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Re: Yamaha WR450 or BMW G450X??
« Reply #20 on: August 31, 2016, 08:59:48 pm »
If you buy any KTM will you not be back in the hands of KTM Cape Town? :eek7:

Exactly my point. That is why I am trying to avoid that option at the moment. Unless there is other reputable workshops to assist. For some reason I just don't have faith in the brand. Despite the pedigree
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Re: Yamaha WR450 or BMW G450X??
« Reply #21 on: August 31, 2016, 09:01:46 pm »
If you don't care about warranty which is expired on older bikes like 525 anyway (is there a warranty on new dirt bikes?), why would you worry about KTM CT? Is there nobody else who can service KTMs in CT? I'm sure you can get parts overnight from Joburg easily.

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Re: Yamaha WR450 or BMW G450X??
« Reply #22 on: August 31, 2016, 09:51:56 pm »
Out of those 2 the WR is a no brainer but why limit yourself? Just keep an eye out here and you're bound to pick up a gem sooner or later. The Honda CFR450X is also a great bike as is the Kwaker KLX450 like Andrews  :thumleft: Old KTMs I personally wouldn't touch with a barge pole but that's just me  >:D
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Re: Yamaha WR450 or BMW G450X??
« Reply #23 on: August 31, 2016, 10:15:33 pm »
After the last one I may be the wrong guy to be giving you an answer 👍
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Re: Yamaha WR450 or BMW G450X??
« Reply #24 on: August 31, 2016, 10:15:46 pm »
If you don't care about warranty which is expired on older bikes like 525 anyway (is there a warranty on new dirt bikes?), why would you worry about KTM CT? Is there nobody else who can service KTMs in CT? I'm sure you can get parts overnight from Joburg easily.

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Re: Yamaha WR450 or BMW G450X??
« Reply #25 on: August 31, 2016, 10:23:48 pm »
Maybe ask 2 x Amageza winner Bonova why he chose the BMW

Can't remember ever seeing a WR on the podium  ;)
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Re: Yamaha WR450 or BMW G450X??
« Reply #26 on: August 31, 2016, 10:25:50 pm »
Oh, and go check Dakar stats as well  :biggrin:
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Re: Yamaha WR450 or BMW G450X??
« Reply #27 on: August 31, 2016, 10:40:02 pm »
Oh, and go check Dakar stats as well  :biggrin:

And then look at sales stats, and the loooong G450 production run. ;)

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Re: Yamaha WR450 or BMW G450X??
« Reply #28 on: September 01, 2016, 06:48:33 am »
Out of those 2 the WR is a no brainer but why limit yourself? Just keep an eye out here and you're bound to pick up a gem sooner or later. The Honda CFR450X is also a great bike as is the Kwaker KLX450 like Andrews  :thumleft: Old KTMs I personally wouldn't touch with a barge pole but that's just me  >:D

Thanks Buff. Actually thought about the CRF as well.
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Re: Yamaha WR450 or BMW G450X??
« Reply #29 on: September 01, 2016, 06:59:01 am »
Oh, and go check Dakar stats as well  :biggrin:

For shits and giggles I went looking for this, the last time BMW entered the Dakar was in 2011. Their hopes was for the top 15 but the motorad team could only manage top 30 and the privateer at no 70 of 90 bikes that finished.
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Re: Yamaha WR450 or BMW G450X??
« Reply #30 on: September 01, 2016, 07:04:28 am »
For not wanting to hijack this thread I did find something else but started a new thread for that.
http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=198424.0
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Re: Yamaha WR450 or BMW G450X??
« Reply #31 on: September 01, 2016, 07:12:11 am »
Calling all the experts out there.

Which of these would you choose if the price and condition was similar?

Let's go back to the original question

My answer Yamaha - only because it has a kickstart and the bmw kymco loncin does not

But then I must ask what do you want to do with the bike ?

If its just general putting around and not racing then almost any of the 450s made by the big boys in the last 8 - 10 years will be fine

Let's also assume that you have a max budget of R35 000 to spend on a toy like this - bikes like these are being advertised for anything from R25 000 - R40 000

Most important is condition and regular religious maintenance over the years - if this has not been done and cannot be proven then you are buying a potentially bottomless money pit

My order of preference

1. ktm 450 or 525 with RFS engine - because they have a 6 speed gearbox and overhead adjustable style tappets to set valve clearances - you don't have to take cams out to shim it - very important for my lazy ass
2. Husqvarna te450 or 510 - I had a te450 that is now with Crossed-Up - awesome bike - also has 6 speed gearbox
2. Yamaha wr450
3. bmw g450x - does not have a kickstart - riding a bike is much better than pushing it
4. Honda crf 450 - but you must look for one that has valves done
5. Kawasaki klx 450
6. Suzuki drz400 - bit of a donkey but reliable - no kickstart
7. Honda xr400r - ditto - kickstart only I think


« Last Edit: September 01, 2016, 07:13:10 am by JustBendIt »
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Re: Yamaha WR450 or BMW G450X??
« Reply #32 on: September 01, 2016, 08:26:46 am »
Great reply. Thanks Justin
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Re: Yamaha WR450 or BMW G450X??
« Reply #33 on: September 01, 2016, 10:26:13 am »
I'm no BM fan boy but for what you want to do I'd take the BM. Chris from Flying Brick uses the little GS and it makes a great rough tourer. I road the bike in Baviaans a while back and despite a Kak seat it was awesome. Light, turns well, smooth motor and plenty of available accessories. Add a rear fuel tank,oil cooler and little screen and away you go.

