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Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
« Reply #80 on: March 05, 2018, 06:27:42 pm »
It sure does look like the business 🤤


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Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
« Reply #81 on: March 05, 2018, 06:37:25 pm »
Been waiting long time for this.
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Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
« Reply #82 on: March 05, 2018, 06:51:31 pm »
looks great! final specs must be out now?
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Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
« Reply #83 on: March 05, 2018, 06:58:18 pm »
I know, but I expect the pig to be that farkin heavy (I have a KTM Duke 390 in the garage it rolls like a bicycle) I expected the XT660Z to be a ballerina.  :peepwall:
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Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
« Reply #84 on: March 05, 2018, 07:21:27 pm »
It's bigger than 650 cc so one can understand the weight. The new 310/250's though not so much.
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Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
« Reply #85 on: March 05, 2018, 09:07:29 pm »
Looks like the perfect adventure bike for a toppie, so now I need to grab a spade and look for that treasure on Gough island  :drif:
 

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Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
« Reply #86 on: March 05, 2018, 11:39:34 pm »
It's bigger than 650 cc so one can understand the weight. The new 310/250's though not so much.

The KTM 690 is 690cc... it's 138kg dry.
Now you want to make excuses for the pig Yamaha after you tune 158kg dry is too heavy.
Whats the excuse for the 660Z weighing as much as an F800GS?
You guys really crack me up.  :imaposer:


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Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
« Reply #87 on: March 06, 2018, 08:24:12 am »
It's bigger than 650 cc so one can understand the weight. The new 310/250's though not so much.

The KTM 690 is 690cc... it's 138kg dry.
Now you want to make excuses for the pig Yamaha after you tune 158kg dry is too heavy.
Whats the excuse for the 660Z weighing as much as an F800GS?
You guys really crack me up.  :imaposer:
So the Yamaha is a pig (and we don't have specs yet) but the BMW 310 and V-strom 250, CRF Rally is just fine as small adv bikes go (you even bought one I think) ? Fact is the Yamaha 700 is a big twin adventure bike, look at it it's massive how can you even compare it to a 690 KTM single or 250 class bikes. All big adventure bikes are heavy, 950 SE, 990, AT, 1190, Transalp (which is also 700cc) you name them so why would anyone expect the Tenere to be different ? So yes 158kg is too heavy for any small bike, the 660 is too heavy for a 650 but honestly it's not close to being a 690 type of bike. Add the fuel range, racks to be able to carry the 660's luggage ability, screen etc. and it would also quickly jump in weight.
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Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
« Reply #88 on: March 06, 2018, 08:25:20 am »
So what would you guys reckon this new Yamaha would sell for ? I had a figure of 150k but may end up being more ?
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Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
« Reply #89 on: March 06, 2018, 08:38:24 am »
It's bigger than 650 cc so one can understand the weight. The new 310/250's though not so much.

The KTM 690 is 690cc... it's 138kg dry.
Now you want to make excuses for the pig Yamaha after you tune 158kg dry is too heavy.
Whats the excuse for the 660Z weighing as much as an F800GS?
You guys really crack me up.  :imaposer:
So the Yamaha is a pig but the BMW 310 and V-strom 250, CRF Rally is just fine as small adv bikes go (you even bought one I think) ? Fact is the Yamaha 700 is a big twin adventure bike, look at it it's massive how can you even compare it to a 690 KTM single or 250 class bikes. All big adventure bikes are heavy, 950 SE, 990, AT, 1190, Transalp (which is also 700cc) you name them so why would anyone expect the Tenere to be different ? So yes 158kg is too heavy for any small bike, the 660 is too heavy for a 650 but honestly it's not close to being a 690 type of bike. Add the fuel range, racks to be able to carry the 660's luggage ability, screen etc. and it would also quickly jump in weight.

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Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
« Reply #90 on: March 06, 2018, 08:50:31 am »
There was a time when I couldn't wait for this beaut to be released but after seeing the KTM790 I recon I'm going to wait and compare the two before trading my 690. I can't help be feel that Yamaha missed a golden opportunity by dragging their heels for too long on this bikes launch. By the time it goes to market it's going to be up against some stiff competition.

