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Offline Xpat

Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
« Reply #220 on: May 22, 2018, 03:54:46 pm »

Coincidentally, you're one of the first people who has admitted that the 690 suspension is crap. I said this ages ago after spending about 250km on one. Doesn't matter what you adjusted, it was harsh and quite frankly, unless you were pinning it full tilt, it just didn't perform. Even then, sharp edge hits would buck you all over the place. I've got a little CRF250 Rally now. The front suspension is very basic but it actually works. The back suspension on the other hand, well, let just say the standard Tenere suspension feels like race bike suspension in comparison.

I have to say however, of all the offroad (dirt bikes) brands I've owned, Yamaha has in general had the best suspension.

To me dumbing down of suspension seems like general trend across the manufacturers and happening even within the same models (690 at the beginning had OK suspension - same as 990 at the time, but over they years they just dumbed it down seriously).

As far as I can tell (and for full disclosure I haven't ridden most of those bikes, just read about them), by far the best suspension on any 'adv' bike was the one on KTM 640 Adventure. Next, 950's suspension, had somewhat compromised suspension in comparison, and it got worse further on with 990 (basically first 950 had the best, last 990, not that great). 690 originally had the same suspension as mid model of 990, and over the years it just got worse, particulaly with 2014 model when they came up with split forks (rebound dampening in one fork, compression in other). Looking at 790 Duke which has unadjustable forks, there seems to be real possibility they may do the same cheap trick on 790 R (they already went from hydro clutch to cable one).

While this is the most pronounced in KTM (mostly because they started on high level), this seems general trend. XT660Z was just plain bad, new AT based on some reports here doesn't seem to be the best either. And even on more dirt oriented bikes like Husky TE610, up to 2009 model (I think) they had proper fully adjustable suspension, later models had more compromised one (something couldn't be set-up - don't remember what), and TE630 had basically the same crap as X-Challenge (forks, shock was much better).

It is sad trend indeed, as suspension is for me together with lightweight the most important attribute of a bike for enjoyment and safety, but I guess that is what market dictates. As long as they make it easy for me to upgrade suspension relatively easily, I'm happy to spend the money to do so.

I'm past the point where I'm willing to have the whole front end (tripple clamps, wheel, etc.) redone, like I did on Tenere to get WP forks fitted in. Not because of the money, but because of the hassle. Plus it never really worked - while the front was great and extremely surefooted, the crap shock (even with Hyperpro spring) in combination with idiotic high rear end design of the bike made it downright dangerous, as few times I almost flew over handlebars kicked by the bike (and there were people who did).

Offline wolf skaap

Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
« Reply #221 on: May 22, 2018, 06:51:05 pm »
Xpat, don't misunderstand me, I didn't suggest the standard suspension is good, I was speaking of the bike in totality (I didn't really ask the question in context of the suspension alone, perhaps rather the potential). The standard suspension is pretty very shit but I bought my bike from Wolf Skaap who had already worked the suspension (front and back), put a single pipe, tail tidy, fat bars, wide pegs and had it tuned up and it wasn't turned into a tank with all sorts of other crap like crash bars. So with some mods, the bike is great. Mine was probably about 10kg lighter than the std one too. I had a drag against a KTM690 once and the 690 only pulled ahead by maybe 20m robot to robot so the thing went well too. Bottom line, the bike went well, handled well, had awesome fuel range, looked excellent and was ergonomically excellent other than the step in the seat. I don't know of too many bikes that are good off the showroom floor.

Haha yes that XTZ was also my favourite adv bike. Seeing as I used enduro bikes / XR's for adv, perhaps my opinion doesn't count for much.

I rode the shit out of that bike and never had any close moments (never even dropped it)

They just require a good set of tires, tuned suspension, as little weight as possible on the back and a little more skill than usual

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Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
« Reply #222 on: May 22, 2018, 06:58:51 pm »
I agree, there is no way that Yamaha will put SSS forks on the T7

I will go out of my way to add them myself.

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Offline blauth

Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
« Reply #223 on: May 23, 2018, 10:05:52 am »
Xpat, don't misunderstand me, I didn't suggest the standard suspension is good, I was speaking of the bike in totality (I didn't really ask the question in context of the suspension alone, perhaps rather the potential). The standard suspension is pretty very shit but I bought my bike from Wolf Skaap who had already worked the suspension (front and back), put a single pipe, tail tidy, fat bars, wide pegs and had it tuned up and it wasn't turned into a tank with all sorts of other crap like crash bars. So with some mods, the bike is great. Mine was probably about 10kg lighter than the std one too. I had a drag against a KTM690 once and the 690 only pulled ahead by maybe 20m robot to robot so the thing went well too. Bottom line, the bike went well, handled well, had awesome fuel range, looked excellent and was ergonomically excellent other than the step in the seat. I don't know of too many bikes that are good off the showroom floor.

