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Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
« Reply #920 on: August 08, 2019, 11:46:26 am »


790
660XTZ which was already well known for being heavy
F800GS is actually also the same weight


what is moderm about it? Just the styling which is awesome.

Well its lighter than the 790
The same as the previous 660, but more power
Ever so slightly lighter than the 800GS

Still has ABS, just no traction control. Which most people turn off anyway once they go offroad.
And costing less, I think it offers very good value for money
not lighter than the 790 if you add equal amounts of fuel (same 790 which offers a lot more tech and and and, stuff that weighs a lot)
*same as 660 but only less underpowered
800: ever so slightly another lose against the bigger 800gs. (why do I get 224kg if I google the weight of the 750GS? F800 comes up as ww 208kg)


and we don't know the price yet, so....HOPEFULLY it offers very good value for money
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Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
« Reply #921 on: August 08, 2019, 12:17:41 pm »


790
660XTZ which was already well known for being heavy
F800GS is actually also the same weight


what is moderm about it? Just the styling which is awesome.

Well its lighter than the 790
The same as the previous 660, but more power
Ever so slightly lighter than the 800GS

Still has ABS, just no traction control. Which most people turn off anyway once they go offroad.
And costing less, I think it offers very good value for money
not lighter than the 790 if you add equal amounts of fuel (same 790 which offers a lot more tech and and and, stuff that weighs a lot)
*same as 660 but only less underpowered
800: ever so slightly another lose against the bigger 800gs. (why do I get 224kg if I google the weight of the 750GS? F800 comes up as ww 208kg)


and we don't know the price yet, so....HOPEFULLY it offers very good value for money

My simple Arithmatic tells me the Yamha T7 will come out at betwween 175 to 178KGs Dry vs the 790 at 189KGs it is a lot lighter. I believe this bike will sell plenty. Yamaha reliability not to many gimmicks this is a bike for world touring it will definatley offer value for money if you use overseas pricing as a guideline.
 

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Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
« Reply #922 on: August 08, 2019, 12:28:08 pm »



Still has ABS, just no traction control. Which most people turn off anyway once they go offroad.
And costing less, I think it offers very good value for money
not lighter than the 790 if you add equal amounts of fuel (same 790 which offers a lot more tech and and and, stuff that weighs a lot)
*same as 660 but only less underpowered
800: ever so slightly another lose against the bigger 800gs. (why do I get 224kg if I google the weight of the 750GS? F800 comes up as ww 208kg)


and we don't know the price yet, so....HOPEFULLY it offers very good value for money
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750/850GS is a lot heavier than the old 700/800GS. It got a bit porky

In the end, its nice to have options available to buyers. If I was to replace my 690 with something I would look at the T7. The 790 visually just aint for me
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Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
« Reply #923 on: August 08, 2019, 12:39:46 pm »
Ill put 2 bikes next to each other.. one 175kg and the other 185gk

Load them and send any rider off on a weekend trip.. I'm willing to bet that 50% of the riders will guess incorrectly which is the lighter bike.

Once you take riding style , center of gravity etc etc into account, it would take an expert to spot the difference.

Most adventure riders - judging by the Wild Dog Bashes i've been to , all could loose that weight difference by taking a bit of a diet  :peepwall: :pot:
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Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
« Reply #924 on: August 08, 2019, 12:50:11 pm »
Most people buy bikes on how they think they will be riding. We see ourselves in some riding class bracket and that's pretty much what sells us. Certain brands cater for certain riding styles and it's all good. Fuck it, if you want a bike and you can afford it, buy the fucking thing... :thumleft:

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Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
« Reply #925 on: August 08, 2019, 12:58:52 pm »
Ill put 2 bikes next to each other.. one 175kg and the other 185gk

Load them and send any rider off on a weekend trip.. I'm willing to bet that 50% of the riders will guess incorrectly which is the lighter bike.

Once you take riding style , center of gravity etc etc into account, it would take an expert to spot the difference.

Most adventure riders - judging by the Wild Dog Bashes i've been to , all could loose that weight difference by taking a bit of a diet  :peepwall: :pot:

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Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
« Reply #926 on: August 08, 2019, 03:07:26 pm »
Ill put 2 bikes next to each other.. one 175kg and the other 185gk

Load them and send any rider off on a weekend trip.. I'm willing to bet that 50% of the riders will guess incorrectly which is the lighter bike.

