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Re: KTM: Ready to let you down…..
« Reply #40 on: July 12, 2016, 10:53:24 pm »
Just take a spare fuel pump wherever you go and you will be sorted ;) :thumleft:

Electric fuel pumps are kak. Fact. So yes, keep a spare handy by all means  :thumleft:

That is not limited to KTMs. Africa Twins come to mind.....but their regulators fail even more often.

The 640 has a mechanical pump, and I have only seen one post on the forum about a failure.
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Re: KTM: Ready to let you down…..
« Reply #41 on: July 12, 2016, 10:58:32 pm »
You say 2009 model, 27 000km on the clock, for a single cylinder.

Right, any idea how that 27 000km were ridden? Slowly, hard, rev limiter all the time? Did the guy do racing with it, trails, MX track, sand dunes? or was it a commuter to work and back idling in traffic.

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Re: KTM: Ready to let you down…..
« Reply #42 on: July 13, 2016, 06:00:14 am »
Altie which 2009 690 do you have? The E (black frame) or R (Orange frame)?


45000km on a 640. Had to walk home once when the side stand switch failed. Walked back with a knife and fixed it. Owned since 22000km.
My 2010 690 left me next to the road once with a failed fuel pump. Thinking back, the signs of a fuel pump going was there for about the last 1500km.
My dad's 2010 690 only has had the R/R go on it.

Otherwise, no other problems. Will happily own a 690 again but preferably only if it has the longer travel suspension.
 

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Re: KTM: Ready to let you down…..
« Reply #43 on: July 13, 2016, 06:46:59 am »
Dis jammer om te lees, maar ek dink die OP se punt is vir HOM is KTM nou plein shit. Maak nie saak wat hier gesę word nie, sy opinie sal nooit verander hierna nie.

Ek wil tog waag en sę die feit dat dit 2de handse bikes was sonder dat jy kennis gehad het van hulle geskiedenis MAG dalk 'n oorwegende rol te speel gehad het.

Soos Mandy sę - waarvoor was die bikes gebruik voor jy hulle gekoop het?

Dan - ek dink tog as jy hulle BEHOORLIK laat diens het na jy hulle gekoop het, sal jy geen probleme moontlik gehad het nie.

Ja, julle kan sę die LC is 'n staatmaker enjin, maar sonder behoorlike onderhoud is hy maar, soos enige ander enjin, vol shit. Is dit dalk waar die probleem se oorsprong lę?
 

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Re: KTM: Ready to let you down…..
« Reply #44 on: July 13, 2016, 07:11:48 am »
I had a toyota 4.2 diesel series 80 s/w which blew a top aftet only 320k carefully maintained kms.  Reason - slow leaking water pump.  Overheat.  Cost me farking R40k to fix.

Next car - Toyota Prado 4l petrol - 2006 model

Conclusion.  Isolated shit can happen. Dont generalise random exceptions. Its statistically unsound

Although - it seems that KTM singles in the 650 class have more issues than its twins in the litre class?  Which begs the question - are high performance single engines in general less reliable that twins for d/s riding?  I would think so...
 

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Re: KTM: Ready to let you down…..
« Reply #45 on: July 13, 2016, 07:11:58 am »

