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Re: KTM: Ready to let you down…..
« Reply #100 on: July 19, 2016, 09:28:10 am »
Wait, whaat??

What do you suggest we do with our memories of the amazing things we did on our KTM's? The years of adventure trips to normally unreachable places, the countless races we participated in and the crazy shit we did because someone said it can't be done?
 

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Re: KTM: Ready to let you down…..
« Reply #101 on: July 19, 2016, 09:30:02 am »
Wait, whaat??

You only owned 2 x second hand KTM's which gave you problems and now one of the greatest motorcycle manufacturers are building unreliable bikes?

10 000km on a supermotard and 27 000km on a 690 are high mileage. They are racing machines...

What do you suggest we do with our memories of the amazing things we did on our KTM's? The years of adventure trips to normally unreachable places, the countless races we participated in and the crazy shit we did because someone said it can't be done?

Altie, here is an easy quest for you.
1. Which "unreliable" brand is the (by far) most represented in the cross country events like Dakar and Amageza?
2. Why is this brand the choice for riders when choosing a bike that need to withstand the worst punishment in an endurance race?

I owned 20 KTM's that gave less problems than the 2 you had. You're opinion is invalid.  :biggrin:
 
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Re: KTM: Ready to let you down…..
« Reply #102 on: July 19, 2016, 09:32:04 am »
I bought this second hand with 65 000km it has 112 000 km now with absolutely no problems
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2 = good gravel /pillion friendly
3 = interspersed with sand, mud, sand , bush / not pillion friendly
4 = lots of sand, technical riding
5 = expert only (we are not worthy, still to meet one)
 

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Re: KTM: Ready to let you down…..
« Reply #103 on: July 19, 2016, 12:07:31 pm »
How do you build a Land Rover? Start at the oil leak and work up.
Hijack off

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Re: KTM: Ready to let you down…..
« Reply #104 on: July 19, 2016, 12:26:14 pm »
I bought this second hand with 65 000km it has 112 000 km now with absolutely no problems

Still the most beautiful and most exciting adventure bike ever made.

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Re: KTM: Ready to let you down…..
« Reply #105 on: July 19, 2016, 12:46:39 pm »
KTM!!!!! Best bike in the world or is it the only bike in the world ???

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Re: KTM: Ready to let you down…..
« Reply #106 on: July 19, 2016, 12:50:22 pm »
Well, we all know the story why Charlie and Ewan ended up on BM's
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Re: KTM: Ready to let you down…..
« Reply #107 on: July 19, 2016, 12:50:47 pm »
Soory, forgot to add...  :imaposer:
...dis nooit te laat om n happy childhood te he nie !

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Re: KTM: Ready to let you down…..
« Reply #108 on: July 19, 2016, 12:53:09 pm »
OK, I think it's time we become more specific.

KTM models applicable to our use is the old 640, 959/990, 1190, 1290 and the 690.

1.640....dubious reliability, with a suspect engine.
2.950/990....some really good examples and with the ability to put reasonably high reliable mileage on. Good bikes.
3.1190....issues, reflected in the 2nd hand value.[almost surpassed in 2nd hand value by the previous model 990]
4.1290....too young.
5.690.....lots of issues, lots and lots. Perhaps sorted in the 2016 bike? But the buyers of the previous years of 690's had a bad rap.

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Re: KTM: Ready to let you down…..
« Reply #109 on: July 19, 2016, 01:25:32 pm »
My KTM's never let me down but the local dealership has... plenty  :peepwall:
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Re: KTM: Ready to let you down…..
« Reply #110 on: July 19, 2016, 03:03:50 pm »
I also think there is a little luck also involved with the 690's :-) and the way perhaps you ride it

I was looking at a ktm 690 (2008) here in Tanzania a few months ago as I have one in SA. It belonged to a friend and after checking it out could not see oil level so offered to do a oil service. The picture bellow was how much oil came out of the bike. I have no clue how long the oil has been so low but must have been a few thousand kms (bike had 15000km on it) and it still purred like a lion on the serangetti :-). One thing to note is that it was ridden in DAR traffic so you dont easily go faster than 80km/h. I did not take it and are still considering to ride my 690 up (or perhaps get a 990 :-)  and ride that up.



