really understand the point you are trying to make? Are you against crashbars? will you only fit crashbars for slow speed events and remove for any long road trips?

Well, I yield to your superior knowledge and experience.

Sorry meneer. but what is an opinion if you cant defend it?

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Ons dwaal bietjie van die punt af, maar...  Daar is geen rede om my aan te vat nie.  Ek het bietjie gaan kyk na jou posts en ek is ernstig met wat ek gese het -  ek kan nie saampraat met al jou ondervinding nie.  As die crashbars skade aan die enjin kan verhoed, selfs in 'n relatief ernstige mishap teen 80kmph+, dan is dit verblydendende nuus. 
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Re: Lower crash bars advice
« Reply #17 on: April 14, 2016, 12:00:37 pm »
I have Rockfox on mine, good price and great quality, got the top and bottom installed. You can Google them.
 

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Re: Lower crash bars advice
« Reply #18 on: April 14, 2016, 12:08:19 pm »

Ons dwaal bietjie van die punt af, maar...  Daar is geen rede om my aan te vat nie.  Ek het bietjie gaan kyk na jou posts en ek is ernstig met wat ek gese het -  ek kan nie saampraat met al jou ondervinding nie.  As die crashbars skade aan die enjin kan verhoed, selfs in 'n relatief ernstige mishap teen 80kmph+, dan is dit verblydendende nuus.  

Nee man, as ons nie semi on-topic strond praat nie...gaan die draad elkgeval dood

My ondervinding is maar matig, ek ry ander dag agter n tjom aan op sy 950 en hy op my GSA op n MX baan dat ek steeds nie kan byhou nie, nie eers amper nie. ek val ook by verre die meeste in die vriendekring so weet nie of daai ondervinding is om op trots te wees wat jy daar noem nie.

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Back on topic...I thought the Touratech options looked very good and I will definitely want them someday on my LC. Have seen them being tested on the various courses and such, but that SWmotech will definitely be a lot cheaper and looks very solid to me, I would say definitely good enough but may be a bit heavier, dont know if that is something that needs concidering though.
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Re: Lower crash bars advice
« Reply #19 on: April 14, 2016, 05:13:24 pm »
Ek het toevallig die opgesit vandag. Machineart Xhead covers saam met Touratech bars. Baie duur oefening maar ek rook nie en drink net bietjie en was nog nie die jaar by Teazers nie.