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Re: Which panel van will take 2 x motorcycles ?
« Reply #40 on: May 29, 2017, 12:36:14 pm »
Sidetrack, did you ever conclude this investigation?  I'm thinking along the same lines.

Peugeot Boxer?
Nissan Interstar?

I heard these are a nightmare and should stay away from them.
 

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Re: Which panel van will take 2 x motorcycles ?
« Reply #41 on: May 29, 2017, 01:21:33 pm »
Sidetrack, did you ever conclude this investigation?  I'm thinking along the same lines.

Peugeot Boxer?
Nissan Interstar?
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Re: Which panel van will take 2 x motorcycles ?
« Reply #42 on: May 29, 2017, 02:14:28 pm »
Someone posted a photo of a ford tourneo with a 990R in the back a while ago. Maybe that can do the trick if you load them front to back?
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Re: Which panel van will take 2 x motorcycles ?
« Reply #43 on: May 29, 2017, 02:23:49 pm »
Someone posted a photo of a ford tourneo with a 990R in the back a while ago. Maybe that can do the trick if you load them front to back?

Dit was JK se broer se Transit Dwerg.  Ons het gesels oor die van maar die agter deur het wraggies net 130mm kort gekom of die 450 KTM het gepas.  :patch:

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=208931.msg3817177#msg3817177
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Re: Which panel van will take 2 x motorcycles ?
« Reply #44 on: May 29, 2017, 02:28:58 pm »
Compress forks using an MX launch thingie?

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Re: Which panel van will take 2 x motorcycles ?
« Reply #45 on: May 29, 2017, 02:30:44 pm »
Someone posted a photo of a ford tourneo with a 990R in the back a while ago. Maybe that can do the trick if you load them front to back?

Dit was JK se broer se Transit Dwerg.  Ons het gesels oor die van maar die agter deur het wraggies net 130mm kort gekom of die 450 KTM het gepas.  :patch:

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=208931.msg3817177#msg3817177

Is 'n 450 langer as 'n 990? Self gespeel met die van idee vir 'n ruk maar ek het nou 'n trailer
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Re: Which panel van will take 2 x motorcycles ?
« Reply #46 on: May 29, 2017, 02:35:56 pm »
Compress forks using an MX launch thingie?

Even compressed, the rally tower, and more specific the road book holder, is the problem.


Is 'n 450 langer as 'n 990? Self gespeel met die van idee vir 'n ruk maar ek het nou 'n trailer

Die rally conversion is die probleem Dwerg, selfs hoer as jou 690.
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Re: Which panel van will take 2 x motorcycles ?
« Reply #47 on: May 29, 2017, 02:52:30 pm »
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Re: Which panel van will take 2 x motorcycles ?
« Reply #48 on: May 29, 2017, 03:10:59 pm »
Hyundai 1.3T bakkie with canopy...
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Re: Which panel van will take 2 x motorcycles ?
« Reply #49 on: June 10, 2017, 07:28:34 am »
Your take on a 2002 Merc Sprinter diesel?


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Re: Which panel van will take 2 x motorcycles ?
« Reply #50 on: June 10, 2017, 11:32:22 am »
Code 10, so padwaardigheid elke jaar. PDP elke 2 jaar.  Of so iets.  Net nie moeite werd nie.  n Horsebox sal lekker agter jou Prado loop.
 

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Re: Which panel van will take 2 x motorcycles ?
« Reply #51 on: June 11, 2017, 05:54:29 pm »
Also both need code 10. however in camper version even the double wheel needs a 08 licence, I am loolking at doing a camper conversion in mine, but still able to fit 1 bike in the centre with all beds etc packed away for travel mode.

Is this the reason?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driving_licence_in_South_Africa
B Vehicles (except motorcycles) with tare weight of 3 500 kilograms or less; and minibuses, buses and goods vehicles with gross vehicle mass (GVM) of 3 500 kg or less. A trailer with GVM of 750 kg or less may be attached.
 

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Re: Which panel van will take 2 x motorcycles ?
« Reply #52 on: June 13, 2017, 12:07:46 pm »
Code 10, so padwaardigheid elke jaar. PDP elke 2 jaar.  Of so iets.  Net nie moeite werd nie.  n Horsebox sal lekker agter jou Prado loop.

Jip, dis 'n probleem.  Ek dink ek het nou genoeg gesoek en gaan my berus by wat ek het.  :thumleft:
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Re: Which panel van will take 2 x motorcycles ?
« Reply #53 on: June 14, 2017, 03:03:13 pm »
Moto101 had a thread on this recently if that is of any help.  Although some of those guys got too much spare change lying about. O0
 

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Re: Which panel van will take 2 x motorcycles ?
« Reply #54 on: June 14, 2017, 04:37:01 pm »
Also both need code 10. however in camper version even the double wheel needs a 08 licence, I am loolking at doing a camper conversion in mine, but still able to fit 1 bike in the centre with all beds etc packed away for travel mode.

Is this the reason?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driving_licence_in_South_Africa
B Vehicles (except motorcycles) with tare weight of 3 500 kilograms or less; and minibuses, buses and goods vehicles with gross vehicle mass (GVM) of 3 500 kg or less. A trailer with GVM of 750 kg or less may be attached.

I've got a Peugeot Boxer (same as Fiat Ducato). Love the thing. But it needs a code 10, which means roadworthy every year, which is a PITA. But I can fit three bikes in the back (including my rally bike and 990R, without removing any screens/mirrors), as well as my fridge and camping kit, and still have space to spare. I can stand upright in it (I'm over 6ft). And the load height is really low (it's a FWD) so you can just push the bikes up the ramp by yourself. Fuel consumption is pretty good: about 10l/100km on average (I travel at about 120-130km/h).