Haha yes that XTZ was also my favourite adv bike. Seeing as I used enduro bikes / XR's for adv, perhaps my opinion doesn't count for much.

I rode the shit out of that bike and never had any close moments (never even dropped it)

They just require a good set of tires, tuned suspension, as little weight as possible on the back and a little more skill than usual

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Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
« Reply #224 on: May 25, 2018, 08:20:50 am »
So.... Mr Dakar himself, Stephane Peterhansel has taken the T7 out for a little spin....  :drif:   :eek7:  :thumleft:













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Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
« Reply #225 on: May 25, 2018, 08:24:54 am »
more....   :drif:









that is a tall bike...  :patch:
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Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
« Reply #226 on: May 25, 2018, 09:12:10 am »
You know this T7 is in all aspects probably better than his (Peterhansel)  YZE 750 Dakar bike ever was however in the eye of the modern "adventure riders" it's going to be heavy, under powered, mediocre suspension  and in general just not good enough  :lol8:
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Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
« Reply #227 on: May 25, 2018, 09:34:33 am »
So.... Mr Dakar himself, Stephane Peterhansel has taken the T7 out for a little spin....  :drif:   :eek7:  :thumleft:


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Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
« Reply #228 on: May 25, 2018, 10:17:13 am »
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Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
« Reply #229 on: May 26, 2018, 11:42:22 pm »
I'm not sure that it will have crappy suspension, the S10 has great suspension, I have yet to find the limit where it starts doing stupid things.
 

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« Reply #230 on: May 29, 2018, 09:17:59 am »
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Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
« Reply #231 on: May 29, 2018, 09:35:13 am »
So many new Bikes that are rolled out in the coming Year, to choose one will be very difficult. I have never owned a Yamaha but this looks like the real Deal.
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Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
« Reply #232 on: May 29, 2018, 10:17:36 am »
I'm not sure that it will have crappy suspension, the S10 has great suspension, I have yet to find the limit where it starts doing stupid things.

Was an adventure ride once with a bloke on a S10. Unfortunately for him, his suspension very much found it's limits and after hitting a washout, cartwheeled him over forwards. It didn't end well for him or the bike.

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Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
« Reply #233 on: May 29, 2018, 10:33:46 am »
I'm not sure that it will have crappy suspension, the S10 has great suspension, I have yet to find the limit where it starts doing stupid things.

Was an adventure ride once with a bloke on a S10. Unfortunately for him, his suspension very much found it's limits and after hitting a washout, cartwheeled him over forwards. It didn't end well for him or the bike.

S10 was also the only incident on our previous group ride.
But I agree that it has okay (no such thing as faultless) suspension.

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Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
« Reply #234 on: May 29, 2018, 10:42:00 am »
Indeed a seriously awesome looking machine, as was the 660Z.
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Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
« Reply #235 on: May 29, 2018, 10:53:09 am »
Things are looking up. Whenever I mentioned selling the 1150, Wify would give me a nasty look. Sunday we came out a restaurant and there was a AT parked outside. "This is nice" Now I've shown her pics of the T7, and I have permission to buy an AT, but I have to sell all my bikes, for which I could not get permission.

I mention that when the T7 comes out, I'm selling my bikes and buying one. No response... that's a good sign  :ricky:
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Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
« Reply #236 on: May 29, 2018, 11:24:14 am »
You know this T7 is in all aspects probably better than his (Peterhansel)  YZE 750 Dakar bike ever was however in the eye of the modern "adventure riders" it's going to be heavy, under powered, mediocre suspension  and in general just not good enough  :lol8:
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Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
« Reply #237 on: May 29, 2018, 11:46:18 am »
Things are looking up. Whenever I mentioned selling the 1150, Wify would give me a nasty look. Sunday we came out a restaurant and there was a AT parked outside. "This is nice" Now I've shown her pics of the T7, and I have permission to buy an AT, but I have to sell all my bikes, for which I could not get permission.

I mention that when the T7 comes out, I'm selling my bikes and buying one. No response... that's a good sign  :ricky:
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Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
« Reply #238 on: May 29, 2018, 12:16:49 pm »
Things are looking up. Whenever I mentioned selling the 1150, Wify would give me a nasty look. Sunday we came out a restaurant and there was a AT parked outside. "This is nice" Now I've shown her pics of the T7, and I have permission to buy an AT, but I have to sell all my bikes, for which I could not get permission.

I mention that when the T7 comes out, I'm selling my bikes and buying one. No response... that's a good sign  :ricky:
Ek dog jy moet ophou rook vir n AT? ;)

Vir die AT ja, hoekom dink jy het ek nog nie een nie, maar niks gesę oor die T7 nie  :biggrin:
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Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
« Reply #239 on: May 31, 2018, 07:26:04 pm »
Every time I see this bike I get a semi.