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Re: 2016 Amageza Rallye: Dakar Challenge - Engine Capacity Issue
« Reply #40 on: May 09, 2016, 09:56:08 am »
if you cannot do the amageza malle moto how the hell are you going to do the dakar malle moto?

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Re: 2016 Amageza Rallye: Dakar Challenge - Engine Capacity Issue
« Reply #41 on: May 09, 2016, 09:13:42 pm »
To the guys that's voting 450 only, which 450's should it be?

RR or showroom floor? There is a world of difference, and a better rider could lose to a slower guy because of this, ALL within the "450 class".

So, if it is to be truly fair, ban the exotica, and race showroom floor bikes with standard engines.
 

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Re: 2016 Amageza Rallye: Dakar Challenge - Engine Capacity Issue
« Reply #42 on: May 10, 2016, 07:04:52 am »
Any 450 or less.
Including 2 stroke.
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Re: 2016 Amageza Rallye: Dakar Challenge - Engine Capacity Issue
« Reply #43 on: May 10, 2016, 07:43:43 am »
There should be a common denominator thinking for those aiming at the Dakar - start with the end goal in mind ... 450
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Re: 2016 Amageza Rallye: Dakar Challenge - Engine Capacity Issue
« Reply #44 on: May 10, 2016, 08:16:17 am »
To the guys that's voting 450 only, which 450's should it be?

RR or showroom floor? There is a world of difference, and a better rider could lose to a slower guy because of this, ALL within the "450 class".

So, if it is to be truly fair, ban the exotica, and race showroom floor bikes with standard engines.

If the "exotica" were to be banned, then there would be no Dakar.  450 is how they do it at Dakar, whether it is RR, showroom floor, home build, no matter what.  The only common denominator here to keep it fair imho is for malle moto.
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Re: 2016 Amageza Rallye: Dakar Challenge - Engine Capacity Issue
« Reply #45 on: May 10, 2016, 08:47:36 am »
I can't imagine a single 690 rider out there that feels he has an advantage over a 450RR. ;)
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Re: 2016 Amageza Rallye: Dakar Challenge - Engine Capacity Issue
« Reply #46 on: May 10, 2016, 10:48:36 am »
To the guys that's voting 450 only, which 450's should it be?

RR or showroom floor? There is a world of difference, and a better rider could lose to a slower guy because of this, ALL within the "450 class".

So, if it is to be truly fair, ban the exotica, and race showroom floor bikes with standard engines.

If the "exotica" were to be banned, then there would be no Dakar.  450 is how they do it at Dakar, whether it is RR, showroom floor, home build, no matter what.  The only common denominator here to keep it fair imho is for malle moto.

We are not talking Dakar here, only "qualifying" for a Dakar, and to keep this qualifying truly fair it would seem to me that RR's should be disallowed?
Once you progress to an actual Dakar, and you feel you could place high on a RR, get one.

Think about it, a guy on a "normal" 450 is as disadvantaged against a RR as against a 690.
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Re: 2016 Amageza Rallye: Dakar Challenge - Engine Capacity Issue
« Reply #47 on: May 10, 2016, 11:22:08 am »
A few facts....

For 2014 Dakar Challenger edition, of the 5 challengers that won their tickets (I couldn't find details for the 5th guy);

3rd Ian Blythe KTM 450 EXCW
6th GULDMAN, Cristobal KAWASAKI KLX 450
10th GUIRAL, Demian (ARG) HONDA CRF 450 RALLY
6th FERNANDEZ, German (URY) URY KAWASAKI KLX 450

None of them were on KTM 450RR's.

In their fields, there were 450RR's behind them (and in front but not eligible, obviously). For example...

http://perurally.com/docs/ds14/resultados_Motos_GRAL6-2014.pdf




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Re: 2016 Amageza Rallye: Dakar Challenge - Engine Capacity Issue
« Reply #48 on: May 10, 2016, 11:23:21 am »
Interestingly, of the other two rally's that are also hosting the Dakar challenge this year, unless I've missed it, it doesn't mention in their regs specifically that the bikes have to be in the 450 class.
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Re: 2016 Amageza Rallye: Dakar Challenge - Engine Capacity Issue
« Reply #49 on: May 11, 2016, 08:52:39 pm »
Interestingly, of the other two rally's that are also hosting the Dakar challenge this year, unless I've missed it, it doesn't mention in their regs specifically that the bikes have to be in the 450 class.

Exactly... so far the only rule has been: 'not entered Dakar before'.

It's clear that ASO leaves it up to the organisers, as per Alex's poll, I still see no direct relationship between the Dakar Challenge and cc's.

IF/When you enter the Dakar Challenge 'class', you should be prepared to take on the responsiblity of actually entering Dakar.

Last time in Australia, someone 'handed/transferred' their 'ticket' to the 2nd place finisher who actually made the start.
 

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Re: 2016 Amageza Rallye: Dakar Challenge - Engine Capacity Issue
« Reply #50 on: May 12, 2016, 10:41:54 am »
Thanks for the feedback guys. One need to keep in mind that you can rent a bike to do Dakar, thus rent a RR. No need to buy one.