Kymco make great engines so no worries there.

If you were buying to do Enduro then another story, but trails and touring the BM.

Chances of getting one that hasn't been abused is also more likely for the BM.   
 

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Re: Yamaha WR450 or BMW G450X??
« Reply #34 on: September 01, 2016, 10:38:57 am »
I'm no BM fan boy but for what you want to do I'd take the BM. Chris from Flying Brick uses the little GS and it makes a great rough tourer. I road the bike in Baviaans a while back and despite a Kak seat it was awesome. Light, turns well, smooth motor and plenty of available accessories. Add a rear fuel tank,oil cooler and little screen and away you go.

Kymco make great engines so no worries there.

If you were buying to do Enduro then another story, but trails and touring the BM.

Chances of getting one that hasn't been abused is also more likely for the BM.   

Thanks WildWood. Appreciate objective feedback like this.

Hy head says WR, but my heart says BMW.

Just seems like the owners of the BM's in good condition wants too much for them.
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Re: Yamaha WR450 or BMW G450X??
« Reply #35 on: September 01, 2016, 10:43:09 am »
WR250F

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This guy is making sense, but I feel only for someone who's going to do technical trail riding for a couple of hours or taking part in a funduro. If I read between the lines about KarooKid's requirements, he'll be travelling some distance on tar to get to trail with some technical sections that will be difficult with a 1190/1200 class bike. I was in the same situation and did the postal route with a roadworthy CRF230. The bike handles great in sand and slow technical sections, but just lacks that 170cc worth of power to lift the front wheel over a pothole when you're in the wrong gear. So you constantly need to play with the gears to keep the motor on the boil just in case. I now have a roadworthy 400 which will do 100km of tar (at 110km/h) with ease and handle quite well (with my limited skill) in technical sections. It has plenty of power to lift the front wheel over potholes, even if you're in the wrong gear - which I feel makes for a more comfortable ride. That being said, I also feel that a 650 would be too much bike for me in these types of conditions. The 400 is the sweet spot for me.

The difference between a WR250F and CRF230 is like the difference between a 911 and a beetle. I would imagine that the power to weight ratio of the WR250F is also better than the DRZ400. Also the WR has a 6 speed gearbox.

The new reverse motor WR250's go like shit off a shovel, and are just as reliable as the WR450's.
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Re: Yamaha WR450 or BMW G450X??
« Reply #36 on: September 01, 2016, 11:13:26 am »
Hy head says WR, but my heart says BMW.

Just seems like the owners of the BM's in good condition wants too much for them.

In my mind it should be the other way around. Your head should say bmw and your heart WR.

I gather you want to do more trails and rough touring than racing and enduro or technical.

The only reason I would buy the BMW over the WR is if the cost is lower and they normally are roadworthy.
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Re: Yamaha WR450 or BMW G450X??
« Reply #37 on: September 01, 2016, 12:12:54 pm »
Oh, and go check Dakar stats as well  :biggrin:

For shits and giggles I went looking for this, the last time BMW entered the Dakar was in 2011. Their hopes was for the top 15 but the motorad team could only manage top 30 and the privateer at no 70 of 90 bikes that finished.

Did not for one moment imply running as top runner but more their ability to finish as well as reliability.

Wildwood actually said what I wanted to say, just a bit better  ;D

 
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Re: Yamaha WR450 or BMW G450X??
« Reply #38 on: September 01, 2016, 12:40:18 pm »
Oh, and go check Dakar stats as well  :biggrin:

For shits and giggles I went looking for this, the last time BMW entered the Dakar was in 2011. Their hopes was for the top 15 but the motorad team could only manage top 30 and the privateer at no 70 of 90 bikes that finished.

Did not for one moment imply running as top runner but more their ability to finish as well as reliability.

Wildwood actually said what I wanted to say, just a bit better  ;D

 

Indeed my reply was merely stating fact and not opinion... So more like " out of curiosity " I wanted to see what the actual result was. the wiki article states their aim was top 15. In fact somewhere around stage 11 is where things went wrong that's when they moved from 13th overall to top 30 and this was due to navigation issues not bike related.
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Re: Yamaha WR450 or BMW G450X??
« Reply #39 on: September 01, 2016, 12:40:28 pm »
Charl, If you want to do funduro's, play at Atlantis or Maccaser , do short or longer tours, etc. why not sell the GS and get a HP2? :biggrin: