Author Topic: Archie's TE610 thread - Now for sale (R45k) (Read 17957 times)

chopperpilot · « **Reply #80 on:** September 18, 2016, 09:21:23 pm »

Why are they worn? Do they rub somewhere on the outside of the clutch basket? If so, that could be a concern.

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Archangel · « **Reply #81 on:** September 18, 2016, 09:26:59 pm »

Not sure why they are warn. I just read this post of Straatkat and decided to have a look.

Here are some of his pics:

BiG DoM · « **Reply #82 on:** September 18, 2016, 09:29:10 pm »

I wouldn't worry about that spring - when out just dress the edge of the retaining lip with a file.

The easiest way to get the rivets out is to grind them flat with an angle grinder and then punch them out. The new washers can be flattened with a peel hammer but I just took mine to the local clutch and brake guys who had a pneumatic hammer that did it quick-quick.

Straatkat · « **Reply #83 on:** September 18, 2016, 09:38:33 pm »

Yes Arch and mine had only 10000km on. Yours will be much worse unless it was only ridden to church on Sundays by an old lady!
I suggest you change the plate and the springs, they are not expensive, part numbers are on the paper I sent you with the washers. The clutch works hard, dont take chances.
The spring set up is a cush drive that saves your drivetrain by removing the shock when you let the clutch out. Ever felt a slight pause or delay in power when you pull off? That is the springs loading up and absorbing the shock of you letting the clutch out.

Archangel · « **Reply #84 on:** September 18, 2016, 09:44:21 pm »

Quote from: Straatkat on September 18, 2016, 09:38:33 pm

Yes Arch and mine had only 10000km on. Yours will be much worse unless it was only ridden to church on Sundays by an old lady!
I suggest you change the plate and the springs, they are not expensive, part numbers are on the paper I sent you with the washers. The clutch works hard, dont take chances.
The spring set up is a cush drive that saves your drivetrain by removing the shock when you let the clutch out. Ever felt a slight pause or delay in power when you pull off? That is the springs loading up and absorbing the shock of you letting the clutch out.

Perhaps if I place my order for the springs and plates now, the parts will be hear in time for the 30 000 km service.

The springs are obviously too stiff for me to move. Once I've taken them out, I'll re-assemble without the springs to see what moves where. I like to understand these things. I'm already much more comfortable with this bike now than two weeks ago.

Rather the devil you know...

Straatkat · « **Reply #85 on:** September 18, 2016, 09:46:11 pm »

The plate holds the springs in their place and with those slots worn in them how are they going to do their job? Replace it! And if you have to wait for the part anyway, replace the springs also then your clutch assembly is better than new.

chopperpilot · « **Reply #86 on:** September 18, 2016, 09:54:38 pm »

Achie

If you can find out the pricing for the springs and plate, I might order with you.👍

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Archangel · « **Reply #87 on:** September 18, 2016, 09:55:26 pm »

Quote from: Straatkat on September 18, 2016, 09:46:11 pm

The plate holds the springs in their place and with those slots worn in them how are they going to do their job? Replace it!

Fair comment.

Quote from: Straatkat on September 18, 2016, 09:46:11 pm

And if you have to wait for the part anyway, replace the springs also then your clutch assembly is better than new.

Well that's just the thing. I'm not planning on waiting for parts and then not have a bike (earliest AFAIK is 6 weeks from placement of order). I'll fix it best I can for now, close everything up and ride the damn bike. In the meantime, I'll place the order for a new set of springs, plate and rivets.

Archangel · « **Reply #88 on:** September 18, 2016, 10:02:17 pm »

Quote from: chopperpilot on September 18, 2016, 09:54:38 pm

Achie

If you can find out the pricing for the springs and plate, I might order with you.

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PM me your number. I'll post prices and lead times on here tomorrow.

Here's the parts fiche, in case anybody else was looking for it...

http://docs.wavenetworks.us/parts//2008%20610%20Parts.pdf

Item 51, part no: 8000 79311 - Plate
Item 52, part no: 8000 79310 - Spring

chopperpilot · « **Reply #89 on:** September 18, 2016, 10:24:56 pm »

PM sent. Thank you! 😉

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Straatkat · « **Reply #90 on:** September 19, 2016, 07:23:29 am »

I fixed my plate temporarily by welding up the worn parts and put it back while I waited for the parts, I am back in my shop on wednesday can look if I still have it and maby some less worn springs I can send you as an emergency fix, rhen you can at least ride the wild pony in the meantime.

