Yamaha T7 - No longer a Concept

[Lord Knormoer]

Lord Knormoer, there's more to you than meets the eye! I salute anyone who was able to start and keep an IT490 engine running, let alone mange to use it as a DS bike.

I was working in Lesotho at the time and acquired the 490 because it was available and I could afford it. I later understood why it was so easily sold by it’s previous owner. It was not the correct tool for the job by any stretch of the imagination but it was mine.

It was too tall, too temperamental and way too fast for trail riding but I persisted. I fell more times I can count but learnt an awful lot in the process.

It felt like heaven on two wheels when I changed to the WR in comparison. That 490 had just one purpose, go fast and mostly straight.

[KaTooMatt]

Hope the T7 lives up to expectations, not like the Honda 450, still no feedback from the Rally Raid, maybe they do not want to influence future sales. Asking for a friend 

The T7 has been available to riders in the 1st world for over a year, and if it's feedback you need, please click on any one of literally hundreds of positive reviews from testers and very happy owners.

It seems truly to be one of the best balanced bikes for our segment, ever, in this class.

What the T7 may give away to the 790 over technical high-speed terrain, will only be missed by 1% of riders. But the T7's better on-road stability, wind protection and less vibration will be appreciated by

many more riders.

Then please explain why almost all those reviews effectively say "at the price, it is the best-balanced bike out there but if money were no option the 790 is the better bike."

Now Yamaha SA has done all the buyers a favour making the price the same. The choice is now simple - do you want to buy the best bike in class or not?

[peteb]

Lord Knormoer, there's more to you than meets the eye! I salute anyone who was able to start and keep an IT490 engine running, let alone mange to use it as a DS bike.

I was working in Lesotho at the time and acquired the 490 because it was available and I could afford it. I later understood why it was so easily sold by it’s previous owner. It was not the correct tool for the job by any stretch of the imagination but it was mine.

It was too tall, too temperamental and way too fast for trail riding but I persisted. I fell more times I can count but learnt an awful lot in the process.

It felt like heaven on two wheels when I changed to the WR in comparison. That 490 had just one purpose, go fast and mostly straight.

You left out the third caveat - and don't try and stop
Back in the 80's I had a mate down from Joburg, bought his 490 for a ride, told us he had heard about 'The valley' so we took him there. We ended up naming a hill after him - 'Callaghans Hill' (IantheTooth knows the place). It goes down forever. Young Callaghan - after quite a few 'offs' on the way down - ended up just tossing the bike end over end (he was a big guy) all the while red in the face and with his goggles on and completely misted up, but what really pissed him off was us sitting at the bottom giggling at the sight. That really got him mad. So to calm him down I took his bike and he rode my IT200. At one stage I was going up a hill, and the bike was just ticking over but wheelieing at the same time. A touch more throttle and I would've looped it, a touch less and I would've stalled it. What a beast. In the hands of a master (I'm thinking Tommy Trefz) it was a mamba, but not for mortals.

[Lord Knormoer]

Lord Knormoer, there's more to you than meets the eye! I salute anyone who was able to start and keep an IT490 engine running, let alone mange to use it as a DS bike.

I was working in Lesotho at the time and acquired the 490 because it was available and I could afford it. I later understood why it was so easily sold by it’s previous owner. It was not the correct tool for the job by any stretch of the imagination but it was mine.

It was too tall, too temperamental and way too fast for trail riding but I persisted. I fell more times I can count but learnt an awful lot in the process.

It felt like heaven on two wheels when I changed to the WR in comparison. That 490 had just one purpose, go fast and mostly straight.

You left out the third caveat - and don't try and stop
Back in the 80's I had a mate down from Joburg, bought his 490 for a ride, told us he had heard about 'The valley' so we took him there. We ended up naming a hill after him - 'Callaghans Hill' (IantheTooth knows the place). It goes down forever. Young Callaghan - after quite a few 'offs' on the way down - ended up just tossing the bike end over end (he was a big guy) all the while red in the face and with his goggles on and completely misted up, but what really pissed him off was us sitting at the bottom giggling at the sight. That really got him mad. So to calm him down I took his bike and he rode my IT200. At one stage I was going up a hill, and the bike was just ticking over but wheelieing at the same time. A touch more throttle and I would've looped it, a touch less and I would've stalled it. What a beast. In the hands of a master (I'm thinking Tommy Trefz) it was a mamba, but not for mortals.