Once you take riding style , center of gravity etc etc into account, it would take an expert to spot the difference.

Most adventure riders - judging by the Wild Dog Bashes i've been to , all could loose that weight difference by taking a bit of a diet  :peepwall: :pot:

agree and agree.
Until you get stuck halfway up a dune, put the bike down and have to turn it around on its side.

(I pushed this short weight focused discussion now, the claim was that 'other' bikes was heavy, I just raised that the T7 is no ballerina)
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Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
« Reply #927 on: August 08, 2019, 03:46:27 pm »
The T7 will be no lightweight, but I am surprised at how it's not really heavier than the 790.

The 790 is a brand-new, from-the-ground-up design, all neat and trim and tight, a purpose-built engine for a mid-class D/S bike.

Then Yamaha comes along, and after 34 years of welding up a frame, plonks in a roadbike engine, and it weighs as much/little as the Katie.

 

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Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
« Reply #928 on: August 08, 2019, 08:08:29 pm »
Guess that's a different way of looking at it.
Makes sense then. Tech is heavy, all the wires and modules and accelerometers little motors and stuff adds up. So what was won with a lightweight construction was lost to the tech.
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Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
« Reply #929 on: August 08, 2019, 08:12:08 pm »
Guess that's a different way of looking at it.
Makes sense then. Tech is heavy, all the wires and modules and accelerometers little motors and stuff adds up. So what was won with a lightweight construction was lost to the tech.

And say what you will, for me all these tech stuff removes the bike further from the rider, while making it more unwieldy weight-wise.
 
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Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
« Reply #930 on: August 08, 2019, 10:58:39 pm »
"Weld up a frame and plonk in an engine"

That's the kind of technology I can relate to!  :3some:
 

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Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
« Reply #931 on: August 09, 2019, 07:22:22 am »
The T7 will be no lightweight, but I am surprised at how it's not really heavier than the 790.

The 790 is a brand-new, from-the-ground-up design, all neat and trim and tight, a purpose-built engine for a mid-class D/S bike.

Then Yamaha comes along, and after 34 years of welding up a frame, plonks in a roadbike engine, and it weighs as much/little as the Katie.
The cone motor was also in a road bike frame first.
 

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Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
« Reply #932 on: August 09, 2019, 09:04:40 am »
It looks like Triumph might get their new 900 scrambler into the shops about the same time.  :peepwall:
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Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
« Reply #933 on: August 11, 2019, 01:54:19 pm »
Because Dan2YamFan posts here a lot a piccie of a bike I recently saw - and didn't know the bike's engine.
Want to hazard a guess Dan?  :P
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Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
« Reply #934 on: August 11, 2019, 01:57:03 pm »
Because Dan2YamFan posts here a lot a piccie of a bike I recently saw - and didn't know the bike's engine.
Want to hazard a guess Dan?  :P

If its the one I think it is, its a beautiful make over of a rubbish Yamaha into something pretty.  :'(
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Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
« Reply #935 on: August 11, 2019, 07:15:34 pm »
Very correct indeed Welsh, it's the motor of the XZ550, an unsuccessful model due to unreliability and ugly design.
It's parked in the showroom at Roadrunner Motoren in Velp in the Netherlands at the moment, and I stopped to see an old 2stroke .... but saw a V-twin foutsroke instead, with shaftdrive even.
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Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
« Reply #936 on: August 11, 2019, 09:35:36 pm »
Because Dan2YamFan posts here a lot a piccie of a bike I recently saw - and didn't know the bike's engine.
Want to hazard a guess Dan?  :P

Beautiful execution, in a racer-look way, but with that engine it won't outperform a well-tuned TZR125.
 

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Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
« Reply #937 on: August 14, 2019, 05:59:08 pm »
The more I see of the T7 the more I like it.

A couple of europeans are starting to post reviews etc etc, quite interesting.

790 and T7 next to each other:


I know which one I'll choose  :deal:
 

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Re: Yamaha T7 Concept
« Reply #938 on: August 14, 2019, 06:19:41 pm »
Agreed the 790 any day.  :thumleft:
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« Reply #939 on: August 14, 2019, 08:12:28 pm »
Agreed the 790 any day.  :thumleft:

I also like the extra panniers either side of the engine. Could pack two dead camels in there for padkos.