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Re: Farmers closing roads
« Reply #120 on: May 17, 2016, 01:03:46 pm »
For fucks sakes, chaps! How often do you guys battle with locked gates on public roads. The only disputes I have ever seen about gated roads are normally between farmers themselves.
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Re: Farmers closing roads
« Reply #121 on: May 17, 2016, 01:04:03 pm »
Ok so this seems to be a case of people arguing past each other.

I think what myself, Bie and others from the farmer camp is referring to are roads like this, mostly unused and very off the beaten track



This road runs from Naude's Nek to Tiffindel via Cairntoul along the Lesotho border, is unfenced most of the way and has had locked gates at times (still does sometimes). It crosses many farms and this area has previously seen probably some of the worst stock theft in the country, thankfully now under control.

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« Last Edit: May 17, 2016, 01:04:58 pm by Kortbroek »
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Re: Farmers closing roads
« Reply #122 on: May 17, 2016, 01:06:00 pm »
For fucks sakes, chaps! How often do you guys battle with locked gates on public roads. The only disputes I have ever seen about gated roads are normally between farmers themselves.
another fair point, only 3 times every third year. doesnt make it any less irritating.
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Re: Farmers closing roads
« Reply #123 on: May 17, 2016, 01:07:18 pm »
I have been at both ends of this stick but have never broken a lock on a closed gate

Just for clarity, don't accept that all roads indicated on certain maps and or a GPS are all public roads or a servitude.

I have a used to be road that goes through my farm that has never been a public road nor registered as a servitude but were mainly used by neighboring farmers many years ago by permission of the land owner at the time. This road appears on the GPS maps but is private property.
 

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Re: Farmers closing roads
« Reply #124 on: May 17, 2016, 01:07:33 pm »
There is a neat video clip on youtube that illustrates how to pop a lock with two spanners.
 

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Re: Farmers closing roads
« Reply #125 on: May 17, 2016, 01:10:15 pm »
 

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Re: Farmers closing roads
« Reply #126 on: May 17, 2016, 01:14:00 pm »
Ok so this seems to be a case of people arguing past each other.

I think what myself, Bie and others from the farmer camp is referring to are roads like this, mostly unused and very off the beaten track



This road runs from Naude's Nek to Tiffindel via Cairntoul along the Lesotho border, is unfenced most of the way and has had locked gates at times (still does sometimes). It crosses many farms and this area has previously seen probably some of the worst stock theft in the country, thankfully now under control.

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Re: Farmers closing roads
« Reply #127 on: May 17, 2016, 01:19:20 pm »
Ok so this seems to be a case of people arguing past each other.

I think what myself, Bie and others from the farmer camp is referring to are roads like this, mostly unused and very off the beaten track



This road runs from Naude's Nek to Tiffindel via Cairntoul along the Lesotho border, is unfenced most of the way and has had locked gates at times (still does sometimes). It crosses many farms and this area has previously seen probably some of the worst stock theft in the country, thankfully now under control.





We did that road a few weeks ago and it felt like we were intruding on private property.
 

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Re: Farmers closing roads
« Reply #128 on: May 17, 2016, 01:21:29 pm »
There is a neat video clip on youtube that illustrates how to pop a lock with two spanners.

Same way they break the lock on your front gate to steal your bike or what ever.
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Re: Farmers closing roads
« Reply #129 on: May 17, 2016, 01:21:36 pm »
Ok so this seems to be a case of people arguing past each other.

I think what myself, Bie and others from the farmer camp is referring to are roads like this, mostly unused and very off the beaten track



This road runs from Naude's Nek to Tiffindel via Cairntoul along the Lesotho border, is unfenced most of the way and has had locked gates at times (still does sometimes). It crosses many farms and this area has previously seen probably some of the worst stock theft in the country, thankfully now under control.





We did that road a few weeks ago and it felt like we were intruding on private property.
Did you submit your request in triplicate timeously?
or break the locks ?
 
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Re: Farmers closing roads
« Reply #130 on: May 17, 2016, 01:23:26 pm »
As mens jou roete volgens die inligting beskikbaar beplan het (maar besef dat dit dalk nie 100% korrek is nie) en dan by 'n hek kom wat gesluit is en te min brandstof het om te backtrack, is daar nie veel van 'n keuse nie.

In so geval, sou jy die slot breek:
- Sorg dat jy 'n ander slot of kontant het om te vergoed vir die skade
- Probeer ten minste die grond eienaar inlig indien moontlik
- Hoop en bid die boer is 'n redelike mens en ly nie aan Pistotis (i.e Pistorius sindroom) nie, geen deur of hek gaan jou lewe red nie.

Probeer maar self redelik wees en jouself in die ander party sy posisie sien.

As ek by 'n hek kom wat gesluit is sal my eerst keuse wees om te kyk of ek die boer in die hande kan kry en toestemming kry om aan te ry.
As dit nie werk nie sal ek eerder omdraai.
Laaste opsie is om die slot te breek.

In die verlede was daar ook gevalle van mense wat drade knip of platdruk omdat hekke met moerse slotte gesluit is, dan moet jy maar jou pakslae vat as dit gebeur...
 

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Re: Farmers closing roads
« Reply #131 on: May 17, 2016, 01:25:14 pm »
Ok so this seems to be a case of people arguing past each other.

I think what myself, Bie and others from the farmer camp is referring to are roads like this, mostly unused and very off the beaten track



This road runs from Naude's Nek to Tiffindel via Cairntoul along the Lesotho border, is unfenced most of the way and has had locked gates at times (still does sometimes). It crosses many farms and this area has previously seen probably some of the worst stock theft in the country, thankfully now under control.