But after getting a R3500 fine for driving it with a code 8, I spent a long time phoning around and speaking to the authorities to see i there was a way around it; I never carry 2T in there! My current understanding is that you can't "convert" it into a camper once it's been registered as a goods vehicle over 3.5T. You have to do this when buying it new, because only the manufacturer can set GVM. Tare anyone can change, but nobody can adjust the GWM. It's tied to the chassis number.

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Re: Which panel van will take 2 x motorcycles ?
« Reply #55 on: June 14, 2017, 08:20:49 pm »
Also both need code 10. however in camper version even the double wheel needs a 08 licence, I am loolking at doing a camper conversion in mine, but still able to fit 1 bike in the centre with all beds etc packed away for travel mode.

Is this the reason?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driving_licence_in_South_Africa
B Vehicles (except motorcycles) with tare weight of 3 500 kilograms or less; and minibuses, buses and goods vehicles with gross vehicle mass (GVM) of 3 500 kg or less. A trailer with GVM of 750 kg or less may be attached.

I've got a Peugeot Boxer (same as Fiat Ducato). Love the thing. But it needs a code 10, which means roadworthy every year, which is a PITA. But I can fit three bikes in the back (including my rally bike and 990R, without removing any screens/mirrors), as well as my fridge and camping kit, and still have space to spare. I can stand upright in it (I'm over 6ft). And the load height is really low (it's a FWD) so you can just push the bikes up the ramp by yourself. Fuel consumption is pretty good: about 10l/100km on average (I travel at about 120-130km/h).

But after getting a R3500 fine for driving it with a code 8, I spent a long time phoning around and speaking to the authorities to see i there was a way around it; I never carry 2T in there! My current understanding is that you can't "convert" it into a camper once it's been registered as a goods vehicle over 3.5T. You have to do this when buying it new, because only the manufacturer can set GVM. Tare anyone can change, but nobody can adjust the GWM. It's tied to the chassis number.

From what you say it seems up to GVM of 3500kg and klaar.

But I don't understand the distinction between vehicles with 3500kg Tare and the goods vehicles/busses which work on GVM? IOW I can't operate a goods van of 2500kg which can take 1500kg load but it is fine to operate a camper of 3400kg even though I can load another 500kg?


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Re: Which panel van will take 2 x motorcycles ?
« Reply #56 on: June 15, 2017, 02:53:47 pm »
From what you say it seems up to GVM of 3500kg and klaar.
Yep, with code 8, you can't drive anything weighing more than 3500kg.

But I don't understand the distinction between vehicles with 3500kg Tare and the goods vehicles/busses which work on GVM? IOW I can't operate a goods van of 2500kg which can take 1500kg load but it is fine to operate a camper of 3400kg even though I can load another 500kg?

tare is the weight of the vehicle without the load/goods. GVM is the total weight of the whole thing when it's fully loaded. So, for example, you can buy a bakkie whos chassis is capable of hauling 2000kg (GVM), and If the vehicle itself weighs 1000kg (tare), then you can carry a 1T payload. But now if you fit 100kg worth of extra battery, longrange fueltanks, lighting accessories etc, then the vehicle itself now weighs 1100kg, so you can only legally carry 900kg load, since the GVM is fixed. The tare and payload can be fiddled by taking the vehicle to a weighbridge and filling out some paperwork. This often happens when landcruisers get converted for game viewing, for example.

GVM = tare + payload.

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Which panel van will take 2 x motorcycles ?
« Reply #57 on: June 16, 2017, 03:12:39 pm »
This is why I was asking about the Sprinter, but don't want the hassles associated.










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« Last Edit: June 16, 2017, 06:48:43 pm by ktmkobus »
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Re: Which panel van will take 2 x motorcycles ?
« Reply #58 on: June 16, 2017, 05:20:34 pm »
tare is the weight of the vehicle without the load/goods. GVM is the total weight of the whole thing when it's fully loaded. So, for example, you can buy a bakkie whos chassis is capable of hauling 2000kg (GVM), and If the vehicle itself weighs 1000kg (tare), then you can carry a 1T payload. But now if you fit 100kg worth of extra battery, longrange fueltanks, lighting accessories etc, then the vehicle itself now weighs 1100kg, so you can only legally carry 900kg load, since the GVM is fixed. The tare and payload can be fiddled by taking the vehicle to a weighbridge and filling out some paperwork. This often happens when landcruisers get converted for game viewing, for example.

GVM = tare + payload.

I understand that. My question is how can you drive a camper weighing 4500kg (Tare of 3500kg and then you can load say another 1000kg) on a code B licence but only 3500kg when it is a goods vehicle (restricted to GVM of 3500kg). See other posts above.

I looked at .gov website and they don't make a distinction between different code B weights. Just 3500kg GVM and klaar.
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Re: Which panel van will take 2 x motorcycles ?
« Reply #59 on: June 23, 2017, 08:50:11 am »
I understand that. My question is how can you drive a camper weighing 4500kg on a code B licence but only 3500kg when it is a goods vehicle. See other posts above.

Interesting. This was news to me. http://www.motorhomeclub.co.za/index.php/faq/92-motorhomes-driver-s-licences-and-motorhome-mass

The distinction appears to be purpose of use. If it's going to carry goods, then it's on GVM. If it's a motorhome, then it's tare-based.