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Re: KTM: Ready to let you down…..
« Reply #111 on: July 19, 2016, 04:59:08 pm »
My KTM's never let me down but the local dealership has... plenty  :peepwall:

The poor dealer tries their best with the product they have. :pot:
 

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Re: KTM: Ready to let you down…..
« Reply #112 on: July 19, 2016, 05:04:26 pm »
Friends of mine rode 5x 640 Adventures from Cairo to CapeTown quite a couple of years ago. Only had punchers...
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Re: KTM: Ready to let you down…..
« Reply #113 on: July 19, 2016, 05:08:46 pm »
oh, and I rode my 1190 Pta - Sutherland - Pta with a faulty oil temp sensor without letting me down. Just would not rev over 7000rpm. Still good to do 180km/h tough.
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Re: KTM: Ready to let you down…..
« Reply #114 on: July 19, 2016, 05:18:53 pm »
there is a relatively small probability that you have issues early one with a new bike, and a relatively small probability that you will do 150 000km without issues, the remainder see bikes that are relatively reliable.

The above is simply due to how the bike was put together, slight variables that they can't control

Brand would obviously play a role, it would affect the whole spectrum, so it's valid to talk about some brands being more reliable than others. The problem is getting the stats. Anecdotal evidence is all but useless. we need stats, but I don't know if such stats are available.

The other broad generalisation is that more electronics, and more highly stressed engines, should have more issues overall.
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Re: KTM: Ready to let you down…..
« Reply #115 on: July 19, 2016, 05:24:17 pm »
there is a relatively small probability that you have issues early one with a new bike, and a relatively small probability that you will do 150 000km without issues, the remainder see bikes that are relatively reliable.

The above is simply due to how the bike was put together, slight variables that they can't control

Brand would obviously play a role, it would affect the whole spectrum, so it's valid to talk about some brands being more reliable than others. The problem is getting the stats. Anecdotal evidence is all but useless.

Someone get us stats

A realistic figure would be the amount of warranty claims per manufacturer , but it should be broken down into categories from minor to catastrophic . And from my experience some so called reliable brands would be shown to be anything but .
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Re: KTM: Ready to let you down…..
« Reply #116 on: July 19, 2016, 05:39:58 pm »
The thing is, you may well have a failure rate of 1: 10 000 000 000 on a vehicle.  If you are the one with the issues, you are unhappy and it seems this is really the issue here.
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Re: KTM: Ready to let you down…..
« Reply #117 on: July 19, 2016, 06:22:02 pm »
Having read all the inputs and opinions thus far (some well formulated, some witty, some with motive) about all the crap bikes, all the crap bikes give you, I'll stick with the best ever - Moto Guzzi.
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Re: KTM: Ready to let you down…..
« Reply #118 on: July 19, 2016, 06:28:25 pm »
My KTM's never let me down but the local dealership has... plenty  :peepwall:
That is something i can agree with, i wanted to post just like you said.
Whether its plain negligence from the guys down in the service department or people not knowing what they are doing! Ive seen it many times. Like many have said, how you treat and maintain your bike plays a humongous role in what you will get out of it.
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Re: KTM: Ready to let you down…..
« Reply #119 on: July 19, 2016, 06:31:09 pm »
I also think there is a little luck also involved with the 690's :-) and the way perhaps you ride it

I was looking at a ktm 690 (2008) here in Tanzania a few months ago as I have one in SA. It belonged to a friend and after checking it out could not see oil level so offered to do a oil service. The picture bellow was how much oil came out of the bike. I have no clue how long the oil has been so low but must have been a few thousand kms (bike had 15000km on it) and it still purred like a lion on the serangetti :-). One thing to note is that it was ridden in DAR traffic so you dont easily go faster than 80km/h. I did not take it and are still considering to ride my 690 up (or perhaps get a 990 :-)  and ride that up.


* oil.JPG





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