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Re: 2016 Amageza Rallye: Dakar Challenge - Engine Capacity Issue
« Reply #20 on: May 05, 2016, 10:25:11 pm »
Just a question of topic. It mentions in the first post that one of the conditionsof winning the dakar challange is that the rider and the bike must get themselves to europe. Does this mean that the 2018 dakar will start in europe again?

No, but included in the entry fee is the shipping from Le Havre (France) to South America and back. The ship leaves early each November, and your bike gets back in March after the event. If you don't get your bike to Europe then you have to ship separately, which -believe me- opens up a whole new world of pain and logistics costs, dealing with corrupt officials, etc .etc. I reckon its cheaper to get you bike to Europe and then not worry about anything after that.
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Re: 2016 Amageza Rallye: Dakar Challenge - Engine Capacity Issue
« Reply #21 on: May 05, 2016, 11:37:39 pm »
That makes more sense. Thanks BlueBull!
 

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Re: 2016 Amageza Rallye: Dakar Challenge - Engine Capacity Issue
« Reply #22 on: May 06, 2016, 08:44:29 am »
If I had a 500 already, I'd be buying a 450 sticker kit right now...
 

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Re: 2016 Amageza Rallye: Dakar Challenge - Engine Capacity Issue
« Reply #23 on: May 06, 2016, 09:05:02 am »
I agree that the bike is most likely less of an issue. In the end I would expect it to come down to who can afford the cost because, lets be honest, having your entry paid for is just the start of a long list of costs. Looking through the sample budget on the Rally Management Services website, it paints a pretty scary picture of what the costs are. While I have not had the privilege of speaking with any of the local lads regarding the costs of Dakar, I would love to hear from anyone who does have first hand knowledge of the costs.

http://www.rallymanagementservices.com/pages/sample-budget-for-the-dakar-rally

These costs look about spot on.  So $79 500 (seems they added incorrectly) which is = R 1,192,500.00 (today), quite a hefty sum.

BUT if you were to win the Amageza Dakar Challenge, you could look at a realistic cost of:

Without Entry, spare engine, extra wheels & support assistance out of the equation as you will be part of Malle Moto, you could be looking at:

$29 800.00 which is = R 447,000.00  This you would never be able to see again and a great opportunity.
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Re: 2016 Amageza Rallye: Dakar Challenge - Engine Capacity Issue
« Reply #24 on: May 06, 2016, 05:38:49 pm »
I need to get the SR's out today, or lets just say, I'm supposed too...  ::)

How about any class bike, but you have to do it Malle Moto? 690 will have more sleep, but with a heavier bike, they will need the extra sleep.

Can someone give me advice if there is a substantial difference between a KTM 450 and 500? I cannot find any really. Some extra horse-power.

Damn, this is tough. I know of guys with 500's who will eat a tyre to be able to do the Dakar Challenge. Is 50cc really that big a thing?

Can enforcing Malle Moto even the playing field?

For sure, winning a Dakar Malle Moto Entry from a Amageza Malle Moto entry, and finishing in the top 30% from all the bike entries is the real Amadoda Yamadoda, the Man Amongst Men!

I will complete the regs without the Dakar entry. I want to get in touch with all the guys or entered this category already (9 competitors), and hear what they ride.

Keep the comments coming. There is no guideline for the Dakar Challenge, so trust me, your comments are welcome!  :-\
 

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Re: 2016 Amageza Rallye: Dakar Challenge - Engine Capacity Issue
« Reply #25 on: May 06, 2016, 06:33:57 pm »
Imagine you're riding a standard 450 and you finish the Challenge just a couple of seconds behind the guy with a 690.
 

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Re: 2016 Amageza Rallye: Dakar Challenge - Engine Capacity Issue
« Reply #26 on: May 06, 2016, 09:14:19 pm »
450 or bust.  To me there is no question. Malle moto is a bonus.
 

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Re: 2016 Amageza Rallye: Dakar Challenge - Engine Capacity Issue
« Reply #27 on: May 06, 2016, 09:36:56 pm »
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Re: 2016 Amageza Rallye: Dakar Challenge - Engine Capacity Issue
« Reply #28 on: May 07, 2016, 09:32:09 am »
my opinion here
Malle moto only, engine capacity should not be an issue.
 

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Re: 2016 Amageza Rallye: Dakar Challenge - Engine Capacity Issue
« Reply #29 on: May 07, 2016, 09:34:07 am »
if you cannot do the amageza malle moto how the hell are you going to do the dakar malle moto?
i think the entry should just go to Joey and klaar
 

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Re: 2016 Amageza Rallye: Dakar Challenge - Engine Capacity Issue
« Reply #30 on: May 07, 2016, 09:38:28 am »
Ek stem saam tour maar dit gaan nie werk nie met die ASO.
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Re: 2016 Amageza Rallye: Dakar Challenge - Engine Capacity Issue
« Reply #31 on: May 07, 2016, 10:43:32 am »
my opinion here
Malle moto only, engine capacity should not be an issue.

