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Offline Namakwalander

DR650R buying advice needed
« on: June 15, 2016, 09:22:37 am »
Hi guys

Someone is selling a DR650R ('92 - '96 model as I understand).Kick start model. It has 58 000km on the clock and the motor has never been opened.

Does ons still get spares locally for these bikes? Are there any common issues or questions I need to ask?

Any help would be appreciated.

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Re: DR650R buying advice needed
« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2016, 09:33:46 am »
It is 1995 or earlier.
Parts are problematic. Some stuff has ben discontinued.

Most common problems are broken kick start levers and snapped kick start spindle (from Flippie "Tenk" van der Niekerk trampling around on the poor thing instead of fixing the reason why it's hard to start) and worn out balancer chains from lack of maintenance. (rattles at idle)

At this mileage I'd first of all check if you can still get OS pistons and rings. You will probably have to re - bore to OS within the next 20,000km
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Re: DR650R buying advice needed
« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2016, 09:37:37 am »
Hi Lecap. Thats not good news. But is there any bike in that class and price range that will be a better buy from a parts or reliability perspective?
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Re: DR650R buying advice needed
« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2016, 09:39:48 am »
It is 1995 or earlier.
Parts are problematic. Some stuff has ben discontinued.

Most common problems are broken kick start levers and snapped kick start spindle (from Flippie "Tenk" van der Niekerk trampling around on the poor thing instead of fixing the reason why it's hard to start) and worn out balancer chains from lack of maintenance. (rattles at idle)

At this mileage I'd first of all check if you can still get OS pistons and rings. You will probably have to re - bore to OS within the next 20,000km

Thanks Lecap. I appreciate your detailed replies (in general). Although that does not sound like good news.
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Re: DR650R buying advice needed
« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2016, 12:38:43 pm »
It is 1995 or earlier.
Parts are problematic. Some stuff has ben discontinued.

Most common problems are broken kick start levers and snapped kick start spindle (from Flippie "Tenk" van der Niekerk trampling around on the poor thing instead of fixing the reason why it's hard to start) and worn out balancer chains from lack of maintenance. (rattles at idle)

At this mileage I'd first of all check if you can still get OS pistons and rings. You will probably have to re - bore to OS within the next 20,000km

I have a 1994 DR650 and yes you can get OS pistons and rings as well as gaskets and chains and tensioners, etc. there are suppliers and then there is eBay too. I even ordered a part from Suzuki recently and they were able to supply - not ex stock but they were able to supply non the less.

It may be a little expensive though as the exchange rate is not very favorable. Depending on price and taking repair costs into consideration perhaps a post 1995 DR650SE might be better value? More spares available?
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Re: DR650R buying advice needed
« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2016, 11:57:18 am »
Hi Lecap. Thats not good news. But is there any bike in that class and price range that will be a better buy from a parts or reliability perspective?
Parts availability 100%:
Kawasaki KLR650 1987ff
Suzuki DR650SE 1996ff
Honda XR650L
Yamaha XT600 wide engine only! (3TB and later, 1990ff)

Problematic part supplies:
Suzuki DR600 and earlier
Honda XL500
Yamaha XT500 & XT550
Yamaha XT600 narrow engine (pre 1990)
Kawasaki KLR600

Above are examples only. Not a complete list. No guarantee either.

Re the DR650R: No more OS ring sets. If you have to do the top end you will have to re - sleeve STD. Also for example no more gear counter shafts.
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Re: DR650R buying advice needed
« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2016, 04:31:10 pm »
that's great info Lecap, thanks
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Re: DR650R buying advice needed
« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2016, 07:42:12 pm »
Hi Lecap. Thats not good news. But is there any bike in that class and price range that will be a better buy from a parts or reliability perspective?
Parts availability 100%:
Kawasaki KLR650 1987ff
Suzuki DR650SE 1996ff
Honda XR650L
Yamaha XT600 wide engine only! (3TB and later, 1990ff)

Problematic part supplies:
Suzuki DR600 and earlier
Honda XL500
Yamaha XT500 & XT550
Yamaha XT600 narrow engine (pre 1990)
Kawasaki KLR600

Above are examples only. Not a complete list. No guarantee either.

Re the DR650R: No more OS ring sets. If you have to do the top end you will have to re - sleeve STD. Also for example no more gear counter shafts.

 Not trying to diss you Lecap - Correction you can get Wiseco piston and rings. I think Wossner also supply! If you really just need asset of rings Cords in Jhb should have something.
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Re: DR650R buying advice needed
« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2016, 12:42:22 pm »
Hi Lecap. Thats not good news. But is there any bike in that class and price range that will be a better buy from a parts or reliability perspective?
Parts availability 100%:
Kawasaki KLR650 1987ff
Suzuki DR650SE 1996ff
Honda XR650L
Yamaha XT600 wide engine only! (3TB and later, 1990ff)

Problematic part supplies:
Suzuki DR600 and earlier
Honda XL500
Yamaha XT500 & XT550
Yamaha XT600 narrow engine (pre 1990)
Kawasaki KLR600

Above are examples only. Not a complete list. No guarantee either.

Re the DR650R: No more OS ring sets. If you have to do the top end you will have to re - sleeve STD. Also for example no more gear counter shafts.

 Not trying to diss you Lecap - Correction you can get Wiseco piston and rings. I think Wossner also supply! If you really just need asset of rings Cords in Jhb should have something.

It's not just rings and pistons.
On the older bikes like narrow engine Xt600's and early DR650's the issues very clearly show up in the form of parts being not available any more (gears for the Yamaha, counter shafts for the DR650R)




There is two commonly used types of spare parts supplies:
Contuinued production and estimated demand.

Continued production will be used as long as the model is still in production (we just make a few extra as spares) or as long as the demand for spares makes it worthwhile to keep on producing a part.

At some stage the demand for parts will dwindle to a level to make manufacturing a lot and storing it cheaper than continued manufacture. Some parts will fall into this category on the day the bike gets discontinued on the assembly line. Some parts will enter this category at a later stage.
 
An "End of support" date is set. For the reputable manufacturers this will be at least ten years after the production run ended. It may be much longer or not, this entirely depends on the manufacturer and numbers of units sold.

Now the demand to be able to supply spares until the end of support date is estimated, the parts get manufactured in one or over time a few batches and stored.

Nearing the "End of support" date basically all parts will sooner or later enter the estimated demand category and production will cease.


Confirmation of a gone by "End of support" date is the first parts being marked permanently "Not available". Hell will freeze over before the agents will supply this part new again.



Please note there are some exceptions: Some parts are only available in a repair kit. This sometimes changes spontaneously. You might not be able to buy a KLR left crank main bearing but you can still get a complete crank shaft. Or: You can't get BMW F650GS clutch friction plates but you can get a kit of friction plates, steel discs and clutch springs...
This also may affect the cost of a rebuild dramatically: If you only need a few O-rings (non standard sizes) and an accelerator pump diaphragm for a Honda GL1100 and you have to buy four carb rebuild kits and an accelerator pump rebuild kit for together something around R 6,000 :o
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