We did that road a few weeks ago and it felt like we were intruding on private property.
Did you submit your request in triplicate timeously?
or break the locks ?
 

No, just opened and closed the gates that were closed.  :thumleft:
 

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Re: Farmers closing roads
« Reply #132 on: May 17, 2016, 01:28:09 pm »
As mens jou roete volgens die inligting beskikbaar beplan het (maar besef dat dit dalk nie 100% korrek is nie) en dan by 'n hek kom wat gesluit is en te min brandstof het om te backtrack, is daar nie veel van 'n keuse nie.

In so geval, sou jy die slot breek:
- Sorg dat jy 'n ander slot of kontant het om te vergoed vir die skade
- Probeer ten minste die grond eienaar inlig indien moontlik
- Hoop en bid die boer is 'n redelike mens en ly nie aan Pistotis (i.e Pistorius sindroom) nie, geen deur of hek gaan jou lewe red nie.

Probeer maar self redelik wees en jouself in die ander party sy posisie sien.

As ek by 'n hek kom wat gesluit is sal my eerst keuse wees om te kyk of ek die boer in die hande kan kry en toestemming kry om aan te ry.
As dit nie werk nie sal ek eerder omdraai.
Laaste opsie is om die slot te breek.

In die verlede was daar ook gevalle van mense wat drade knip of platdruk omdat hekke met moerse slotte gesluit is, dan moet jy maar jou pakslae vat as dit gebeur...

Dit is presies waaroor dit gaan, en as dit moet, sal die boere 99% van die tyd uithelp.
 

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Re: Farmers closing roads
« Reply #133 on: May 17, 2016, 01:30:39 pm »
No I wont. Still cheaper to pay the R1000 fine for locking the gate, but my livestock and equipment is relatively safe.
fair enough then, but in taking that stance you cannot complain should someone remove lock, close gate and pass through? right? i feel this whole discussion was mute to begin with.

Did you mean moot?  If so, I disagree.  I thought I learned a lot and also saw two sides to a complex story.  More interesting than I originally thought it would be.
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Re: Farmers closing roads
« Reply #134 on: May 17, 2016, 01:37:41 pm »
I have been at both ends of this stick but have never broken a lock on a closed gate

Just for clarity, don't accept that all roads indicated on certain maps and or a GPS are all public roads or a servitude.

I have a used to be road that goes through my farm that has never been a public road nor registered as a servitude but were mainly used by neighboring farmers many years ago by permission of the land owner at the time. This road appears on the GPS maps but is private property.

Indeed and there are many of those.  Check the map I posted earlier.  If GPS is to be believed, in that area, even the fire breaks are roads.
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Re: Farmers closing roads
« Reply #135 on: May 17, 2016, 01:39:57 pm »
For me there is a big difference between a closed gate and a locked gate
If it is a public road and the farmer needs to keep his livestock enclosed I am more than happy to spend the day opening and closing gates.
But after doing so for a few hours and then, without warning, suddenly finding a locked one is a different story
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Re: Farmers closing roads
« Reply #136 on: May 17, 2016, 01:42:44 pm »
No I wont. Still cheaper to pay the R1000 fine for locking the gate, but my livestock and equipment is relatively safe.
fair enough then, but in taking that stance you cannot complain should someone remove lock, close gate and pass through? right? i feel this whole discussion was mute to begin with.

How would that "someone" without a doubt know it is a public road which will entitle him to break the lock? If I as landowner could not even determine that at the roads department, he surely runs a great risk of breaking and entering or trespassing if that gate was legally locked. Like I said, How would you feel if I break down your front door?
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Re: Farmers closing roads
« Reply #137 on: May 17, 2016, 01:48:28 pm »
No I wont. Still cheaper to pay the R1000 fine for locking the gate, but my livestock and equipment is relatively safe.
fair enough then, but in taking that stance you cannot complain should someone remove lock, close gate and pass through? right? i feel this whole discussion was mute to begin with.

Did you mean moot?  If so, I disagree.  I thought I learned a lot and also saw two sides to a complex story.  More interesting than I originally thought it would be.
Can't say I learned much except that people still think that, breaking the law to suit themselves is justifiable......and that's nothing new in South Africa.
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Re: Farmers closing roads
« Reply #138 on: May 17, 2016, 02:03:22 pm »
I learned the same thing. Without proof of whether a road is private or not some feel entitled to simply break a lock and enter. But again, like you say, nothing new in SA
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Re: Farmers closing roads
« Reply #139 on: May 17, 2016, 02:04:40 pm »
Ok so this seems to be a case of people arguing past each other.

I think what myself, Bie and others from the farmer camp is referring to are roads like this, mostly unused and very off the beaten track



This road runs from Naude's Nek to Tiffindel via Cairntoul along the Lesotho border, is unfenced most of the way and has had locked gates at times (still does sometimes). It crosses many farms and this area has previously seen probably some of the worst stock theft in the country, thankfully now under control.

We did that road a few weeks ago and it felt like we were intruding on private property.


From Naude's nek to the police post at Cairntoul is a public road (I think), beyond that I believe it may be private or servitude. It was initially built for the police to patrol the border and for farmers to access their land. Roads like the volunteershoek pass from Wartrail to Tiffindell was also build by the farmers and is actually a private road. The pass up Carlisleshoek from Rhodes to Tiffindel another grey area as its only maintenance is done by Tiffindell and local farmers.
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