I have no doubt on the quality and reliability though, that will be typical Yamaha, especially after all the testing they're doing.
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Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
« Reply #91 on: March 06, 2018, 09:17:15 am »
So what would you guys reckon this new Yamaha would sell for ? I had a figure of 150k but may end up being more ?

Cant sell for more than R140 000, as then we are going into the Africa Twin price range..........
Well Honda is selling their bikes at a discounted rate nowadays, and the Africa Twins are selling like hot cakes.
 

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Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
« Reply #92 on: March 06, 2018, 09:25:14 am »

It certainly looks a damn side better than a 310GS (310GS - the new standard against which everything else is measured).
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Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
« Reply #93 on: March 06, 2018, 09:32:24 am »

It certainly looks a damn side better than a 310GS (310GS - the new standard against which everything else is measured).
If that got 30 pages this Ten must be worth 60 at least  :biggrin:
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Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
« Reply #94 on: March 06, 2018, 10:02:25 am »
This looks proper. It's a real world bike....something you can commute on, adventure on, looks like pretty hard core too and the slightly less weight and power than the 1000cc class will make a big difference to the general longevity between tyre changes and chain and sprocket wear. People who actually use their bikes (more than five times a year) do care about how much it costs to run a bike ......

Hoping it comes in at the weight of the old 800GS or less but I'm thinking that's unlikely.


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Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
« Reply #95 on: March 06, 2018, 10:09:14 am »
It's bigger than 650 cc so one can understand the weight. The new 310/250's though not so much.

The KTM 690 is 690cc... it's 138kg dry.
Now you want to make excuses for the pig Yamaha after you tune 158kg dry is too heavy.
Whats the excuse for the 660Z weighing as much as an F800GS?
You guys really crack me up.  :imaposer:

How many long trips do people do in general on their 690's?  Very little, while XY660Z's ride all over.

There is a reason for this, and the reason is "tourability".  The 690 is closer to the much discussed 500/501 "adventure adaptions" than to a touring machine.

The T7 will inevitably be closer to touring machines than to enduro bikes too, try not to be too disappointed. :thumleft:
 

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Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
« Reply #96 on: March 06, 2018, 10:20:16 am »
The T7 will inevitably be closer to touring machines than to enduro bikes too, try not to be too disappointed. :thumleft:

The problem is that people want a Dakar replica bike that weighs 140 kg with the performance of a 1 liter bike and
the comfort of a tourer.  You will never find all those things in one bike.
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Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
« Reply #97 on: March 06, 2018, 10:47:02 am »
Same power as a 701 and likely 30% heavier. What was the argument around under powered overweight bikes again Dan?

I still like it though
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Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
« Reply #98 on: March 06, 2018, 10:56:16 am »
It's bigger than 650 cc so one can understand the weight. The new 310/250's though not so much.

The KTM 690 is 690cc... it's 138kg dry.
Now you want to make excuses for the pig Yamaha after you tune 158kg dry is too heavy.
Whats the excuse for the 660Z weighing as much as an F800GS?
You guys really crack me up.  :imaposer:
Fact is the Yamaha 700 is a big twin adventure bike, look at it it's massive how can you even compare it to a 690 KTM single or 250 class bikes. All big adventure bikes are heavy, 950 SE, 990, AT, 1190, Transalp (which is also 700cc) you name them so why would anyone expect the Tenere to be different ? So yes 158kg is too heavy for any small bike, the 660 is too heavy for a 650 but honestly it's not close to being a 690 type of bike. Add the fuel range, racks to be able to carry the 660's luggage ability, screen etc. and it would also quickly jump in weight.


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Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
« Reply #99 on: March 06, 2018, 11:04:37 am »
If they can keep this in the MT07 - MT09 price range, I think it's a winner and completely in a class of it's own. If it starts approaching 790 price range, GTFO.
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