I have fired off some questions regarding the engine size and Malle Moto in particular to A.S.O. Lets see what they come back with.
 

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Re: 2016 Amageza Rallye: Dakar Challenge - Engine Capacity Issue
« Reply #51 on: May 12, 2016, 12:15:31 pm »
Thanks for the feedback guys. One need to keep in mind that you can rent a bike to do Dakar, thus rent a RR. No need to buy one.

I have fired off some questions regarding the engine size and Malle Moto in particular to A.S.O. Lets see what they come back with.

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Re: 2016 Amageza Rallye: Dakar Challenge - Engine Capacity Issue
« Reply #52 on: May 13, 2016, 09:00:15 am »
Morning guys,

Response from A.S.O:

You can win the Dakar Challenge with any engine, and the entry to Dakar allows you to race in the Malle Moto Category. That means that, you can race Dakar in the malle moto or with your own assistance crew, but then you need to pay it. The prize given by ASO is the entry fee 14800.

So that settles it then. Any engine it will be. The route will be a combination of 2013, 2014 & Baja type terrain. So ride what you will.

I will append the regs with this info over the weekend.

Also some good news regarding entry fee's coming.  :thumleft:
 

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Re: 2016 Amageza Rallye: Dakar Challenge - Engine Capacity Issue
« Reply #53 on: May 13, 2016, 09:24:46 am »
Morning guys,

Response from A.S.O:

You can win the Dakar Challenge with any engine, and the entry to Dakar allows you to race in the Malle Moto Category. That means that, you can race Dakar in the malle moto or with your own assistance crew, but then you need to pay it. The prize given by ASO is the entry fee 14800.

So that settles it then. Any engine it will be. The route will be a combination of 2013, 2014 & Baja type terrain. So ride what you will.

I will append the regs with this info over the weekend.

Also some good news regarding entry fee's coming.  :thumleft:

Brilliant!

Might have to dust off the 990 then.
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Re: 2016 Amageza Rallye: Dakar Challenge - Engine Capacity Issue
« Reply #54 on: May 13, 2016, 09:29:41 am »
Morning guys,

Response from A.S.O:

You can win the Dakar Challenge with any engine, and the entry to Dakar allows you to race in the Malle Moto Category. That means that, you can race Dakar in the malle moto or with your own assistance crew, but then you need to pay it. The prize given by ASO is the entry fee 14800.

So that settles it then. Any engine it will be. The route will be a combination of 2013, 2014 & Baja type terrain. So ride what you will.

I will append the regs with this info over the weekend.

Also some good news regarding entry fee's coming.  :thumleft:

Brilliant!

Might have to dust off the 990 then.

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Re: 2016 Amageza Rallye: Dakar Challenge - Engine Capacity Issue
« Reply #55 on: May 13, 2016, 10:29:37 am »
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Morning guys,

Response from A.S.O:

You can win the Dakar Challenge with any engine, and the entry to Dakar allows you to race in the Malle Moto Category. That means that, you can race Dakar in the malle moto or with your own assistance crew, but then you need to pay it. The prize given by ASO is the entry fee 14800.

So that settles it then. Any engine it will be. The route will be a combination of 2013, 2014 & Baja type terrain. So ride what you will.

I will append the regs with this info over the weekend.

Also some good news regarding entry fee's coming.  :thumleft:

Brilliant!

Might have to dust off the 990 then.

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Re: 2016 Amageza Rallye: Dakar Challenge - Engine Capacity Issue
« Reply #56 on: May 14, 2016, 03:54:23 pm »
Morning guys,

Response from A.S.O:

You can win the Dakar Challenge with any engine, and the entry to Dakar allows you to race in the Malle Moto Category. That means that, you can race Dakar in the malle moto or with your own assistance crew, but then you need to pay it. The prize given by ASO is the entry fee 14800.

So that settles it then. Any engine it will be. The route will be a combination of 2013, 2014 & Baja type terrain. So ride what you will.

I will append the regs with this info over the weekend.

Also some good news regarding entry fee's coming.  :thumleft:

Brilliant!

Might have to dust off the 990 then.


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Re: 2016 Amageza Rallye: Dakar Challenge - Engine Capacity Issue
« Reply #57 on: May 14, 2016, 04:01:58 pm »
Uit die kameel se bek !
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Re: 2016 Amageza Rallye: Dakar Challenge - Engine Capacity Issue
« Reply #58 on: May 28, 2016, 09:55:55 am »
Yup .. logic prevails ... you come with what you have and show that you are the best ... and then the real test start .. Mallemoto .... GOOD LUCK  :biggrin: :biggrin:
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Re: 2016 Amageza Rallye: Dakar Challenge - Engine Capacity Issue
« Reply #59 on: August 10, 2016, 09:24:22 pm »
could not find the botton to vote

agree with Andrew, dakar entries should be for guys heading towards the dakar and winning the Amageza helps him get there or is an incentive to enter Amageza, thus pulling more semi Pro or serious riders to Amageza.



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