Fully agree with this, Malle Moto a MUST.
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Re: 2016 Amageza Rallye: Dakar Challenge - Engine Capacity Issue
« Reply #32 on: May 07, 2016, 10:54:33 am »
Why just make it simple - you come with anything and you win ... looking at the events this year it was not the bike that won it was the man ... and they let them selfs down because of wrong decisions, like bad navigating , wrong tyre choice, too fast into a corner , too slow on the straight .... if you win you win and no one knowing upfront can use the excuse that 'o he had a better bike' ... make it known upfront that the bike is not the issue ... so if you arrive with a 990 and you are prepared to lug that weight around in the sand and you win then you have the right to the dakar entry and my admiration for ever  :thumleft:
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Re: 2016 Amageza Rallye: Dakar Challenge - Engine Capacity Issue
« Reply #33 on: May 07, 2016, 10:56:31 am »

ANd further .....
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Because the Amageza was never about the Dakar entry ... it was about the dakar experience ... sooo please dont mess this up for the rest of us just because of one lousy Dakar entry  :thumleft: :thumleft:
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Re: 2016 Amageza Rallye: Dakar Challenge - Engine Capacity Issue
« Reply #34 on: May 07, 2016, 12:06:13 pm »
This is for the Dakar FFS!

That is a monstrous undertaking. Anyone seriously wanting to do the Dakar has no options but to be thinking 450.

If a person is very keen on doing the Dakar and doesn’t have a 450 yet and can’t afford to change with still 6 months left, they can’t really be taken as a serious contender. Because let’s face it, if you intend doing Dakar, you can’t be struggling financially speaking at the moment. The winner of that prize almost has to be committed to Dakar whether they won the entry or not. Even with the entry, the bank manager is going to see nothing less than a R300k hole in the account.

Alex has put a huge bunch of cash forward to offer this. Imagine the winner backing out because of financial reasons. It’s not just a loss of a trip of a lifetime, it’s cold hard cash the Alex would lose too.

I think it’s pointless arguing if there is fairness or not in the different capacities. What a nightmare trying to make it even with handicapping? This is just complicating and making admin and headaches. Keep it simple.

You want to do Dakar? You have to be at the start gate with a Dakar compliant weapon.
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Re: 2016 Amageza Rallye: Dakar Challenge - Engine Capacity Issue
« Reply #35 on: May 07, 2016, 12:09:30 pm »

ANd further .....
Camelman

Because the Amageza was never about the Dakar entry ... it was about the dakar experience ... sooo please dont mess this up for the rest of us just because of one lousy Dakar entry  :thumleft: :thumleft:

I think you are assuming that if Alex makes the Dakar entry only for the 450 class that everyone will be forced to ride only a 450 class bike. I don't read it like that. You can still bring anything you like, just you can't be in the running for the entry.

If I could just get my 990's fuel consumption down, I'd love to do it again on that big beast.

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Re: 2016 Amageza Rallye: Dakar Challenge - Engine Capacity Issue
« Reply #36 on: May 07, 2016, 08:36:40 pm »
Correct. As usual, you can ride what you bring in the Amageza.

But, if you want to enter the Dakar Challenge, that is a special category. This thread is about just this special class. These riders have to formally enter the Dakar Challenge and be committed to taking part in the Dakar if they win the Challenge. ASO would take a dim view of a rider who won the Challenge but turned it down. There need to be at least 5 riders entered into the Challenge for it to take place, and the winning rider needs to be placed well in the final results for the whole event for ASO to grant the entry.

So the riders who take part in this have to be fully committed to a Dakar effort. I imagine that some of these riders might even be entering the Dakar whether they win this thing or not. This one also has the added bonus of being for 2018, giving you a whole year's worth of training, fundraising and logistics.

So Kamaya is spot on in saying that if a rider is fully committed to Dakar entry they shouldn't be mucking about with other capacity bikes, finish and klaar.
 

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Re: 2016 Amageza Rallye: Dakar Challenge - Engine Capacity Issue
« Reply #37 on: May 07, 2016, 08:43:13 pm »
+1 on what Kamanya said  :thumleft:
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Re: 2016 Amageza Rallye: Dakar Challenge - Engine Capacity Issue
« Reply #38 on: May 08, 2016, 12:00:26 am »
imho, all bikes should be allowed to race for the 'Dakar Challenge'.

The Dakar Challenge itself has nothing to do with technical requirements, it's all about being the highest finisher of the event that has not previously entered Dakar. It should be used to promote the Amageza, it validates the legitimacy of the event and should be a way to get as many people at the start line that want to 'experience' a rally.

Independent of choice of engine size, country of origin, religion, Malle Moto etc.

 
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2016 Amageza Rallye: Dakar Challenge - Engine Capacity Issue
« Reply #39 on: May 08, 2016, 09:10:50 am »
I think the real serious contenders will turn up on 450RR's and will be difficult to beat regardless of what other bikes entrants may choose
I guess I am gonna save myself the R1.00 entrance fee and will enjoy the competitive vibe for this race within a race 👍
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