Yamaha T7 - No longer a Concept

[BiG DoM]

Yes and actually get to pull the unicorn out the hat - to mix a few metaphors 

T7 Interuptus takes bike contraception to a whole new level. 

[sidetrack]

Only exiting new DS bike at EICMA that will actually be for sale soon is the improved 690 

[blauth]

Jeez, if I had to take anything you say personally, or even seriously for that matter, I may as well put a gun to my head now.   

that is very clear considering how offended you get on behalf of everyone. so not serious at all, just easily offended.  back on point, you are not going to even look at a T7 because you feel that the marketing was too aggressive and misleading to what you were expecting?

do you think it is a kak bike or just not what you were expecting?

I think it's doesn't meet up to the expectations created in the promo video's with ex-Rally racers racing it through deserts.

[Welsh]

An underused marketing department trying to justify their existence, with zero interaction with engineering. 

[2StrokeDan]

Jeez, if I had to take anything you say personally, or even seriously for that matter, I may as well put a gun to my head now.   

that is very clear considering how offended you get on behalf of everyone. so not serious at all, just easily offended.  back on point, you are not going to even look at a T7 because you feel that the marketing was too aggressive and misleading to what you were expecting?

do you think it is a kak bike or just not what you were expecting?

I think it's doesn't meet up to the expectations created in the promo video's with ex-Rally racers racing it through deserts.

Or a heavy 650cc with no suspension being called "Dakar". 

[2StrokeDan]

Appears. What’s the point of putting rugged items on heavy bikes? Like the ones you constantly advise people against?


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Yes, I have been the [almost] sole disciple of the light bike on here, now the forum wants to adventurise MX bikes.

And I got you on a proper bike too. Admit it.

I doubt you got me on my 640. Now that was a complete mid size DS bike. I still own a GS. Bigger heavier bikes have a place too. So not slating T7, I’ve mentioned several times what a good platform it is, just saying for what it pretends and what it actually competes with in the market, they either have to match on features or be much cheaper

I am actually just as disappointed, although I knew the moment I saw that the T7 will be using the 700 twin engine from the street bike, that this will be a large baby.

[dirtyXT]

Having ridden the T7 tracer I can tell you that riding this bike is gonna blow your mind. I Can't wait to see how the power gets delivered. And then in that moment all the anger felt towards the ex rally guys marketing savvy racing in the desert will vanish.

[2StrokeDan]

Having ridden the T7 tracer I can tell you that riding this bike is gonna blow your mind. I Can't wait to see how the power gets delivered. And then in that moment all the anger felt towards the ex rally guys marketing savvy racing in the desert will vanish.

 

[BiG DoM]

Only exiting new DS bike at EICMA that will actually be for sale soon is the improved 690 

True story. 

[Offroadrider]

Just read a blog of a guy with an MT07 who with some very basic mods got 80hp on the rear wheel, thats an initial crank reading of basically 90 hp, do these mods and the T7 will make sense

[sidetrack]

Does this change anything ?

[teebag]

and who's buying the T7? 

[André 660]

This bike is only a rumour 

[BiG DoM]

Fake news - unicorns do not come cheap. No Crypto pricing? 

[sidetrack]

The next world tour is about to start

[Beserker]

I think it's doesn't meet up to the expectations created in the promo video's with ex-Rally racers racing it through deserts.

van Beveren, in his video, quite explicitly said that what was shown in the video, and what they did with it riding around, is two different things.
According to AvB, for the video they edited out the hard core , Chris Birch takes the 1190 through a mud hole over a rock type of stuff specifically, as it was not the target market.

If a person saw AvB riding South American Dakar tracks, and it created with that person the expectation of a Rally bike, the issue is the person watching the video, and thinking that buying the bike is going to turn him into a rally god.

I watched the vids, and I could relate to them as my trips is more technical, and the bike seem to be able to do it well.

My trips are not racing (use an appropriate bike for that), so speed is not an issue, and the crappy suspension that is alluded to in this thread, and the lack of power alluded to, is not an issues, I'm tripping after all.

