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800cc Ktm a reality?
« on: September 26, 2016, 06:28:43 am »
Good news arrives from Mattighofen as the KTM CEO Stefan Pierer confirms that the new "800cc" platform is more than a mere distant project, and not one, but two bikes based on it will be unveiled this year. We added the quotation mark because we, in fact, expect that KTM sticks to their naming habits and throw in the x90 thing.

The fact that KTM was working on a new "800cc" Duke was not exactly secret, as spy shots surfaced earlier this year. Still, the new element Mr. Pierer introduces, the 790 Adventure (assumed, name, not an official position, yet), reveals a much more complex set of plans.

 If anything, we cannot help thinking about the old 690 machines a decade ago. Namely, it's the LC4 platform that had the 690 Adventure, 690 Duke and the 690 SMC on the streets, three bikes that used to meet almost all the requirements of riders searching for a middleweight machine.

 Apparently, KTM has all but forgotten how lucrative such an approach is and plans to replicate the recipe with the new motorcycles. In a way, we can see this move as a natural one that follows the trend of increasing the displacement of the engines being used throughout the industry. We saw multiple manufacturers doing this, with Ducati and Triumph only being the first two names that come to mind.

 Now, there is no rumor on KTM planning a supermotard based on the 800cc platform, even though they very well might just do that. A smaller sibling of the mighty 1290 Super Duke R beast is not only feasible, but it might also fill in a special market slot, that of people in search of an excellent road bike for everyday use that could also shred rubber on the track.

 Back to the 790 Adventure, KTM is clearly lining the BMW F800GS/GSA and the Triumph Tiger 800 down their sights. Dropping the V architecture might have some orange fans raising an eyebrow, but we're positive that they'd come to better feelings once they rode the bike.

 If the new middleweight adventure machine can keep the low COG and the low-rpm torque abundance that's become one of the KTM trademarks, the 790 Adventure might give Hinckley and Munich quite a run for their money.

 KTM now has a ton of expertise in adventure bikes, backed by a lot of high-end technologies that add to both comfort and safety, so we are already looking at exceptional premises for an excellent machine. Priced wisely and equipped well enough in its base trim, the 790 Adventure might be an exceedingly tempting choice for those who are not ready to take on the 1190 or 1290 beasts.

 KTM could even add cornering ABS as optional equipment whereas we can expect that multi-mapping, ABS, and traction control will be standard. Technically, there is so much Mattighofen has at their disposal that it's almost inconceivable to see the 790 machines faring anything than stellar. Whether it will be at the Intermot or EICMA, we'll most likely find out soon.

Read more: http://www.autoevolution.com/news/ktm-builds-an-800cc-platform-800-duke-and-800-adventure-expected-109027.html#ixzz4LKiX0z8f


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Re: 800cc Ktm a reality?
« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2016, 09:19:10 am »
If they can keep the weight down to max 185kg wet it will be a winner! :snorting:

Looking forward to this..
 

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Re: 800cc Ktm a reality?
« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2016, 09:28:15 am »
If they can keep the weight down to max 185kg wet it will be a winner! :snorting:

Looking forward to this..

Not going to happen, but I think the more important question is where the weight is.
The new AT for example is (reasonably) heavy but the weight is low down so it still feels light.
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Re: 800cc Ktm a reality?
« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2016, 09:30:52 am »
All I can hope for is that in the looks department, they follow something like the 990 or 690 rally kitted bike.

If it looks anything like the 1050/1190, I won't look twice.  (With no offence to those owners - personal preference)
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Re: 800cc Ktm a reality?
« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2016, 10:32:45 am »
All I can hope for is that in the looks department, they follow something like the 990 or 690 rally kitted bike.

If it looks anything like the 1050/1190, I won't look twice.  (With no offence to those owners - personal preference)

I agree, the 1190 type "adventure" bikes is to me about as attractive as a fat woman in a leopard skin leotard. But even at 180kgs wet it is still a formidable
thing to manhandle. So definitely also aimed at the AT/Sten/GS class.
 

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Re: 800cc Ktm a reality?
« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2016, 11:39:28 am »
With the modern DS bikes I think KTM will do well to get it sub 200kg.
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Re: 800cc Ktm a reality?
« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2016, 11:44:34 am »
Light, cheap, strong. Pick two.
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Re: 800cc Ktm a reality?
« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2016, 12:06:48 pm »
 twin?
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« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2016, 12:21:03 pm »
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twin?

Jip and seems it is going to be parallel too   :thumleft:

Parallel twin with "cross plane" crank just make SO MUCH sense in all departments for all manufacturers --- less weight, minus one head , cheaper production costs, less parts, same temp for both cylinders, it is nearly like halving the motor.

Must say we will have to give it to Yamaha (AFAIK) for coming up with this outside the box idea (cross plane crank) of instead of building two heads for a V, put them together and just offset the crank.  AFAIK Yamaha R1 was the first with the cross plane crank ?



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Re: 800cc Ktm a reality?
« Reply #9 on: September 26, 2016, 01:12:24 pm »
phoned KTM SA to find out realistic time span:

likely NAked bike (800 platform) in 2017
Adventure 800 in 2018.
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Re: 800cc Ktm a reality?
« Reply #10 on: September 26, 2016, 03:36:59 pm »
phoned KTM SA to find out realistic time span:

likely NAked bike (800 platform) in 2017
Adventure 800 in 2018.
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Re: 800cc Ktm a reality?
« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2016, 06:03:02 pm »
Are any of you really gonna buy a brand new, first generation, KTM adventure bike?

I wouldn't .......................
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Re: 800cc Ktm a reality?
« Reply #12 on: September 26, 2016, 06:19:59 pm »
By the time we get, it won't be new anymore.  :thumleft:
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Re: 800cc Ktm a reality?
« Reply #13 on: September 27, 2016, 09:56:40 am »
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twin?

Jip and seems it is going to be parallel too   :thumleft:

Parallel twin with "cross plane" crank just make SO MUCH sense in all departments for all manufacturers --- less weight, minus one head , cheaper production costs, less parts, same temp for both cylinders, it is nearly like halving the motor.

Must say we will have to give it to Yamaha (AFAIK) for coming up with this outside the box idea (cross plane crank) of instead of building two heads for a V, put them together and just offset the crank.  AFAIK Yamaha R1 was the first with the cross plane crank ?





You're wrong. It was Yamaha as far as i know but it was MUCH earlier and it actually also was a twin:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamaha_TRX850

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Re: 800cc Ktm a reality?
« Reply #14 on: September 27, 2016, 10:57:18 am »
Yes LeCap, the TRX850 was an astounding motorcycle, but missed by mainstream riders.

It was a dry-sump, but it held all it's oil in the engine. Check that out.
 

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« Reply #15 on: September 28, 2016, 12:03:00 pm »
Yes LeCap, the TRX850 was an astounding motorcycle, but missed by mainstream riders.

It was a dry-sump, but it held all it's oil in the engine. Check that out.

The TRX and TDM had inherited the dry sump engine from the XTZ 750 Super Ténéré. The oil tank was inside the crank case on top of the gear box. A very tidy solution.
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Re: 800cc Ktm a reality?
« Reply #16 on: September 28, 2016, 12:25:59 pm »
Yes LeCap, the TRX850 was an astounding motorcycle, but missed by mainstream riders.

It was a dry-sump, but it held all it's oil in the engine. Check that out.

The TRX and TDM had inherited the dry sump engine from the XTZ 750 Super Ténéré. The oil tank was inside the crank case on top of the gear box. A very tidy solution.

what sort of volume? Did the gearbox run in the same oil?
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« Reply #17 on: September 28, 2016, 06:40:05 pm »
Yes, the 3.6 liter oil capacity serviced the engine and gearbox/clutch.
 

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Re: 800cc Ktm a reality?
« Reply #18 on: September 28, 2016, 07:44:32 pm »
Hope the looks are the same as 990 and that they distribute the weight properly.


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Re: 800cc Ktm a reality?
« Reply #19 on: September 29, 2016, 07:26:06 am »
There was a trx at Distinguished gentlemens ride, I drooled over i quite a bit.
About the best looking bike between all the bland cafe racers.