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Bang for buck; Old Legends vs New machines
« on: June 17, 2016, 08:05:16 am »
In shopping around for a bike in the R80k area I'm seeing a bunch of Triumph 800XC, F800GS etc, and then a handful of 1150/1200GS and 990 Adv.
The newer bikes have under 20,000km on the clock, whereas the older bikes have triple that.

Sure, the 990 has 10 or so extra horses over the modern 800's and the newer bikes have more bells & whistles, but is that it?

Are the older bikes just leaning on legend tax are are they actually that close to the modern bikes in terms of engine, suspension, handling etc?
Is the lack of character/soul in the new bikes actually making them cheaper?


In short; Given R80k, would you buy a 2009 990 Adv or 1150/1200GS with over 40,000km on the clock or a 2011 800GS/XC with less than 10,000km?
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Re: Bang for buck; Old Legends vs New machines
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2016, 08:22:22 am »
Depends what you want out of the bike?

Commuter? then reliability and comfort comes into play and your modern bikes takes a notch
Weekend play toy? then the older bikes with some character and the ability to smack around takes a notch as if you ding it, you can park it till you fix it.

Do you like tech? then the modern bikes are for you with all its bells and whistles.
Do you fixed things yourself? then the oldrr bikes takes a notch as they are easier to work on (and to fix in the bundus)
 

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« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2016, 08:24:42 am »
The 800 xc.

Unless you actually ride a ktm to 100% of what it is capable off, you pay for a lot more than you use. I own a few different bikes and to be honest, if I had to pick and keep just one, I would keep the 800. but this is my opinion and not brand bashing either.
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Re: Bang for buck; Old Legends vs New machines
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2016, 08:32:57 am »
I'd buy the newer bike (despite owning an older 1150GS/160,00km, etc)...

I get a bit nervous dropping a pristine METAL TANK 1150 off road, not so much a bike with plastic tank shrouds, etc.

If you had say R40k or R45k, then maybe a cheaper/older legend...

I would go 1200GS, since I do feel that the KTM might be more costly with repairs, etc.
But am an admitted BMW fan...

That Triumph has a beautiful motor, and I do like it.
800 TRIUMPH or BMW versus BMW 1200, obviously very different bikes, pillion ability(pillion comfort) etc.
So I would go newer. Just be aware SOME of the 1200GS's model year 2006 and 1st 3 months of 2007 suffered from ABS pump failuere, so R25 repair from agents, or R5k repair from Jughead, etc.

I would buy new.
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Re: Bang for buck; Old Legends vs New machines
« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2016, 08:42:09 am »
I think what is most important is what do you want to do with it? Long distance touring...short distance technical....commute. Each purpose is bike specific so I would base it on this :thumleft:

Yes you can do technical stuff with a 1200, but a 800 is just so much more fun.

Yes you can tour the country on a 800, but a 1200 comes into a world of its own on the long road.
 

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Re: Bang for buck; Old Legends vs New machines
« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2016, 09:01:33 am »
My commute is really short at the moment and I don't see it ever being more than 20km during my ownership of this bike.
I could probably do my current 5km commute on a 530EXC  :lol8:

Are the older bikes that unreliable though? Assuming it's been looked after, is a 40,000km+ 990 going to spend that much more time in the workshop than a 10,000km F800GS?

The 800 xc.

Unless you actually ride a ktm to 100% of what it is capable off, you pay for a lot more than you use. I own a few different bikes and to be honest, if I had to pick and keep just one, I would keep the 800. but this is my opinion and not brand bashing either.

A mate of mine has an 800XC and loves it. It's beautiful, well made, sounds amazing and goes like stink. It's a little too road-oriented for my liking though and I want more low-down torque without the vibes of a single - a twin is the way forward for me.

I hear you though; I'm sure 90% of KTM riders don't exploit half of the bike's capabilities that they're paid for. You've answered my question in a way; a KTM 990 is a much more capable machine, yes?
If you want to cross Namibia in record time on an R80k bike you can't do much better than a 990, but on the canal roads an F800GS will do just as well :dontknow:

The thing is I enjoy going a little out of my comfort zone on occasion. I remember heading into Dullstroom we encountered a steep, rocky track down a mountainside. My Transalp and the 800cc guys had a ball. The 1200GS riders struggled. I don't want my bike to hold me back.

I think what is most important is what do you want to do with it? Long distance touring...short distance technical....commute. Each purpose is bike specific so I would base it on this :thumleft:

All of that  :ricky:
That's what dual sport is all about, right?

I'd buy the newer bike (despite owning an older 1150GS/160,00km, etc)...

I get a bit nervous dropping a pristine METAL TANK 1150 off road, not so much a bike with plastic tank shrouds, etc.

If you had say R40k or R45k, then maybe a cheaper/older legend...

I would go 1200GS, since I do feel that the KTM might be more costly with repairs, etc.
But am an admitted BMW fan...

That Triumph has a beautiful motor, and I do like it.
800 TRIUMPH or BMW versus BMW 1200, obviously very different bikes, pillion ability(pillion comfort) etc.
So I would go newer. Just be aware SOME of the 1200GS's model year 2006 and 1st 3 months of 2007 suffered from ABS pump failuere, so R25 repair from agents, or R5k repair from Jughead, etc.

I would buy new.
Cheers
Chris

Thanks for the tips.
Why does the 1200GS have to be (or just seem?) so boring though?

I'm starting to think this is like choosing between an old, exotic sports car and a 2yr old Corolla.
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Re: Bang for buck; Old Legends vs New machines
« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2016, 09:20:21 am »
I think you have made the decision already:  Get an 800GS  8)  Best value for money: Newest tech (for the money), most practical and good for technical terrain (which you seem to enjoy) while also being good enough at long distance touring...

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Re: Bang for buck; Old Legends vs New machines
« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2016, 10:02:41 am »
I think you have made the decision already:  Get an 800GS  8)  Best value for money: Newest tech (for the money), most practical and good for technical terrain (which you seem to enjoy) while also being good enough at long distance touring...

 :ricky: :thumleft:

That's pretty much the heart vs head decision going on. 2011 800GS with low mileage, 2007/8 1200GS with low mileage, or 2009 990Adv with 40,000km  ???
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Re: Bang for buck; Old Legends vs New machines
« Reply #8 on: June 17, 2016, 10:38:45 am »
I think you have made the decision already:  Get an 800GS  8)  Best value for money: Newest tech (for the money), most practical and good for technical terrain (which you seem to enjoy) while also being good enough at long distance touring...

 :ricky: :thumleft:

That's pretty much the heart vs head decision going on. 2011 800GS with low mileage, 2007/8 1200GS with low mileage, or 2009 990Adv with 40,000km  ???

Which is heart and which is head?  ;)
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Re: Bang for buck; Old Legends vs New machines
« Reply #9 on: June 17, 2016, 10:46:03 am »
I think you have made the decision already:  Get an 800GS  8)  Best value for money: Newest tech (for the money), most practical and good for technical terrain (which you seem to enjoy) while also being good enough at long distance touring...

 :ricky: :thumleft:

That's pretty much the heart vs head decision going on. 2011 800GS with low mileage, 2007/8 1200GS with low mileage, or 2009 990Adv with 40,000km  ???

You are still young, don't give up on life now, get the KTM. There is still plenty of time for a GS.
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Re: Bang for buck; Old Legends vs New machines
« Reply #10 on: June 17, 2016, 11:23:46 am »
I think you have made the decision already:  Get an 800GS  8)  Best value for money: Newest tech (for the money), most practical and good for technical terrain (which you seem to enjoy) while also being good enough at long distance touring...

 :ricky: :thumleft:

That's pretty much the heart vs head decision going on. 2011 800GS with low mileage, 2007/8 1200GS with low mileage, or 2009 990Adv with 40,000km  ???

You are still young, don't give up on life now, get the KTM. There is still plenty of time for a GS.

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Re: Bang for buck; Old Legends vs New machines
« Reply #11 on: June 17, 2016, 11:26:40 am »
You are still young, don't give up on life now, get the KTM. There is still plenty of time for a GS.

 :spitcoffee: I think I need that as a sticker on my bike.

Now I must just try find a 2009+ R for R80k  >:D
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« Reply #12 on: June 17, 2016, 11:35:17 am »
You will buy an immaculate V strom 1000 for that.
 

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Re: Bang for buck; Old Legends vs New machines
« Reply #13 on: June 17, 2016, 12:13:31 pm »
You will buy an immaculate V strom 1000 for that.

This is true. I've always perceived them as softer off-roaders though with less clearance than the others and cast wheels :\
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Re: Bang for buck; Old Legends vs New machines
« Reply #14 on: June 17, 2016, 12:26:35 pm »
You are still young, don't give up on life now, get the KTM. There is still plenty of time for a GS.



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Re: Bang for buck; Old Legends vs New machines
« Reply #15 on: August 19, 2016, 02:21:08 pm »
You are still young, don't give up on life now, get the KTM. There is still plenty of time for a GS.

I think it's only right to give credit where it's due. Mr K, these words stuck with me  :thumleft:

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Re: Bang for buck; Old Legends vs New machines
« Reply #16 on: August 19, 2016, 02:31:19 pm »
You are still young, don't give up on life now, get the KTM. There is still plenty of time to spend an hour fixing a flat tyre :deal: :peepwall: >:D ;)
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« Reply #17 on: August 19, 2016, 02:36:11 pm »
You are still young, don't give up on life now, get the KTM. There is still plenty of time to spend an hour fixing a flat tyre :deal: :peepwall: >:D ;)

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« Reply #18 on: August 19, 2016, 02:39:50 pm »
very nice 990, geluk en veilige myle   :thumleft:

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