So here is a bold statement: Women are one of the most unreliable brands of modern times: Am I suitably qualified to make such a statement? Well? Here are my facts….
I am 44 years old and have been bonking women since I was 18 years old, for 20 years I have been bonking younger women only, and only then have I switched to mutually exclusive, and stick with it for the last six years.
In my bonking time I have been through 25 odd women, the women spanning from 20 year old Henda  with 100 000 abused cats to newer women. From this gross number of women I have bonked, two were Katies and these two women are the only ones to have ever given me more trouble than bonking pleasure.
Now, WOMAN HQ will probably like to stick their nose in here and point out that I have taken hold of 2nd hand women that have been abused.
The first KATIE was a 64y old prestige motard that had 10 000 date nights on the odo and was still under guarantee, with one previous owner. This woman used to cut out at intermittently at every second opportunity, even taking the woman to agents/several other suitably qualified technicians never solved the problem.
Then a couple of years went by, and after sampling various dual purpose womans including Henda,BERNICE and Suzie, my heart was aching for a KATIE 69er enduro. C`mon. who can resist such a beautiful package with suspension, brakes and performance.
Yes, it is a 2009 model, previously owned. With 27 000km on it. Agent serviced. I have done 3 000km on this woman and it have left me stranded on the side of the road more times than I care to remember. I have more confidence in a Chinese scooter than with this woman.
OK, KATIE will be the first to point out that I buy 2nd hand womans and are not their target market. I can understand that. But I do want you, the 2nd hand buyer, to take note of the shortcomings, of the KATIE brand. It is flawed. Seriously flawed.
Why was the Hussie Oiler launched? To hide the inability of the 69er to run day in day out? Was it a marketing ploy to cover how bad the armour of the 69er is?  Yes, I am also so much aware of guys like Noah Horak who use KATIE to travel long distance. If Noah wasn’t an electrical engineer with hands on knowledge to fix a woman, would he seriously consider circumnavigating the globe on a KATIE?
At this point the BERNICE guys are probably eager to step in and reply how trustworthy their machines are, I have owned a couple of BERNICEs in my life and they are in every respect  as much as a Toyota, very reliable but not very desirable.
Which leaves us with the Japanese brands, the likes of the DR650 and Xr650 which no longer are allowed to grace our showroom floors as new womans. It is a pity. Maybe not as exciting as a KATIE 69er, but then excitement is over rated when calling a buddy to come trailer you home.
Oh, before I forget this is not a desperate call on KATIE to come offer to solve their problems. The inside of my garage will never see a KATIE again, and I bet if we launched a poll right now to see how many new KATIE`s have made its way back to the dealer on the back of a trailer, if will probably be outnumber the number of happy KATIE customers.


So.
Change a few key words, or add your own brand name, and the story will be familiar for everyone in his/ her own way.

Sorry to hear about your specific bad run with the Katies........
Get over it, move on.
 

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Re: KTM: Ready to let you down…..
« Reply #46 on: July 13, 2016, 07:21:12 am »

So here is a bold statement: Women are one of the most unreliable brands of modern times: Am I suitably qualified to make such a statement? Well? Here are my facts….
I am 44 years old and have been bonking women since I was 18 years old, for 20 years I have been bonking younger women only, and only then have I switched to mutually exclusive, and stick with it for the last six years.
In my bonking time I have been through 25 odd women, the women spanning from 20 year old Henda  with 100 000 abused cats to newer women. From this gross number of women I have bonked, two were Katies and these two women are the only ones to have ever given me more trouble than bonking pleasure.
Now, WOMAN HQ will probably like to stick their nose in here and point out that I have taken hold of 2nd hand women that have been abused.
The first KATIE was a 64y old prestige motard that had 10 000 date nights on the odo and was still under guarantee, with one previous owner. This woman used to cut out at intermittently at every second opportunity, even taking the woman to agents/several other suitably qualified technicians never solved the problem.
Then a couple of years went by, and after sampling various dual purpose womans including Henda,BERNICE and Suzie, my heart was aching for a KATIE 69er enduro. C`mon. who can resist such a beautiful package with suspension, brakes and performance.
Yes, it is a 2009 model, previously owned. With 27 000km on it. Agent serviced. I have done 3 000km on this woman and it have left me stranded on the side of the road more times than I care to remember. I have more confidence in a Chinese scooter than with this woman.
OK, KATIE will be the first to point out that I buy 2nd hand womans and are not their target market. I can understand that. But I do want you, the 2nd hand buyer, to take note of the shortcomings, of the KATIE brand. It is flawed. Seriously flawed.
Why was the Hussie Oiler launched? To hide the inability of the 69er to run day in day out? Was it a marketing ploy to cover how bad the armour of the 69er is?  Yes, I am also so much aware of guys like Noah Horak who use KATIE to travel long distance. If Noah wasn’t an electrical engineer with hands on knowledge to fix a woman, would he seriously consider circumnavigating the globe on a KATIE?
At this point the BERNICE guys are probably eager to step in and reply how trustworthy their machines are, I have owned a couple of BERNICEs in my life and they are in every respect  as much as a Toyota, very reliable but not very desirable.
Which leaves us with the Japanese brands, the likes of the DR650 and Xr650 which no longer are allowed to grace our showroom floors as new womans. It is a pity. Maybe not as exciting as a KATIE 69er, but then excitement is over rated when calling a buddy to come trailer you home.
Oh, before I forget this is not a desperate call on KATIE to come offer to solve their problems. The inside of my garage will never see a KATIE again, and I bet if we launched a poll right now to see how many new KATIE`s have made its way back to the dealer on the back of a trailer, if will probably be outnumber the number of happy KATIE customers.


So.
Change a few key words, or add your own brand name, and the story will be familiar for everyone in his/ her own way.

Sorry to hear about your specific bad run with the Katies........
Get over it, move on.

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Re: KTM: Ready to let you down…..
« Reply #47 on: July 13, 2016, 07:24:23 am »
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Re: KTM: Ready to let you down…..
« Reply #48 on: July 13, 2016, 07:34:35 am »
All 4 my KTMs have been dead realiable but then again I only use them to putter about in town

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Re: KTM: Ready to let you down…..
« Reply #49 on: July 13, 2016, 07:47:07 am »
Not all KTM's are unreliable. I think most will agree that the LC4 motor was not KTM's most reliable motor ever. I've owned 2 LC4's - both served me well, but let the new owners down. On both occasions the problems were due to poor maintenance though.

Currently, I really think the KTM range of enduro bikes are by far the most reliable. Look at my "Look What We Do On Weekends" thread and see how our bikes get punished. Gradually most of our riders have migrated to KTM because the other bikes just don't hold out. And before you accuse me of being biased, I've owned Yamaha WR's and YZ's (2T endure conversion), a GasGas EC300 and several other brands.
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Re: KTM: Ready to let you down…..
« Reply #50 on: July 13, 2016, 07:53:46 am »
Remember that the KTMs arent build to be reliable but rather to be a joy. While the jap bikes have a higher emphasis on reliability and less on pushing the boundaries of engineering.

Its the same with ranger vs hilux.

Less reliability is to be expected. This is an old debate

Most bullshit excuse I have yet read on WD's  :imaposer:

Explain? or do you always just give stupid opinions without reason?

There is exceptions everywhere,but
 go and abuse a 1300 yaris and a high performance 1400/1300 Alfa or whatever and see which lasts longer?
Go all out at top speed with a 690 KTM and a 660 tenere or R and see which takes you the furthest.
Go with your stock standard 3.0 D4D all out vs a chipped 3.0 D4D and see which gets you furthest.

To get more performance there is more mechanical stress. it doesnt take a degree to understand that.
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Re: KTM: Ready to let you down…..
« Reply #51 on: July 13, 2016, 08:20:00 am »
Remember that the KTMs arent build to be reliable but rather to be a joy. While the jap bikes have a higher emphasis on reliability and less on pushing the boundaries of engineering.

Its the same with ranger vs hilux.

Less reliability is to be expected. This is an old debate

Most bullshit excuse I have yet read on WD's  :imaposer:

Explain? or do you always just give stupid opinions without reason?

There is exceptions everywhere,but
 go and abuse a 1300 yaris and a high performance 1400/1300 Alfa or whatever and see which lasts longer?
Go all out at top speed with a 690 KTM and a 660 tenere or R and see which takes you the furthest.
Go with your stock standard 3.0 D4D all out vs a chipped 3.0 D4D and see which gets you furthest.

