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So here is my plan for my 700 Tenere. Keep in mind that a KTM 950 SE seat height is 965mm and a Honda XR 650L seat height is 940mm. The 700 seat height is 880mm.. So the SE seat height is nearly 3.5 inches taller than the 700. That's a shit load! I'm 1.87 or 6 foot 2 so I don't battle with seat height.Next step is to buy a recent YZ 450 with a blown up motor not worth repairing. I know of a few CR 450 rolling chassis that went for between 5 and 10k.Fit the YZ triple clamps and 48mm front forks on the 700 and put a larger disk brake and a proper steel braided hose. You will lose approx. 7kgs in weight over the original twin disk setup and now have 12 inches of the best suspension available. Put a decent high front mudguard that won't get wrecked in the first mud/ clay hole! (A mate has the 1000 Africa Twin with CR 450 Showa forks and disk and its brilliant)Next modify the rear shock using the YZ shaft and spring to also give close to 12 inches of travel.By adding 3 to 4 inches of travel over stock it will only raise the seat height by max 2 inches, still lower than the XR 650Get rid of that abortion of a rear tail light and number plate contraption and lose some more weight.Put on a soon to be manufactured Akrapovic exhaust and lose all the emission shit and lose a whole lot more weight and gain some more power! Not that it needs it!Your new 700 now weighs less than 180kg empty weight and becomes the ultimate most reliable fuel efficient long distance touring machine!!
Does this change anything ?
Quote from: sidetrack on February 01, 2019, 08:42:23 amDoes this change anything ?Where did you see this, can't find anything via google?
None of you seem to have factored into account that the clutch cover sticks out so far you are going to catch your boot on it every 5min. When I sat on the bike it was immediately apparent that this was a major fault, it will get in the way no matter how short or long your legs are. The frustration this will cause is going to be next level IMOSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
At this stage the rear shock set up is an unknown. Possibly even use the YZ 450 rear shock with heavier spring and tuning.As you probably know, KZN is full of suspension experts, Rod Bergstrom, Darren Coleman Steve/Brad Thompson are 3 that come to mind What they don't know about Yamaha KYB suspension is not worth knowing!By having longer suspension and the bike sitting higher, it's not going to effect the ground clearance by that much.My intention is not to do the ROA and really ridiculous rocky passes.There is only 20mm difference in ground clearance between the Ten 700 and the KTM790R according to the specs.Food for thought, and only if the bike actually exists!
Quote from: CUZZY on February 02, 2019, 09:23:40 amAt this stage the rear shock set up is an unknown. Possibly even use the YZ 450 rear shock with heavier spring and tuning.As you probably know, KZN is full of suspension experts, Rod Bergstrom, Darren Coleman Steve/Brad Thompson are 3 that come to mind What they don't know about Yamaha KYB suspension is not worth knowing!By having longer suspension and the bike sitting higher, it's not going to effect the ground clearance by that much.My intention is not to do the ROA and really ridiculous rocky passes.There is only 20mm difference in ground clearance between the Ten 700 and the KTM790R according to the specs.Food for thought, and only if the bike actually exists! The 'soft' non-R version of the 790 has virtually identical clearance, travel and fork diameter vs the T7. Food for thought And then there is the tiny little elephant in the room. 72.4hp and 68nm vs 95 and 88. Wait that's a BIG elephant. Speaking of elephants, the T7 is heavier as well.Unless the Yamaha is 40k cheaper than the non-R KTM, you'd have to be a blind brand loyalist to choose the Yami
But we already know the MT07 is a proven very reliable and economical motor and can be uncorked for more power. Who knows what the first gen 790 will dish up. But yes we always knew the KTM will have more power and performance, its par of the course when one get to the DS world Japanese vs KTM. The KTM to me is ugly and no amount of HP in the world can make up for that
Quote from: CUZZY on February 02, 2019, 09:23:40 amAt this stage the rear shock set up is an unknown. Possibly even use the YZ 450 rear shock with heavier spring and tuning.As you probably know, KZN is full of suspension experts, Rod Bergstrom, Darren Coleman Steve/Brad Thompson are 3 that come to mind What they don't know about Yamaha KYB suspension is not worth knowing!By having longer suspension and the bike sitting higher, it's not going to effect the ground clearance by that much.My intention is not to do the ROA and really ridiculous rocky passes.There is only 20mm difference in ground clearance between the Ten 700 and the KTM790R according to the specs.Food for thought, and only if the bike actually exists! Wonder how far I could have ridden on a 10hp TTR125 while your foot was in shreds from your lighter high HP 690? just wonderingThe 'soft' non-R version of the 790 has virtually identical clearance, travel and fork diameter vs the T7. Food for thought And then there is the tiny little elephant in the room. 72.4hp and 68nm vs 95 and 88. Wait that's a BIG elephant. Speaking of elephants, the T7 is heavier as well.Unless the Yamaha is 40k cheaper than the non-R KTM, you'd have to be a blind brand loyalist to choose the Yami
That 790 is butt fuggly! And as long as my lilly white nort points south, I won't own a KTM Hey Dwerg did you not read my weight loss plan on the T7 ? 12 inches of the best KYB suspension and empty weight of 180kgs.The top speed of an MT07 is 223 kph. I think even Toby Price would scare himself fartless doing that speed on dirt roads!
Quote from: Dwerg on February 04, 2019, 08:25:12 amQuote from: CUZZY on February 02, 2019, 09:23:40 amAt this stage the rear shock set up is an unknown. Possibly even use the YZ 450 rear shock with heavier spring and tuning.As you probably know, KZN is full of suspension experts, Rod Bergstrom, Darren Coleman Steve/Brad Thompson are 3 that come to mind What they don't know about Yamaha KYB suspension is not worth knowing!By having longer suspension and the bike sitting higher, it's not going to effect the ground clearance by that much.My intention is not to do the ROA and really ridiculous rocky passes.There is only 20mm difference in ground clearance between the Ten 700 and the KTM790R according to the specs.Food for thought, and only if the bike actually exists! The 'soft' non-R version of the 790 has virtually identical clearance, travel and fork diameter vs the T7. Food for thought And then there is the tiny little elephant in the room. 72.4hp and 68nm vs 95 and 88. Wait that's a BIG elephant. Speaking of elephants, the T7 is heavier as well.Unless the Yamaha is 40k cheaper than the non-R KTM, you'd have to be a blind brand loyalist to choose the YamiWonder how far I could have ridden on a 10hp TTR125 while your foot was in shreds from your lighter high HP 690? just wondering
Thanks peteb. This was just food for thought and to see what okes think. I am 100% certain that Steve Thompson ex Yamaha SA technical fundi would know straight off the bat whether this is workable and why.Hey Dwerg chill man. Your accident could happen on a pit bike. Never lekker to see anyone injured. Hope you are healing well.I'm sure the KTM is going to be a brilliant bike and will outsell Yamaha by leaps and bounds.I believe KTM has long lists of buyers. My local Yamaha shop doesn't even have a single potential sale.The one thing I definitely don't like on the 790 is the step in the seat. What proper offroad bike has that??? Obviously done to keep the seat height down.
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