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Re: 800cc Ktm a reality?
« Reply #60 on: December 10, 2016, 06:33:02 pm »
http://tashnews.com/ktms-secret-790-adventure-spied/

"KTM’s next adventure bike – the 790 Adventure, which isn’t expected to arrive in dealers until early 2019. KTM CEO, Stefan Pierer, recently confirmed to MCN that this model was under development, but also confirmed that we would see the 790 Duke roadster first, which is expected to arrive as a 2018 model – suggesting that this bike is still two years away from entering the range.
KTM 790 Adventure – Highlights

    All-new 790 parallel-twin
    Two new models
    Serious off-road ability
    Full LCD dash
    Twin fuel tanks

The new 790 will extend KTM’s already strong range of adventure bikes (see below), and is likely to add two models into the mix, following the firm’s well-trodden path of offering a road version, and a more aggressively off-road focused R version. This test mule looks likely to be the R version, with a 21” front rim, and 18” rear, as well as a massive pair of fuel tanks that could see it being capable of serious distances between fill-ups. It’s devoid of the trademark orange frame and engine-saving crash bars, but this is a very early  – and very black – prototype.

What stands out most is how seriously focused this prototype looks. There’s very little to suggest that this is a soft small capacity option for those deterred by the 1090 or 1290, but rather that this is an even more authentic world-crosser, capable of almost enduro bike levels of off-roading, while maintaining enough manners and refinement to tour on tarmac in comfort over long distances. Think of it more as an oversized versatile Dakar bike than an undersized globetrotter. It’s the true spiritual successor to the 640 Adventure that ran from 1997 to 2007 – and which was possibly a decade ahead of its time.

While the front-end appears to be wholly borrowed from the 1090R, the swingarm is different, and features a directly mounted monoshock, removing the complexity of a linkage, with the shock mounted more horizontally thanks to the space created by the parallel twin’s lack of a rear-facing cylinder – also helping to centralise mass, and delivering a package that’s far more accessible and simplistic for field maintenance.

Clearly missing any finished bodywork or lighting solutions, we can assume it’ll mirror the 1090’s bodywork fairly closely, while the photos reveal a huge LCD dash nestling upright in the front cowl. Beneath and behind the rider, the rear subframe is sizable and looks beefy enough to take a decent compliment of hard luggage.

This is a serious adventure tool that has the competition firmly in sight. As Pierer told MCN: “The Africa Twin needs to look out.”
The 790 Adventure in detail

Wheels

Running on DID Dirt Star rims, the front wheel is a 21”, while the rear is an 18” – which underlines this bike’s serious off-road intent. The rim sizes open the 790 up to the most serious off-road tyre options, while not precluding more dual-purpose options. The more road-focused standard bike is likely to run a 19/17” combination on cast wheels, just like the 1090 Adventure.

Engine

The configuration is clearly parallel-twin, making this the 790 engine that KTM have been developing for several years, and which will first be used in a 790 Duke model for 2018. While there are no specs available, KTM have already said that they are targeting the Africa Twin with this model in terms of overall performance, which means that while the KTM will likely boast slightly less power than the AT’s 94bhp, it should also have less mass to drag about, too.

Bodywork

This test mule has more gaffa tape than actual bodywork, but the silhouette is clear enough. The relative lack of final bodywork does have benefits, though. The twin fuel tanks are clearly visible, each with it’s own filler, and a crossover pipe running between the tanks. The front end is clearly devoid of its nose cowl and the split LED headlamp that’s sure to be fitted, while the rear end looks to be a hacked item from another model.

Rider aids

While there’s no way of identifying the rider aids fitted from these images (beyond the provision of ABS, which is a legal requirement) it seems highly likely that the new 790 will use the same systems fitted to the base model 1090, which means three rider modes for the stocker, and four for the R, plus multi-mode traction control and ABS.

Suspension

It all looks like pretty standard fare for a KTM adventure model here – with a fat fully-adjustable WP fork up front, and beefy fully adjustable monoshock at the rear. What is very clear from the images is that they are conventional units, with no hint of semi-active suspension on show. This isn’t a surprise, as cost and complexity aren’t welcome at this end of the adventure market."
 

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Re: 800cc Ktm a reality?
« Reply #61 on: December 10, 2016, 06:43:43 pm »
Why only 2019!?
 

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Re: 800cc Ktm a reality?
« Reply #62 on: December 11, 2016, 01:40:21 am »
Why only 2019!?

To give us time to save up  :peepwall:
 

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Re: 800cc Ktm a reality?
« Reply #63 on: December 12, 2016, 09:01:51 am »
"capable of almost enduro bike levels of off-roading"

 :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4:

Seriously, people throw the enduro word around way to easily.
 