That throttle seemed to only have three positions: idle, wheely and OMFG!!!

[2StrokeDan]

Hope the T7 lives up to expectations, not like the Honda 450, still no feedback from the Rally Raid, maybe they do not want to influence future sales. Asking for a friend 

The T7 has been available to riders in the 1st world for over a year, and if it's feedback you need, please click on any one of literally hundreds of positive reviews from testers and very happy owners.

It seems truly to be one of the best balanced bikes for our segment, ever, in this class.

What the T7 may give away to the 790 over technical high-speed terrain, will only be missed by 1% of riders. But the T7's better on-road stability, wind protection and less vibration will be appreciated by

many more riders.

Then please explain why almost all those reviews effectively say "at the price, it is the best-balanced bike out there but if money were no option the 790 is the better bike."

Now Yamaha SA has done all the buyers a favour making the price the same. The choice is now simple - do you want to buy the best bike in class or not?

The T7, as is the 790, is an D/S or adventure bike. You pay your money, do your trip. But for your trip you need reliability.

The buyer decide how much money peace of mind, reliability-wise, is worth.

KTM should look at "service your own shock",  "roadside overhauling your clutch",  "build bigger arm muscles to tightly grip your handlebars", etc courses , offered free to 790 buyers.

[trevo]

Took them 3+ years to try and sort out the electronics on the T7, could not get it right, now they need to get rid of an "old m/cycle" at a ridiculous price.

[IceCreamMan]

Price is a funny construct, i think value is a better construct.

[2StrokeDan]

Took them 3+ years to try and sort out the electronics on the T7, could not get it right, now they need to get rid of an "old m/cycle" at a ridiculous price.

But it's not Indo-Chinese........

[sidetrack]

Rand gained 8% against $ since mid August, maybe time for Yamaha SA to place those orders 

[Tommy Transalp]

Fok! .... haven't Yamaha SA ordered any yet?

... hope their backup service is better ?!

[sidetrack]

Fok! .... haven't Yamaha SA ordered any yet?

... hope their backup service is better ?!

You need backup for a Yamaha ?

[Altie7deLaan]

The rest of the world, with the T7 you get what you pay for.
In ZA, you might get less than what you pay for.....I am sure we will have definitive pricing on the T7 once the 850gs and AT1000 special is over.....
Dit verduidelik seker hoekom die KTM workshop soos `n army tiffy se workshop lyk, dus die ouens wat die bikes hier verkoop.....

[sidetrack]

A container full of game changers is close folks ....

[Dwerg]

A container full of game changers is close folks ....

In what way is it a game changer exactly? They've certainly changed the game when it comes to new model turn around time

[sidetrack]

A container full of game changers is close folks ....

In what way is it a game changer exactly? They've certainly changed the game when it comes to new model turn around time

Simplicity in a age of techno obsession

[sidetrack]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3KmckwJUPxs

[Dwerg]

A container full of game changers is close folks ....

In what way is it a game changer exactly? They've certainly changed the game when it comes to new model turn around time

Simplicity in a age of techno obsession

So a game changer by virtue of the fact that it changed absolutely nothing?

[Altie7deLaan]

Its 200kg and has 72 hp.
What would you want to control by adding electronics to this machine?

[teebag]

Simplicity in a age of techno obsession

What a boatload of Nokia 3110


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[sidetrack]

Its 200kg and has 72 hp.
What would you want to control by adding electronics to this machine?

Or maybe they need electronics to tame 160HP so whats the point. Rather build something that does not need all that complications from the start. I was watching the Every Single Sunday video and the guy was sitting at the bottom of a sandy hill on his 790 furiously scrolling through his TFT searching for the perfect map meanwhile the guy on a KLR and T7 was waiting at the top already