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Re: Yamaha T7 - No longer a Concept
« Reply #2780 on: September 15, 2020, 01:13:20 pm »
Hope it works out that way and we are surprised - we should know in couple weeks  O0
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Re: Yamaha T7 - No longer a Concept
« Reply #2781 on: September 15, 2020, 01:28:59 pm »
I have no problem with the T7 or Yamaha and had the bike been available and properly priced it would have been a contender for my latest bike.

I ended up with an F850 Adventure, which I drove out of the dealership 4 days after deciding on it for less than 170K.  It's comfortable and performs well enough for my needs. It has a 5 year warranty so if my Chinese motor explodes I get a new one. If that does happen BMW on call will come to my rescue so no need to camp in the bush for a month while I rebuild the motor using termites and braided palm fronds. Not only that but my local dealer gives me coffee and muffins while they wash my bike for free after my weekend getaways, it's an all-round win.

While reliability is a factor it is hardly the most important one (or KTM would never sell a bike). If you are over-landing through deepest darkest Africa, battling carnivorous pygmies and Tsetse flies, there are more reliable and easier to maintain options than any of the latest generation 'adventure' bikes. None of the major brands could afford to sell bikes that would result in a large number of warranty claims so while there maybe some differences it's not like the T7's will be around in hundreds of years for future generations to marvel at their reliability while bikes from other brands implode three kilometres from the dealership.

There are a lot of great options out there with slightly different strengths and weaknesses, for 95% of riders anyone of them will be more than adequate. So if the T7 is what excites you and you feel the wait and price is worth it, that's great, from all the reviews and feedback it seems like a good bike. It won't turn you into a Pol Tarres leaping like an inebriated Gazelle from rock to rock, or give you a bigger smile than a the guy blasting past you on his ready to race 790 (with his pillion dog for the long walk home) or give you a never ending supply of high quality BMW muffins.

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The lack of electronics is exactly why so many are buying this bike. I have watched many videos of guys doing long trips solo and they all mention this is the main reason they bought a T7, less stuff to go wrong and Yamaha reliability. I believe the CP2 is the motor with the least amount of faults reported by owners world wide according to a German study.

Not disputing that at all - reliability is always important when you are far from help.

The issue is the price that we are expected to pay for what is just a basic bike. The whole reason behind the development of this bike was to bring an affordable bike to market that was stone reliable and to sell truck loads of them. This has been done in most markets around the world but not here in sunny SA - here Yamaha has got greedy.

Given the asking price, as a business transaction, we are effectively paying for Yamaha to take bits off the bike that you would otherwise have been getting and this okay because it is reliable?

Yamaha did much the same thing in the outboard boat market - these days Suzuki has taken this market as the motors are just as reliable and they are cheaper.

Dunno I just see it differently, if i am putting money down then I expect reliability - I am not going to pay extra for it. If it is not reliable then I will walk past and get a product that gives me what I am looking for.

At the moment Yamaha has got this segment of the market cornered but hopefully Honda will release an Africa Twin light in the not too distant future and others may follow. Then its game on and the consumer benefits.
 

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Re: Yamaha T7 - No longer a Concept
« Reply #2782 on: September 15, 2020, 01:44:02 pm »
With the death of bikes like the DR650, KLR650, XR650L etc from most countries I reckon for those riders will most likely buy a T7 then anything else.
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Re: Yamaha T7 - No longer a Concept
« Reply #2783 on: September 15, 2020, 02:03:22 pm »
With the death of bikes like the DR650, KLR650, XR650L etc from most countries I reckon for those riders will most likely buy a T7 then anything else.

Well for the people who love to hate KTM yeah sure. For people who don't blindly stick to brand bias, the best single ever to be produced is still available at your local KTM/Husky dealer.
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Re: Yamaha T7 - No longer a Concept
« Reply #2784 on: September 15, 2020, 02:03:36 pm »
You simply cannot go sell something cheap at a premium price, because of a badge.
Go ask Mercedes how that worked out for them when they klapped a Mercedes badge on a Navarra, and hiked the price.
A thinking market will go look for the best value for money deal. That is where the SA market is, with their hard earned, but piss poor value currency they will think well before they spend.
Park the T7 next to a 850@170k or a AT1000@185k, and see how the cheap of the T7 shines through.
This is not a issue though, if the price is right.
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Re: Yamaha T7 - No longer a Concept
« Reply #2785 on: September 15, 2020, 04:26:04 pm »
You simply cannot go sell something cheap at a premium price, because of a badge.

