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Re: Yamaha T7 - No longer a Concept
« Reply #4100 on: January 06, 2021, 10:35:22 am »
Noneking has been asking for it and here it is. KTM790 v T7. The answer is that if you take your biking seriously you would take the KTM. I think we all knew that would be the verdict and we are not going to say ANYTHING about packing some walking shoes.


https://www.cycleworld.com/story/motorcycle-reviews/2020-ktm-790-adventure-r-vs-yamaha-tenere-700/

the test is flawed, apples with oranges

they should compare the T7 with the 790 S, on the same tyres.




but either way, those top gear roll on speed tests says a lot for the yamaha's precieved superior low-end grunt....
and the tricked-out package actually weighing less than the cheaped-out package is another shocker
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Re: Yamaha T7 - No longer a Concept
« Reply #4101 on: January 06, 2021, 10:50:57 am »
You sound surprised that a bike with more power is faster.

Go ride a CP platform bike. Let the revs drop to 2000 or lower even and then open the throttle wide in top gear. Do the same on a 790 and come and tell us the difference in how it feels. I rode a tracer in traffic with speeds below 40km/h and could keep it in 6th without sounding like the pistons are trying to high five each other. This will come into play when chugging in 2nd gear at little to no revs, not on a pointless roll on test.
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Re: Yamaha T7 - No longer a Concept
« Reply #4102 on: January 06, 2021, 03:49:30 pm »
The Yami guys are gathering rocks to stone you Ian...

If only I had money to fly to Aus....... :pot:

It is what I have been saying, that the T7 cannot compare to the 790 when it comes to seriously fast [for big bikes] riding.

The 790 is a brilliant concept, let down severely by costcutting, profit-enlarging measures.

I mean, back from the wonderful hydraulic clutch to the "dreaded" cable??? :pot:

Don't only old and cheap bikes have cable clutches?  My God. :eek7:
Good day all,
I have been following this thread, and now , in 2021, feel the need to rock the Yamaha reliability boat.
When the Tenere 660 was launch as new bike... - can anybody remember the air box seal issues? I visited Yamaha Helderberg at the time and saw two new 660-'s , in the flesh so to speak, which had to be rebuilt/engine replaced..
Then, shortly after the 1200 ST was launched, I was on a trip to Ganaga lodge. Willem's son was on a 1200 Tenere. We had to leave the bike there due to final drive/shaft overheating.  - Comparing the physical size of the final drive made me very wary...It was much smaller and thinner than the proven BMW recipe . The two BMW;s final drives were "ice cold" ...

So please, can everybody on the Yamaha reliability boat please tone it down a bit?
ps. All Yamaha offroads that I know of are with cable clutches while all KTM's have been on hydraulic clutches for ages. (My 300 is now 10 years old without any clutch issues that can be related to hydraulics
On the off road scene, you will see much more Yamaha 450's and 250's that need regular valve adjustments than any KTM/Husky - This is fact that I experience myself
Fact is, anyone can find fault with any bike...exception is of course my HP2, -still the best power to weight ratio after 13 years, no major issues what so ever :)
The 660 never had any airbox issues, it was with the air filter. All new bikes were then fitted with DNA filters by Yamaha from new. Issue was solved not like some other brands where the owners at huge cost needs to go and fit, build or DIY a better airbox / filter solution.
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Re: Yamaha T7 - No longer a Concept
« Reply #4103 on: January 06, 2021, 05:00:12 pm »
The Yami guys are gathering rocks to stone you Ian...

If only I had money to fly to Aus....... :pot:

It is what I have been saying, that the T7 cannot compare to the 790 when it comes to seriously fast [for big bikes] riding.

The 790 is a brilliant concept, let down severely by costcutting, profit-enlarging measures.

I mean, back from the wonderful hydraulic clutch to the "dreaded" cable??? :pot:

Don't only old and cheap bikes have cable clutches?  My God. :eek7:
Good day all,
I have been following this thread, and now , in 2021, feel the need to rock the Yamaha reliability boat.
When the Tenere 660 was launch as new bike... - can anybody remember the air box seal issues? I visited Yamaha Helderberg at the time and saw two new 660-'s , in the flesh so to speak, which had to be rebuilt/engine replaced..
Then, shortly after the 1200 ST was launched, I was on a trip to Ganaga lodge. Willem's son was on a 1200 Tenere. We had to leave the bike there due to final drive/shaft overheating.  - Comparing the physical size of the final drive made me very wary...It was much smaller and thinner than the proven BMW recipe . The two BMW;s final drives were "ice cold" ...

So please, can everybody on the Yamaha reliability boat please tone it down a bit?
ps. All Yamaha offroads that I know of are with cable clutches while all KTM's have been on hydraulic clutches for ages. (My 300 is now 10 years old without any clutch issues that can be related to hydraulics
On the off road scene, you will see much more Yamaha 450's and 250's that need regular valve adjustments than any KTM/Husky - This is fact that I experience myself
Fact is, anyone can find fault with any bike...exception is of course my HP2, -still the best power to weight ratio after 13 years, no major issues what so ever :)
The 660 never had any airbox issues, it was with the air filter. All new bikes were then fitted with DNA filters by Yamaha from new. Issue was solved not like some other brands where the owners at huge cost needs to go and fit, build or DIY a better airbox / filter solution.

