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Offline Weedkiller - Adie

Cost effective Rally Navigation and Management
« on: June 07, 2016, 03:21:11 pm »
New product in development.

After the success with our Roadbook holder and Trip-Cap units we are looking at the next step in cost effective navigation equipment.  the two main objectives are: cost effcective for the rider and control for the Org.

The basic idea is not new (ERTF, Rally-Comp, Volocore etc) but the implementation is the key.

The main unit contains a GPS, two way radio, Satellite Modem and Accelerometer. 

RallyMan unit. (similar to Unik-2, Rally-Comp etc)
The Org will upload the route and all settings to the unit via radio link in the boeviak before departure. This will include all amendments to the roadbook. all penalties will be calculated as the rider transgress.  WP unlock etc etc included.  The system can also act as 'cut off manager' for slow riders. (Override option if fast rider had mechanical issues etc.)  Total stage time will be available immediately on arrival at the boeviak.  Detail track will be saved and can be downloaded to resolve disputes.  The Sat modem can transmit rider info the the next checkpoint to allow the org to know who, what, where etc. The marshals will know who passed the prev checkpoint to assist in planning etc.  It can also compliment the Spot as tracker.  Full Push2Pass with siren between different classes as well as 'Rider down' etc etc.

Due to the simplicity of the layout the RallyMan unit can be used as Trip-CAP as well. (to be mounted at a more 'unsafe' place for better visibility.) 

The rider will rent the unit but the mounting bracket and power cable must be purchased.

Trip-CAP V3
This optional unit will interface with the RallyMan unit to replace OR be backup to the trip and cap units.  One unit will display everything currently available on a Trip and CAP as well as the next waypiont and heading to.  Other info like Speed etc will automatically be displayed on entering the effective radius. (Basically it is almost just a secondary display of the RallyMan unit with the handlebar buttons.  The unit will also be usable on its own with the optional GPS and/or wheel sensor.

While we were at it we also tested a Trip-CAP with an electronic roadbook. Display the standard A5 roadbook from PDF. (No markup yet.  >:D )  This option could really open the doors for cost effective rally preparation.  No more R25 000.00 for a tower.  Light handlebar mount rental unit.  Jeezz it might bring the 'lite' class back to WC Baja and 'impossible' to ride in 'reverse'. (Are you listening Boss?)

The RallyMan unit can also be used for other events like Maluti, WCOC Tankwa and make for very exciting rallying. Just imagine the unit on a 1190 in Lesoto backroads.


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Offline Geel Kat

Re: Cost effective Rally Navigation and Management
« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2016, 06:05:54 pm »
Mooi storie  :thumleft:

Seems I will be entering Baja next year again - did not think that will happen but permission was granted.
With that in mind eagerly following this hoping you will develop an easy to install pre-configured tower as a rental option  :pot:
 

Offline SteveD

Re: Cost effective Rally Navigation and Management
« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2016, 07:01:03 pm »
Adie, your kit, as always, looks impressive.
An unfair question, but do you have an idea of price?
And what with me being part of the org that does the uploading of waypoints and the downloading of tracks, explain a bit how that will be done? Wireless you say, but with what link?
Which SatModem technology are you using, and is it a two-way link?
Is the unit smart enough to send an update via SatModem as it passes each waypoint?
How sunlight readable is the display?

And one last question: How did Geelkat get permission to race again? Awesome! The Geelkat is back.
 

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Re: Cost effective Rally Navigation and Management
« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2016, 07:43:56 pm »
Interesting.  What 'market' are you going after?
 

Offline Weedkiller - Adie

Re: Cost effective Rally Navigation and Management
« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2016, 08:42:39 pm »
Hi Steve

** Adie, your kit, as always, looks impressive.
Thanks

** An unfair question, but do you have an idea of price?
Depending on the unit cost (Capital) and Satmodem running cost we hope to be in line with the current Spot rental price. ( R 350 per day. around ***
R2500.00 for 6 day event).  The bracket and power cable should be around R 650.00.  Will preferably mount main unit on handlebars like the ERTF Unik-2.

**And what with me being part of the org that does the uploading of waypoints and the downloading of tracks, explain a bit how that will be done? Wireless you say, but with what link? ***
At this stage the system read and write a CSV file for the route info and a straight PDF for the roadbook.  We will supply a usb dongle and Windows software to the org.  The radio we use (433MHz - must go through ICASA as well) have a 500m range in full power.  the Org will upload 'selective' in order to verify integrity and download will be initiated from the unit (same as ERTF). The initial data sent to the org will be a summary of the times and transgressions for the rider only.  The rider will see his time and penalties there on the unit during download.  Any dispute must be logged, money's paid and only then will the whole 'track' be downloaded.

***Which SatModem technology are you using, and is it a two-way link? ***
We currently use (basically) the same GPS and satModem as the Spot.  One way only to keep cost down. Depending on the future we might go two way.  the system and software are designed around this already.

*** Is the unit smart enough to send an update via SatModem as it passes each waypoint?***
yup, It is actually 'quite clever' in that respect as there are Org settable options to activate features.  The safety options include G-force, tilt etc etc with rider or auto activated messages.  A menu option can select various pre-set messages. bla bla bla...

*** How sunlight readable is the display? ***
As with all LCD display's it could be a bit of an issue.  We use special anti glare film to 'enhance' the contrast.  The WHITE on BLACK background if fair without any film.  the font is also high quality (Better than anything currently on the market.)  I am actually looking at polarized film to see the effect.

*** And one last question: How did Geelkat get permission to race again? Awesome! The Geelkat is back. ***
He sold all his 'other' bikes.  :pot:

@tehdutchie
The target market is event organizers of 'any' rally raid.  the system can be configured with mobile phone SMS option at 20% of the SatModem cost for Europe.  the beauty of the design is that it can be used for 'fun' events as well like Maluti etc.  the main aim is to make initial cost of prepping a rally bike as cost effective as possible.  If you like it and 'want to win' then you buy the tower, Trip, CAP, RB holder etc.etc.  With this system you only need a bike that can do the fuel distance.  hopefully it will open more doors.

Adie
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Re: Cost effective Rally Navigation and Management
« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2016, 09:06:17 am »
Jislaaikit . . . awesome stuff . . . all the wannabies like me are sitting up straight! our excuses are running out. I LIKE IT!  :o
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Offline Weedkiller - Adie

Re: Cost effective Rally Navigation and Management
« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2016, 09:34:17 pm »
Update 26-06-2016

We tested the unit over a 500km trip to Stonehenge this weekend. All base features function 100%.  The system generates a GPX file with all trackpoints.  We tested the data in BaseCamp as well as Google Earth.
** the unit was tested with the internal GPS of a Sony phone instead of the 'proper' GPS as I just dropped it in the tankbag.  No missed point detected. **

All data structures for the 'fancy' features are done.  Will do a sample 'follow the Waypoints' test next weekend. to sign the core functionality off.

The electronic interface to the GPS, Sat Modem and P2P radio will be completed this week.

Adie
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Re: Cost effective Rally Navigation and Management
« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2016, 09:16:45 am »
This is nice to see. Good work
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