Nice summary, agree!
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Re: Yamaha T7 - No longer a Concept
« Reply #2786 on: September 15, 2020, 04:44:39 pm »
With the death of bikes like the DR650, KLR650, XR650L etc from most countries I reckon for those riders will most likely buy a T7 then anything else.

The last KLR's sold were about R65k I think?. We are cheap b@stards.
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« Reply #2787 on: September 15, 2020, 05:43:05 pm »
With the death of bikes like the DR650, KLR650, XR650L etc from most countries I reckon for those riders will most likely buy a T7 then anything else.
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Re: Yamaha T7 - No longer a Concept
« Reply #2788 on: September 15, 2020, 06:03:05 pm »
With the death of bikes like the DR650, KLR650, XR650L etc from most countries I reckon for those riders will most likely buy a T7 then anything else.
Yes, it makes sense to go from one donkey to the next......
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Re: Yamaha T7 - No longer a Concept
« Reply #2789 on: September 15, 2020, 06:23:51 pm »
With the death of bikes like the DR650, KLR650, XR650L etc from most countries I reckon for those riders will most likely buy a T7 then anything else.
Yes, it makes sense to go from one donkey to the next......
What is the latest injury on your race horse ?  ;)

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Re: Yamaha T7 - No longer a Concept
« Reply #2790 on: September 15, 2020, 06:51:18 pm »
In the price comparisons one can also consider that KTM's 790 will need a R12000 steering damper because the engineers did not do their work, and this bike is like aGS800, lewensgevaarlik.

Shame, it scared Manic so bad the man disappeared.
 

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Re: Yamaha T7 - No longer a Concept
« Reply #2791 on: September 15, 2020, 07:53:00 pm »
In the price comparisons one can also consider that KTM's 790 will need a R12000 steering damper because the engineers did not do their work, and this bike is like aGS800, lewensgevaarlik.

Shame, it scared Manic so bad the man disappeared.
Daantjie, jou tikwerk het jou sleg in die steek gelaat in bostaande.

Dit is 'n R1200GS steering damper...

Manic didnt disappear he just dieted so much that no-one can find him. Or his shadow.

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I would love to have a T7, but since it's likely I'll semigrate to Angola soon, my next bike is more likely a chinese 150...
 

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Re: Yamaha T7 - No longer a Concept
« Reply #2792 on: September 15, 2020, 08:39:32 pm »
In the price comparisons one can also consider that KTM's 790 will need a R12000 steering damper because the engineers did not do their work, and this bike is like aGS800, lewensgevaarlik.

Shame, it scared Manic so bad the man disappeared.
Daantjie, jou tikwerk het jou sleg in die steek gelaat in bostaande.

Dit is 'n R1200GS steering damper...

Manic didnt disappear he just dieted so much that no-one can find him. Or his shadow.

NS. Ons het een brawe mannetjie gehad op skool wat dit reggekry het om tik te vat as n vak. Dit was eerste seun wat tik gedoen het in die meer as 100 jaar geskiedenis van die skool. Alleen tussen al die meisies het hy regtig gevoel hy was in die steek gelaat.

I would love to have a T7, but since it's likely I'll semigrate to Angola soon, my next bike is more likely a chinese 150...

A Chinese 150 is a step towards a KTM........ :pot:
 

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Re: Yamaha T7 - No longer a Concept
« Reply #2793 on: September 15, 2020, 11:13:35 pm »
With the death of bikes like the DR650, KLR650, XR650L etc from most countries I reckon for those riders will most likely buy a T7 then anything else.