And a STen final drive would overheat if you ride with your rear brake dragging. :peepwall:
 

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Yamaha T7 - No longer a Concept
« Reply #4104 on: January 06, 2021, 05:58:39 pm »
Noneking has been asking for it and here it is. KTM790 v T7. The answer is that if you take your biking seriously you would take the KTM. I think we all knew that would be the verdict and we are not going to say ANYTHING about packing some walking shoes.


https://www.cycleworld.com/story/motorcycle-reviews/2020-ktm-790-adventure-r-vs-yamaha-tenere-700/
After riding both, I tend to agree with the comments and conclusion especially when both are priced about the same in SA.

PS: However, I wouldn’t buy either of them, I actually enjoy my big bike and would rather add an XR650L to the stable for a more dirt oriented experience.
« Last Edit: January 06, 2021, 06:01:07 pm by Lord Knormoer »
 

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Re: Yamaha T7 - No longer a Concept
« Reply #4105 on: January 08, 2021, 12:31:06 pm »
 >:D
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Re: Yamaha T7 - No longer a Concept
« Reply #4106 on: January 08, 2021, 02:11:35 pm »
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Re: Yamaha T7 - No longer a Concept
« Reply #4107 on: January 08, 2021, 08:49:31 pm »
New spy shots for the T7’s competitor, Aprilia Toureg
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Re: Yamaha T7 - No longer a Concept
« Reply #4108 on: January 08, 2021, 09:38:24 pm »
I spot tubeless spoked wheels and beefier forks, but not sure what we will get after the concept model..
 

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Re: Yamaha T7 - No longer a Concept
« Reply #4109 on: January 09, 2021, 07:07:29 am »
That exhaust is almost as ugly as the termignoni that is fitted to the Honda Dakar bikes  :eek7:
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Re: Yamaha T7 - No longer a Concept
« Reply #4110 on: January 09, 2021, 09:08:22 am »
That exhaust is almost as ugly as the termignoni that is fitted to the Honda Dakar bikes  :eek7:

It usually does not matter when they are fitted out of sight under cars. O0
 

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Re: Yamaha T7 - No longer a Concept
« Reply #4111 on: January 13, 2021, 08:34:42 pm »
The thing that makes me the happiest about the T7 is that its availability would hopefully allow the 990's price to drop a bit and then hopefully I can afford one again...  :ricky:

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Re: Yamaha T7 - No longer a Concept
« Reply #4112 on: January 13, 2021, 08:39:43 pm »
The thing that makes me the happiest about the T7 is that its availability would hopefully allow the 990's price to drop a bit and then hopefully I can afford one again...  :ricky:


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Re: Yamaha T7 - No longer a Concept
« Reply #4113 on: January 14, 2021, 09:59:47 am »
790's are better  ;)
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Re: Yamaha T7 - No longer a Concept
« Reply #4114 on: January 14, 2021, 12:04:53 pm »
And T7s are the best!

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Re: Yamaha T7 - No longer a Concept
« Reply #4115 on: January 14, 2021, 12:10:28 pm »
>:D

Coming from guys who organise an exclusive 790/890 ride!!!  :peepwall: :pot:
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Re: Yamaha T7 - No longer a Concept
« Reply #4116 on: January 14, 2021, 12:38:09 pm »
>:D

Coming from guys who organise an exclusive 790/890 ride!!!  :peepwall: :pot:
So that they can all break down together?
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Re: Yamaha T7 - No longer a Concept
« Reply #4117 on: January 14, 2021, 12:51:40 pm »
>:D

Coming from guys who organise an exclusive 790/890 ride!!!  :peepwall: :pot:
So that they can all break down together?

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Re: Yamaha T7 - No longer a Concept
« Reply #4118 on: January 16, 2021, 01:13:24 pm »
The thing that makes me the happiest about the T7 is that its availability would hopefully allow the 990's price to drop a bit and then hopefully I can afford one again...  :ricky:


990's are really great bikes.

I have had my 990 since 2007 and love it. I bought the T700 . Since getting it, I have not ridden the 990 until yesterday - it is in magnificent condition 12000km BUT  now it feels a little dated . Later today I going on a ride with y wife , it  will be interesting to hear her views. Still won’t sell the 990
 

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Re: Yamaha T7 - No longer a Concept
« Reply #4119 on: January 18, 2021, 01:04:42 pm »
The thing that makes me the happiest about the T7 is that its availability would hopefully allow the 990's price to drop a bit and then hopefully I can afford one again...  :ricky:


990's are really great bikes.

I have had my 990 since 2007 and love it. I bought the T700 . Since getting it, I have not ridden the 990 until yesterday - it is in magnificent condition 12000km BUT  now it feels a little dated . Later today I going on a ride with y wife , it  will be interesting to hear her views. Still won’t sell the 990
Your KTM 12 000 or 120 000 km's? If it's 12 000 then the Yamaha might last.
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