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Re: 800cc Ktm a reality?
« Reply #64 on: December 12, 2016, 09:38:47 am »
KTM 450RR rallye bikes use the trellis frame without problems, same as the 690R.  If you put long enough suspension on it, it works perfectly.  So much easier to service the engine without the perimeter frame. 
 

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Re: 800cc Ktm a reality?
« Reply #65 on: December 12, 2016, 01:15:05 pm »
KTM 450RR rallye bikes use the trellis frame without problems, same as the 690R.  If you put long enough suspension on it, it works perfectly.  So much easier to service the engine without the perimeter frame.
from an engineering perspective a trellis frame makes so much sense, lots of triangulation easier to model and remember people have realized frames need to flex not just be rigid. 😎
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Re: 800cc Ktm a reality?
« Reply #66 on: December 12, 2016, 05:38:43 pm »
Why only 2019!?

More than 10 years after the BMW F800GS. It better be SERIOUSLY good when it lands.  :biggrin:

Can't they just make a nice 400-500 adventure and dominate that segment?

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Re: 800cc Ktm a reality?
« Reply #67 on: December 12, 2016, 05:41:59 pm »
I reckon the aluminium frame ala Japanese bikes offers minimal flex and makes a bike handle and turn faster but for an adventure bike trellis all the way, you need a little flex for comfort.
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Re: 800cc Ktm a reality?
« Reply #68 on: December 12, 2016, 05:48:46 pm »
Why only 2019!?

More than 10 years after the BMW F800GS. It better be SERIOUSLY good when it lands:biggrin:

Can't they just make a nice 400-500 adventure and dominate that segment?

Let's face it - it's not that difficult to do better than that, is it?

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Re: 800cc Ktm a reality?
« Reply #69 on: December 12, 2016, 09:33:13 pm »
Why only 2019!?

More than 10 years after the BMW F800GS. It better be SERIOUSLY good when it lands.  :biggrin:

Can't they just make a nice 400-500 adventure and dominate that segment?

Ja, but by then all of the other brands had already launched a similar bike! Then they are back at the beginning again. I really think some of these big firms are a bit dof..

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Re: 800cc Ktm a reality?
« Reply #70 on: December 13, 2016, 08:25:43 am »
If they can bring it in at <180kgs dry and 400km fuel range I'd buy one without a second thought
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Re: 800cc Ktm a reality?
« Reply #71 on: December 13, 2016, 12:50:14 pm »
Should be interesting the new Tenere 700 and the KTM 800  :sip:
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Re: 800cc Ktm a reality?
« Reply #72 on: December 13, 2016, 12:52:37 pm »
Should be interesting the new Tenere 700 and the KTM 800  :sip:
On balance though Yamaha tend to make their adv bikes quite heavy.
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« Reply #73 on: December 13, 2016, 01:05:52 pm »
Should be interesting the new Tenere 700 and the KTM 800  :sip:
On balance though Yamaha tend to make their adv bikes quite heavy.
True, over engineered but will be very tough. Ready for long trips right of the bat.
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Re: 800cc Ktm a reality?
« Reply #74 on: December 13, 2016, 02:29:40 pm »
More often than not ready for rescue right off the bat. 1 year later all fixed and ready to go. :pot:
 

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Re: 800cc Ktm a reality?
« Reply #75 on: December 13, 2016, 03:21:47 pm »
Why only 2019? Guess they are still trying to work out how to seal the airbox!
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« Reply #76 on: December 13, 2016, 03:55:44 pm »
Why only 2019? Guess they are still trying to work out how to seal the airbox!

And to let the 1000 Honda have it`s 15 minutes of fame!
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Re: 800cc Ktm a reality?
« Reply #77 on: December 13, 2016, 03:58:16 pm »
Why only 2019? Guess they are still trying to work out how to seal the airbox!

And to let the 1000 Honda have it`s 15 minutes of fame!
Careful now, they will all come out the woodwork and wax lyrical about the build quality and reliability and power and stuff. :lol8:
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Re: 800cc Ktm a reality?
« Reply #78 on: December 13, 2016, 04:13:32 pm »
Why only 2019? Guess they are still trying to work out how to seal the airbox!

And to let the 1000 Honda have it`s 15 minutes of fame!
Careful now, they will all come out the woodwork and wax lyrical about the build quality and reliability and power and stuff. :lol8:
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Re: 800cc Ktm a reality?
« Reply #79 on: December 13, 2016, 04:45:41 pm »
Honda are serious about taking on KTM beware of the money they have it. Last year 250mx world chamopion this year 450mx world champion. I see a big team for the Dakar.this year new bike.I believe more adventure bikes coming. :pot: