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Re: 800cc Ktm a reality?
« Reply #20 on: September 29, 2016, 09:59:10 am »
There was a trx at Distinguished gentlemens ride, I drooled over i quite a bit.
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« Reply #21 on: October 01, 2016, 09:48:51 am »
Are any of you really gonna buy a brand new, first generation, KTM adventure bike?

I wouldn't .......................
I'm not doing that again either.
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Re: 800cc Ktm a reality?
« Reply #22 on: October 01, 2016, 11:41:35 am »
I hope Yamaha brings out a 700 Tenere using the MT07 engine. That will give everything a run for money.
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Re: 800cc Ktm a reality?
« Reply #23 on: October 01, 2016, 11:47:08 am »
I wonder why none of bike manufacturers have developed a VR2 similar to the VR6 found in VWs this gives the best of a parallel and V engine.
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Re: 800cc Ktm a reality?
« Reply #24 on: October 02, 2016, 08:02:08 am »
I wonder why none of bike manufacturers have developed a VR2 similar to the VR6 found in VWs this gives the best of a parallel and V engine.

And yet the VR6 is just about the only engine having had this construction. No benefits IMO, one cylinder head yes, but that is more of a drawback than an advantage. In the case of irrepairable damage to one of the heads, the "normal V6 will have to have only one head replaced.
 

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Re: Re: 800cc Ktm a reality?
« Reply #25 on: October 03, 2016, 08:41:52 am »
Are any of you really gonna buy a brand new, first generation, KTM adventure bike?

I wouldn't .......................
I'm not doing that again either.
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Re: 800cc Ktm a reality?
« Reply #26 on: October 03, 2016, 08:56:23 am »
Yes, but the suspension will have bugger-all travel and no adjustability.
 

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Re: 800cc Ktm a reality?
« Reply #27 on: October 03, 2016, 09:47:43 am »
I wonder why none of bike manufacturers have developed a VR2 similar to the VR6 found in VWs this gives the best of a parallel and V engine.

And yet the VR6 is just about the only engine having had this construction. No benefits IMO, one cylinder head yes, but that is more of a drawback than an advantage. In the case of irrepairable damage to one of the heads, the "normal V6 will have to have only one head replaced.

I saw a Lancia circa 1920's with a narrow angle V4, even the Fulvia in the early 1960's used one.  8)
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Re: 800cc Ktm a reality?
« Reply #28 on: October 03, 2016, 09:54:55 am »
I wonder why none of bike manufacturers have developed a VR2 similar to the VR6 found in VWs this gives the best of a parallel and V engine.

And yet the VR6 is just about the only engine having had this construction. No benefits IMO, one cylinder head yes, but that is more of a drawback than an advantage. In the case of irrepairable damage to one of the heads, the "normal V6 will have to have only one head replaced.

Not true, they are used all over the VW family, for example the Bugatti has a W16 which is the same concept. Audi, VW and Bently use a W12 version of the engine.

But thinking about it,it does not make sense for a 2 cylinder engine as you only gain a couple of mm in total length over a parallel twin. It would make good sense in a triple or 4 cylinder though.
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Re: 800cc Ktm a reality?
« Reply #29 on: October 03, 2016, 01:25:50 pm »
Yes, but the suspension will have bugger-all travel and no adjustability.

Said in jest, no doubt?

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Re: 800cc Ktm a reality?
« Reply #30 on: October 03, 2016, 01:27:46 pm »
The VR6's advantages are irrelevant for most bikes needs.

The reason for the Volkswagen VR6 was it is the only possible six cylinder configuration which fits into an engine compartment which was sized to carry transversely mounted straight fours. A V6 would have required a massive redesign of the engine compartment, a straight six would simply have been too long and a four cylinder can not be up - scaled without limits without making it buzzy and uncivilised.
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Re: 800cc Ktm a reality?
« Reply #31 on: October 03, 2016, 02:13:04 pm »
Yes, but the suspension will have bugger-all travel and no adjustability.

Said in jest, no doubt?

The last of the 950s was an S  ;D

No, not really.  Have a look at what came after the 950S, ie the 990 suspension progression.  Even the 690 shows the same trend.  My 2011 had 275mm travel, now they are at 250mm with almost no adjustability left.
 

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Re: 800cc Ktm a reality?
« Reply #32 on: October 03, 2016, 03:44:15 pm »
Yes, but the suspension will have bugger-all travel and no adjustability.

Said in jest, no doubt?

The last of the 950s was an S  ;D

No, not really.  Have a look at what came after the 950S, ie the 990 suspension progression.  Even the 690 shows the same trend.  My 2011 had 275mm travel, now they are at 250mm with almost no adjustability left.

They are still fully adjustable.
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Re: 800cc Ktm a reality?
« Reply #33 on: November 08, 2016, 02:42:47 pm »

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Re: 800cc Ktm a reality?
« Reply #34 on: November 08, 2016, 02:49:43 pm »
not much of an adv bike  :biggrin:
 

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Re: 800cc Ktm a reality?
« Reply #35 on: November 08, 2016, 03:38:07 pm »
The following comes from MCN and is the same as what was said in the KTM press conference at EICMA just now (other than the bit about the Husky).  All in all a bit of waffle and by the end of next year you will know for sure what the final Duke looks like.  No word or hint about an adventure model using the same engine.

This is the first official hint – beyond multiple spy shots and KTM boss Stefan Pierer confirming the 800’s existence to MCN during the summer – of the style and intent of KTM’s new family of middleweights.

Powered by an all-new parallel-twin engine of around 800cc, which the firm have dubbed the LC8c (with the ‘c’ apparently denoting ‘compact’), this Duke version looks likely to be the first arrival of what is certain to be a family of bikes from KTM and sister company, Husqvarna. Interestingly, the rumour mill suggests that Husky will debut an adventure styled 800 model during the Milan show.

Highlights

All-new 800cc parallel-twin
First of a new family of 800s
Custom rider modes & TC

KTM say the new 790 Duke will bring “unparalleled poise, telepathic levels of feedback and lightness that’s off the scale” to the mid-market – which all sounds good. With feet back on terra firma, the more likely certainties are that it’ll have a ride-by-wire throttle, multiple rider modes, multi-level traction control and integrated ‘MY RIDE’ connectivity. We wouldn’t be surprised to find a quickshifter, too.

This is all a little way off though, so don’t expect to be wandering into your local dealer with your bank details any time soon. We’d expect to see a production version of the 790 Duke unveiled this time next year, with the bike arriving in dealers in 2018. And it might not be alone if Husky are working on the adventure model, too.
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Re: 800cc Ktm a reality?
« Reply #37 on: December 08, 2016, 09:16:36 pm »
The two disks upfront is probably an indication of where the weight of the bike will be...
 

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Re: 800cc Ktm a reality?
« Reply #38 on: December 08, 2016, 10:10:42 pm »
That looks like a wet sumped engine?
I wonder where that gravel road goes? And that, has usually made all the difference. (Apologies to Mr Frost)

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Re: 800cc Ktm a reality?
« Reply #39 on: December 08, 2016, 10:15:49 pm »
And a cable clutch?
I wonder where that gravel road goes? And that, has usually made all the difference. (Apologies to Mr Frost)

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