In my book, the AJP, the T7 and the 790 competes in a category that I will define as a trip bike, slightly faster on road than my 650R, a lot more comfortable, quiet, pillion friendly etc etc, and a viable option that did not exist other than in a 950/990/1090/1290,1150 format, which to me is excessive.

I honestly like this bike, and were I in the market, I would compare the AJP, T7 and 790 based on comfortable, quiet, pillion friendly, fuel consumption etc.

[CUZZY]

So here is my plan for my 700 Tenere. Keep in mind that a KTM 950 SE seat height is 965mm and a Honda XR 650L seat height is 940mm. The 700 seat height is 880mm.. So the SE seat height is nearly 3.5 inches taller than the 700. That's a shit load! I'm 1.87 or 6 foot 2 so I don't battle with seat height.
Next step is to buy a recent YZ 450 with a blown up motor not worth repairing. I know of a few CR 450 rolling chassis that went for between 5 and 10k.
Fit the YZ triple clamps and 48mm front forks on the 700 and put a larger disk brake and a proper steel braided hose. You will lose approx. 7kgs in weight over the original twin disk setup and now have 12 inches of the best suspension available. Put a decent high front mudguard that won't get wrecked in the first mud/ clay hole! (A mate has the 1000 Africa Twin with CR 450 Showa forks and disk and its brilliant)
Next modify the rear shock using the YZ shaft and spring to also give close to 12 inches of travel.
By adding 3 to 4 inches of travel over stock it will only raise the seat height by max 2 inches, still lower than the XR 650
Get rid of that abortion of a rear tail light and number plate contraption and lose some more weight.
Put on a soon to be manufactured Akrapovic exhaust and lose all the emission shit and lose a whole lot more weight and gain some more power! Not that it needs it!
Your new 700 now weighs less than 180kg empty weight and becomes the ultimate most reliable fuel efficient long distance touring machine!!

[sidetrack]

So here is my plan for my 700 Tenere. Keep in mind that a KTM 950 SE seat height is 965mm and a Honda XR 650L seat height is 940mm. The 700 seat height is 880mm.. So the SE seat height is nearly 3.5 inches taller than the 700. That's a shit load! I'm 1.87 or 6 foot 2 so I don't battle with seat height.
Next step is to buy a recent YZ 450 with a blown up motor not worth repairing. I know of a few CR 450 rolling chassis that went for between 5 and 10k.
Fit the YZ triple clamps and 48mm front forks on the 700 and put a larger disk brake and a proper steel braided hose. You will lose approx. 7kgs in weight over the original twin disk setup and now have 12 inches of the best suspension available. Put a decent high front mudguard that won't get wrecked in the first mud/ clay hole! (A mate has the 1000 Africa Twin with CR 450 Showa forks and disk and its brilliant)
Next modify the rear shock using the YZ shaft and spring to also give close to 12 inches of travel.
By adding 3 to 4 inches of travel over stock it will only raise the seat height by max 2 inches, still lower than the XR 650
Get rid of that abortion of a rear tail light and number plate contraption and lose some more weight.
Put on a soon to be manufactured Akrapovic exhaust and lose all the emission shit and lose a whole lot more weight and gain some more power! Not that it needs it!
Your new 700 now weighs less than 180kg empty weight and becomes the ultimate most reliable fuel efficient long distance touring machine!!

YZ springs are made for 110kg bikes not 180kg, wont you need to upgade them to beefier ones ? Like your thinking though 

[CUZZY]

KZN is the stomping ground of Yamaha suspension experts! There are many! So yes the rear will need a stiffer spring and I'm sure the front forks will also need different springs. The result is going to be KYB suspension heaven!
Try upgrading your WP forks on the 790 !!!!!! To what? More WP kak 
Come back 2 Stroke Dan. Yamaha needs you!!!!!!

[CUZZY]

And I don't think it will be too long before Acerbis / IMS / Clarke come out with a light weight strong plastic tank.
I'm also sure Mr Hyde will  come out with a proper sump/casing protector.
And all of these mods still cheaper than the pumpkin!!!