Kykdaar · « **Reply #91 on:** September 19, 2016, 07:33:56 am »

Some news on the spares front - especially for Dom

Apparantly there was a glitch in the global parts system that affected both KTM and Husqvarna for 3 weeks. Now resolved. A number of parts I was waiting for arrived together.

Archangel · « **Reply #92 on:** September 19, 2016, 09:42:04 am »

OK, had the rivets removed this morning. So this is where we stand...

Some close ups of the plate.

Should I be worried about the wear on the clutch basket?

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Archangel · « **Reply #93 on:** September 19, 2016, 09:55:51 am »

BTW, luckily all the washers are still there. Some are far more worn than others. One washer has a very flat side and one is almost completely warn through in the middle, while some of the others look like they are brand new.

Archangel · « **Reply #94 on:** September 19, 2016, 10:33:48 am »

New plates from Eddy2Race are R180 a pop with 2-3 weeks lead time (it might be here sooner though).

I'm placing an order for Chopper and myself.

[EDIT] Let me know before 3pm if you want to add your name to the list for placing orders atEddy2Race...

BiG DoM · « **Reply #95 on:** September 19, 2016, 04:03:56 pm »

Phew I must say that that cover plate looks worse than I thought - good move to replace it. What km is on the bike - mine is identical model and year and did not look nearly as shagged!?

If it had been a SM model I could understand. Honestly I have seen quite a few pics on CF but cannot recall the cover plates being as worn as yours and Streetcat's

The wear on those fingers on the basket is also pretty normal - I had a some and also just dressed it with a file. Seen much worse that have been filed smooth on KDX's etc.

What has the clutch felt like? Grabby?

Archangel · « **Reply #96 on:** September 19, 2016, 04:16:31 pm »

Quote from: BiG DoM on September 19, 2016, 04:03:56 pm

Phew I must say that that cover plate looks worse than I thought - good move to replace it. What km is on the bike - mine is identical model and year and did not look nearly as shagged!? If it had been a SM model I could understand. Honestly I have seen quite a few pics on CF but cannot recall the cover plates being as worn as yours and Streetcat's The wear on those fingers on the basket is also pretty normal - I had a some and also just dressed it with a file. Seen much worse that have been filed smooth on KDX's etc. What has the clutch felt like? Grabby?

Not sure. I thought the difference was purely due the different nature of the clutch that I'm used to, coming from the 950 which has a relatively smooth hydraulic clutch. I can't specifically recall it being more grabby than my KTM 450 or 525 or XT600. $:-\$

I'll let you know if I can tell the difference after replacement.

Straatkat · « **Reply #97 on:** September 19, 2016, 05:22:47 pm »

The reason why some washers are compltely gone and others still look OK is the surfaces on the gear where they work. Those oblong holes are sheared out and some are rougher than others, so the washers that were on the smoother surfaces are still fine and the ones on the rough sheared edges are chewed up, that is why you must smoothen the edges in the gear where the washers work. It is very important.
BD the clutch is unaffected by the washers being worn as they only serve as a cush drive. Unless the springs and the plate is so worn that it catches on something....but it would have to be investigated and I assume would have to be much, much more worn for that to happen. Mine showed no change in clutch action when I replaced the washers and plate

chopperpilot · « **Reply #98 on:** September 19, 2016, 08:27:12 pm »

Quote from: Kykdaar on September 19, 2016, 07:33:56 am

Some news on the spares front - especially for Dom

Apparantly there was a glitch in the global parts system that affected both KTM and Husqvarna for 3 weeks. Now resolved. A number of parts I was waiting for arrived together.

chopperpilot · « **Reply #99 on:** September 19, 2016, 08:43:47 pm »

Thanks for your help with the parts order Archie!

Regarding the operation of the clutch. I would regard mine as normal, and fine for me.

I gave the bike a strip down and major service when I got it. This included dripping WD 40 in the clutch cable till it ran out the bottom of the cable. Cable routing was fine. The clutch lever was worn and loose. The wear was on the opposite side of the plastic washer at the pivot point. De-greased, sanded, Pratley Steel, sanded, greased. I also applied grease to the inner cable at both ends.

There is a huge difference in my and Straatkat's 610's clutch action. I wouldn't even bother with a hydraulic unit! (We have discussed this before.)