Well for the people who love to hate KTM yeah sure. For people who don't blindly stick to brand bias, the best single ever to be produced is still available at your local KTM/Husky dealer.
If its the one with the perforated airbox design, I'd have to pass.
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Re: Yamaha T7 - No longer a Concept
« Reply #2794 on: September 16, 2020, 07:21:12 am »
Hope the T7 lives up to expectations, not like the Honda 450, still no feedback from the Rally Raid, maybe they do not want to influence future sales. Asking for a friend  :imaposer:
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Re: Yamaha T7 - No longer a Concept
« Reply #2795 on: September 16, 2020, 07:52:15 am »
Hope the T7 lives up to expectations, not like the Honda 450, still no feedback from the Rally Raid, maybe they do not want to influence future sales. Asking for a friend  :imaposer:

The T7 has been available to riders in the 1st world for over a year, and if it's feedback you need, please click on any one of literally hundreds of positive reviews from testers and very happy owners.

It seems truly to be one of the best balanced bikes for our segment, ever, in this class.

What the T7 may give away to the 790 over technical high-speed terrain, will only be missed by 1% of riders. But the T7's better on-road stability, wind protection and less vibration will be appreciated by

many more riders.
 

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Re: Yamaha T7 - No longer a Concept
« Reply #2796 on: September 16, 2020, 07:57:58 am »
With the death of bikes like the DR650, KLR650, XR650L etc from most countries I reckon for those riders will most likely buy a T7 then anything else.

Well for the people who love to hate KTM yeah sure. For people who don't blindly stick to brand bias, the best single ever to be produced is still available at your local KTM/Husky dealer.
If its the one with the perforated airbox design, I'd have to pass.
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Re: Yamaha T7 - No longer a Concept
« Reply #2797 on: September 16, 2020, 08:17:20 am »
Hope the T7 lives up to expectations, not like the Honda 450, still no feedback from the Rally Raid, maybe they do not want to influence future sales. Asking for a friend  :imaposer:

The T7 has been available to riders in the 1st world for over a year, and if it's feedback you need, please click on any one of literally hundreds of positive reviews from testers and very happy owners.

It seems truly to be one of the best balanced bikes for our segment, ever, in this class.

What the T7 may give away to the 790 over technical high-speed terrain, will only be missed by 1% of riders. But the T7's better on-road stability, wind protection and less vibration will be appreciated by

many more riders.
Thatís consistent with all the reviews Iíve watched and read. Given my early years of DS was on an IT490 and later a WR450, Iíve been following with keen interest. My assessment, it would be the perfect bike for my kind of solo adventures if I ever decide to have more than one in the garage.

The concern from all is with the price in ZA which we can only speculate about at the moment.
 

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Re: Yamaha T7 - No longer a Concept
« Reply #2798 on: September 16, 2020, 09:11:45 am »
Hope the T7 lives up to expectations, not like the Honda 450, still no feedback from the Rally Raid, maybe they do not want to influence future sales. Asking for a friend  :imaposer:

The T7 has been available to riders in the 1st world for over a year, and if it's feedback you need, please click on any one of literally hundreds of positive reviews from testers and very happy owners.

It seems truly to be one of the best balanced bikes for our segment, ever, in this class.

What the T7 may give away to the 790 over technical high-speed terrain, will only be missed by 1% of riders. But the T7's better on-road stability, wind protection and less vibration will be appreciated by

many more riders.
Thatís consistent with all the reviews Iíve watched and read. Given my early years of DS was on an IT490 and later a WR450, Iíve been following with keen interest. My assessment, it would be the perfect bike for my kind of solo adventures if I ever decide to have more than one in the garage.

The concern from all is with the price in ZA which we can only speculate about at the moment.

Indeed, in a market that is less than strong, this bike can be priced out of reach quite easily. Especially when it gets too close to tempting rivals.
 

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Re: Yamaha T7 - No longer a Concept
« Reply #2799 on: September 16, 2020, 09:28:59 am »
Lord Knormoer, there's more to you than meets the eye! I salute anyone who was able to start and keep an IT490 engine running, let alone mange to use it as a DS bike.
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