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Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
« Reply #540 on: May 22, 2019, 07:29:37 am »
It really is a very good looking motorcycle.
 

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Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
« Reply #541 on: May 22, 2019, 08:05:01 am »
Well from the reports coming in and some of the videos the initial feeling is quite positive
One guy did sum it up quite nicely when he discussed weight and suspension. It is marketed as an adventure bike and with that you need certain compromises

Yes it will weigh more than an enduro type and probably have softer suspension. But on the flip side you get better comfort, ergonomics and a better ability to cater for a more varied ownership and terrain

It wont compete with lighter bikes like a 500 offroad, but the 500 wont compete on a long adventure trip.

Will be interesting to feel the actual ergonomics of the bike. Each person has their own comfort while sitting and standing. What works for me might feel weird for the next guy
Same with looks.. ask @Omninorm who seems to like the 790 look.. to me its just ugly  >:D

But thats the very nice advantage we have. So many bikes to choose from. And my best and your best might just be two completely different machines

Thats my Wednesday waffle. Quite looking forward to seeing this one in the flesh.
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Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
« Reply #542 on: May 22, 2019, 08:26:58 am »
Since the 990 KTM has lost the plot with styling their large bikes. How a bike looks is a big part of the package for me, besides being a Jap bike fanboy anyway. Would not mind this thing in my garage.
 

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Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
« Reply #543 on: May 22, 2019, 08:53:55 am »
First English review: https://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/yamaha/2021-yamaha-tenere-700-review-first-ride.html

Sounds distinctly underwhelming to me (for an all-catered official launch report). I like the lack of electronics, the girth limiting movement on the bike not so much. That engine is just peachy in terms of characteristics (loved it in Tracer), but its dimensions (deep sump with high COG. wide at the bottom) seem to be quite limiting in this application. And the spindly 43mm forks with about 20 cm of travel do not inspire confidence - KYB or not.

790 after year or two when all the beta testing is done sounds like much more appealing choice. It would be great to be able to get rid of the tablet and replace it with little 2019 690/500 enduro display, ideally disable ABS permanently, and it may need aftermarket rims to be able to use tubes in it for long distances, but quality suspension and great ergos will probably compensate for it.

Now let's hear what sidetrack has to say to address my skepticism. :peepwall: :pot:
There is doubt the 200mm suspension travel is a bit dissapointing, about the same as a XT660Z so adequate so say the least. But you can always fit a pair of SSS and have the best. The weight looks good from what I have read lighter than the previous Tenere and the 790. I too like the lack of electronic gadgets, for off road the less the better. It looks good but the tank may end up being a little small ? The motor is proven and will be the bikes highlight I think. I can see this being a reliable good looking adventure bike that has not fallen for the modern obsession with traction control ipad dashboards and 200hp
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Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
« Reply #544 on: May 22, 2019, 10:17:24 am »
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Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
« Reply #545 on: May 22, 2019, 10:17:36 am »
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Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
« Reply #546 on: May 22, 2019, 10:32:31 am »
First English review: https://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/yamaha/2021-yamaha-tenere-700-review-first-ride.html

Sounds distinctly underwhelming to me (for an all-catered official launch report). I like the lack of electronics, the girth limiting movement on the bike not so much. That engine is just peachy in terms of characteristics (loved it in Tracer), but its dimensions (deep sump with high COG. wide at the bottom) seem to be quite limiting in this application. And the spindly 43mm forks with about 20 cm of travel do not inspire confidence - KYB or not.

790 after year or two when all the beta testing is done sounds like much more appealing choice. It would be great to be able to get rid of the tablet and replace it with little 2019 690/500 enduro display, ideally disable ABS permanently, and it may need aftermarket rims to be able to use tubes in it for long distances, but quality suspension and great ergos will probably compensate for it.

Now let's hear what sidetrack has to say to address my skepticism. :peepwall: :pot:
There is doubt the 200mm suspension travel is a bit dissapointing, about the same as a XT660Z so adequate so say the least. But you can always fit a pair of SSS and have the best. The weight looks good from what I have read lighter than the previous Tenere and the 790. I too like the lack of electronic gadgets, for off road the less the better. It looks good but the tank may end up being a little small ? The motor is proven and will be the bikes highlight I think. I can see this being a reliable good looking adventure bike that has not fallen for the modern obsession with traction control ipad dashboards and 200hp

All true but I fear a bit top heavy with the tall engine and fuel up top - that is why KTM slung the hangtiete  :3some:
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Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
« Reply #547 on: May 22, 2019, 02:44:02 pm »
And then there are the average riders with tight budgets and none of the concerns here spook me. I am only interested in price, running cost and what I need to do/win in life to afford this bike which I believe is now my new dream bike.  :laughing4:
« Last Edit: May 22, 2019, 03:05:03 pm by Tom van Brits »
 

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Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
« Reply #548 on: May 22, 2019, 03:03:33 pm »


Sounds quite... "Revvie" i.e guy seems to be winding it out to get power, so torque high up or is the guy not riding it like he should be I wonder.
But yeah really nice bike Looks good as well.
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Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
« Reply #549 on: May 22, 2019, 03:52:30 pm »


Sounds quite... "Revvie" i.e guy seems to be winding it out to get power, so torque high up or is the guy not riding it like he should be I wonder.
But yeah really nice bike Looks good as well.
All reports are you can wind it on from 2500k in any gear
 

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Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
« Reply #550 on: May 22, 2019, 04:09:32 pm »
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Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
« Reply #551 on: May 22, 2019, 05:53:36 pm »
First English review: https://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/yamaha/2021-yamaha-tenere-700-review-first-ride.html

Sounds distinctly underwhelming to me (for an all-catered official launch report). I like the lack of electronics, the girth limiting movement on the bike not so much. That engine is just peachy in terms of characteristics (loved it in Tracer), but its dimensions (deep sump with high COG. wide at the bottom) seem to be quite limiting in this application. And the spindly 43mm forks with about 20 cm of travel do not inspire confidence - KYB or not.

790 after year or two when all the beta testing is done sounds like much more appealing choice. It would be great to be able to get rid of the tablet and replace it with little 2019 690/500 enduro display, ideally disable ABS permanently, and it may need aftermarket rims to be able to use tubes in it for long distances, but quality suspension and great ergos will probably compensate for it.

Now let's hear what sidetrack has to say to address my skepticism. :peepwall: :pot:
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Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
« Reply #552 on: May 22, 2019, 07:39:00 pm »
At first this bike was going to be too heavy, now that it's lighter than the ready-to-race, it's back to the "top-heavy" argument. ::) :pot:
 

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Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
« Reply #553 on: May 22, 2019, 09:01:57 pm »
At first this bike was going to be too heavy, now that it's lighter than the ready-to-race, it's back to the "top-heavy" argument. ::) :pot:

Time will tell, but it will inevitably be carrying its fuel high and they have I think purposefully kept it to an acceptable minimum. May well be a non issue.
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Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
« Reply #554 on: May 23, 2019, 09:05:47 am »
187 vs 189. Not exactly daylight between them. And remember, the T7 is comparable to the standard 790ADV, not the R  :peepwall:  >:D

People can harp on about the lower power output and absence of tech as if they are features but you still can't disable ABS on the go :scratch:

I do like this bike but let's not kid ourselves here.
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Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
« Reply #555 on: May 23, 2019, 09:33:16 am »
187 vs 189. Not exactly daylight between them. And remember, the T7 is comparable to the standard 790ADV, not the R  :peepwall:  >:D

People can harp on about the lower power output and absence of tech as if they are features but you still can't disable ABS on the go :scratch:

I do like this bike but let's not kid ourselves here.

I am just amazed at how KTM, designing a motor for a specific bike, while Yamaha simply plonks in a streetbike mill, still fail to be lighter than the T7??

Not saying the T7 is a wonder, just that the KTM should have been lighter, surely?
 

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Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
« Reply #556 on: May 23, 2019, 09:42:42 am »

I do like this bike but let's not kid ourselves here.


True.. I have realised now that one has a ugly back end, the other has a ugly front end.
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« Reply #557 on: May 23, 2019, 09:46:58 am »

I do like this bike but let's not kid ourselves here.


True.. I have realised now that one has a ugly back end, the other has a ugly front end.

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Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
« Reply #558 on: May 23, 2019, 09:54:54 am »
187 vs 189. Not exactly daylight between them. And remember, the T7 is comparable to the standard 790ADV, not the R  :peepwall:  >:D

People can harp on about the lower power output and absence of tech as if they are features but you still can't disable ABS on the go :scratch:

I do like this bike but let's not kid ourselves here.

I am just amazed at how KTM, designing a motor for a specific bike, while Yamaha simply plonks in a streetbike mill, still fail to be lighter than the T7??

Not saying the T7 is a wonder, just that the KTM should have been lighter, surely?

Yamaha did well to only add 15 odd kgs to the MT07 weight, KTM added 20 to the Duke weight. Again not much in it. But how much lighter would you want in this category? What are you willing to sacrifice without ending in the same place as a single?

True.. I have realised now that one has a ugly back end, the other has a ugly front end.

I happen to love the front on the 790. It's the only truly unique and modern ADV bike on the market if you ask me
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Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
« Reply #559 on: May 23, 2019, 10:06:56 am »

I happen to love the front on the 790. It's the only truly unique and modern ADV bike on the market if you ask me

Thats the nice thing we have now, to at least  be able to choose different makes and styles.
But you are right, the 790 styling is unique and has a very firm love it or hate it group.

I personally prefer the T7 front to the 790
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