To get more performance there is more mechanical stress. it doesnt take a degree to understand that.
Ed Zachary.....look at the service manual...(not sure about the 690) but on the KTM300 it says change this at so many hours etc etc but nobody ever does...KTM's are raced with factory backing throughout the world so they know when parts need to be replaced etc. If you follow their instructions your bike will be more reliable. They also constantly upgrade parts that have an inferior design for example the water pump seal on the and the fuel filter on the 990. But hey if its got tits or wheels there is a good chance its going to give you shit :lol8:
« Last Edit: July 13, 2016, 03:44:28 pm by 1190 »
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Re: KTM: Ready to let you down…..
« Reply #52 on: July 13, 2016, 08:22:47 am »
Not all KTM's are unreliable. I think most will agree that the LC4 motor was not KTM's most reliable motor ever. I've owned 2 LC4's - both served me well, but let the new owners down. On both occasions the problems were due to poor maintenance though.

Currently, I really think the KTM range of enduro bikes are by far the most reliable. Look at my "Look What We Do On Weekends" thread and see how our bikes get punished. Gradually most of our riders have migrated to KTM because the other bikes just don't hold out. And before you accuse me of being biased, I've owned Yamaha WR's and YZ's (2T endure conversion), a GasGas EC300 and several other brands.

Soooo you are the problem then :laughing4: :peepwall: ::) ::) ;) ;)
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Re: KTM: Ready to let you down…..
« Reply #53 on: July 13, 2016, 08:27:09 am »
I have owned many many bikes, I actually lost count. The most unreliable brand for me so far of the bikes I owned is Yamaha and the most reliable KTM. The second most unreliable for me is BMW and then Suzuki. The second most reliable is Honda. I have never had any issue with any KTM I have owned and I have had issues with every Yamaha I have ever owned.

So am I saying KTM is a better brand than Yamaha.. NO. Is Yamaha better than KTM.. NO. I was just unlucky with my Yamhas and would buy one again if they sold a bike that suit my needs. Yamaha is not a bad brand but every Yamaha I had left me stranded. So is KTM that shit because you were left stranded with what seems a piece of shit abused example of both a 640 and 690??
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Re: KTM: Ready to let you down…..
« Reply #54 on: July 13, 2016, 08:27:23 am »

Although - it seems that KTM singles in the 650 class have more issues than its twins in the litre class?  Which begs the question - are high performance single engines in general less reliable that twins for d/s riding?  I would think so...

I have worked on all brands , and all give shit , bottom line , but the important bit is maintenance and how they are looked after , I suspect Altus's 690 was " deur sy gat getrek " by the previous owner .  
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Re: KTM: Ready to let you down…..
« Reply #55 on: July 13, 2016, 08:31:00 am »
I've owned x8 KTM's ranging from 125, 300, 640, 950S, 990S, 990R and now 1190R

Only one to leave me stranded once was the 640 with a corroded ignition switch (bike came from DBN)

Mabey the KTM's don't like you...  :pot:
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Re: KTM: Ready to let you down…..
« Reply #56 on: July 13, 2016, 08:56:00 am »

or do you always just give stupid opinions without reason?


You started with the stupid opinions.

Performance cars, bikes, anything can be reliable and are too, even though the components are more stressed than the non-performance ones.

Using performance as an excuse for something being unreliable is still a bullshit excuse.

Edit: Shorter lifespan due to higher performance does not equal unreliability - does not take a degree to understand that.
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Re: KTM: Ready to let you down…..
« Reply #57 on: July 13, 2016, 08:59:03 am »
Owned all the brands and mostly still do. Only one I destroyed (it was still under warranty) was a BMW. The rest are reliable all with their little quirks. Unlike women!

Repairs and maintenance are part of the fun even if they are on a trip.

Then again for some changing a fuse is the end of the world.
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Re: KTM: Ready to let you down…..
« Reply #58 on: July 13, 2016, 09:01:43 am »
Owned all the brands and mostly still do. Only one I destroyed (it was still under warranty) was a BMW. The rest are reliable all with their little quirks. Unlike women!

Repairs and maintenance are part of the fun even if they are on a trip.

Then again for some changing a fuse is the end of the world.

Exactly.

I currently own 4 different brands of bikes and 4 brands of cars, some of them farm implement class and some of them race ready.
All equally reliable, but all equally maintained too.
 

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Re: KTM: Ready to let you down…..
« Reply #59 on: July 13, 2016, 09:19:41 am »
I simply do not ride an unreliable bike  :thumleft:.











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