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Re: Yamaha T7 - No longer a Concept
« Reply #2820 on: September 16, 2020, 08:59:53 pm »
Its 200kg and has 72 hp.
What would you want to control by adding electronics to this machine?
Or maybe they need electronics to tame 160HP so whats the point. Rather build something that does not need all that complications from the start. I was watching the Every Single Sunday video and the guy was sitting at the bottom of a sandy hill on his 790 furiously scrolling through his TFT searching for the perfect map meanwhile the guy on a KLR and T7 was waiting at the top already  :imaposer:

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Re: Yamaha T7 - No longer a Concept
« Reply #2821 on: September 16, 2020, 09:01:30 pm »
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Re: Yamaha T7 - No longer a Concept
« Reply #2822 on: September 16, 2020, 09:03:25 pm »
2900 replies and 244000 views, T7 must be the most anticipated DS bike of all time. Game changer  :pot:
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Re: Yamaha T7 - No longer a Concept
« Reply #2823 on: September 16, 2020, 09:05:01 pm »
Wanna know what I think a game changer is?
The 2008 F800gs.
A rotax 800cc parallel twin. No electronics, apart from ABS. Easy to read analog looking clocks
It is good at touring, road riding, off road riding and as a shuttle. Beautifully finished. Longevity. OK  suspension. Easy to use. Cheap to run. Light on fuel. Easy to maintain. Backed by a huge dealer network. Very good resale value.It even had 85 very usable HP. Best of all, it had a very sensible price tag.

The T7 reinvents the past then, with a modern day pricetag?
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Re: Yamaha T7 - No longer a Concept
« Reply #2824 on: September 16, 2020, 09:06:33 pm »
Wanna know what I think a game changer is?
The 2008 F800gs.
A rotax 800cc parallel twin. No electronics, apart from ABS. Easy to read analog looking clocks
It is good at touring, road riding, off road riding and as a shuttle. Beautifully finished. Longevity. OK  suspension. Easy to use. Cheap to run. Light on fuel. Easy to maintain. Backed by a huge dealer network. Very good resale value.It even had 85 very usable HP. Best of all, it had a very sensible price tag.

The T7 reinvents the past then, with a modern day pricetag?
But is it Pol proof ?
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Re: Yamaha T7 - No longer a Concept
« Reply #2825 on: September 16, 2020, 09:16:38 pm »
Wanna know what I think a game changer is?
The 2008 F800gs.
A rotax 800cc parallel twin. No electronics, apart from ABS. Easy to read analog looking clocks
It is good at touring, road riding, off road riding and as a shuttle. Beautifully finished. Longevity. OK  suspension. Easy to use. Cheap to run. Light on fuel. Easy to maintain. Backed by a huge dealer network. Very good resale value.It even had 85 very usable HP. Best of all, it had a very sensible price tag.

The T7 reinvents the past then, with a modern day pricetag?
But is it Pol proof ?

There never was a need for the 800 to be Pol proof.
It sold well because of what it is.
It did not need any reviews, pitched into markets 40%  cheaper than the competition.
It never needed a stunt rider to be commissioned to make it look good.
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Re: Yamaha T7 - No longer a Concept
« Reply #2826 on: September 16, 2020, 09:18:40 pm »
To be fair, it would take one hell of a stunt rider to make a 800GS look good
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Re: Yamaha T7 - No longer a Concept
« Reply #2827 on: September 16, 2020, 09:20:49 pm »
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Re: Yamaha T7 - No longer a Concept
« Reply #2828 on: September 16, 2020, 09:21:30 pm »
Wanna know what I think a game changer is?
The 2008 F800gs.
A rotax 800cc parallel twin. No electronics, apart from ABS. Easy to read analog looking clocks
It is good at touring, road riding, off road riding and as a shuttle. Beautifully finished. Longevity. OK  suspension. Easy to use. Cheap to run. Light on fuel. Easy to maintain. Backed by a huge dealer network. Very good resale value.It even had 85 very usable HP. Best of all, it had a very sensible price tag.

The T7 reinvents the past then, with a modern day pricetag?
But is it Pol proof ?

There never was a need for the 800 to be Pol proof.
It sold well because of what it is.
It did not need any reviews, pitched into markets 40%  cheaper than the competition.
It never needed a stunt rider to be commissioned to make it look good.
Chris Pfeifer did do some wheelies and burnouts   ::)
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Re: Yamaha T7 - No longer a Concept
« Reply #2829 on: September 16, 2020, 09:26:39 pm »
Wanna know what I think a game changer is?
The 2008 F800gs.
A rotax 800cc parallel twin. No electronics, apart from ABS. Easy to read analog looking clocks
It is good at touring, road riding, off road riding and as a shuttle. Beautifully finished. Longevity. OK  suspension. Easy to use. Cheap to run. Light on fuel. Easy to maintain. Backed by a huge dealer network. Very good resale value.It even had 85 very usable HP. Best of all, it had a very sensible price tag.

The T7 reinvents the past then, with a modern day pricetag?
But is it Pol proof ?

There never was a need for the 800 to be Pol proof.
It sold well because of what it is.
It did not need any reviews, pitched into markets 40%  cheaper than the competition.
It never needed a stunt rider to be commissioned to make it look good.
Chris Pfeifer did do some wheelies and burnouts   ::)

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Re: Yamaha T7 - No longer a Concept
« Reply #2830 on: September 16, 2020, 09:27:30 pm »
4 year old models, almost obsolete already being sold at next year's price.... Interesting business plan!  :pot:
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Re: Yamaha T7 - No longer a Concept
« Reply #2831 on: September 16, 2020, 09:30:48 pm »
4 year old models, almost obsolete already being sold at next year's price.... Interesting business plan!  :pot:
DR650ís and XR650Lís are still sold new with tooling paid 20 years ago, makes perfect  business sense. If a product is good age is but a number.
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Re: Yamaha T7 - No longer a Concept
« Reply #2832 on: September 16, 2020, 09:32:28 pm »
Wanna know what I think a game changer is?
The 2008 F800gs.
A rotax 800cc parallel twin. No electronics, apart from ABS. Easy to read analog looking clocks
It is good at touring, road riding, off road riding and as a shuttle. Beautifully finished. Longevity. OK  suspension. Easy to use. Cheap to run. Light on fuel. Easy to maintain. Backed by a huge dealer network. Very good resale value.It even had 85 very usable HP. Best of all, it had a very sensible price tag.

The T7 reinvents the past then, with a modern day pricetag?
But is it Pol proof ?

There never was a need for the 800 to be Pol proof.
It sold well because of what it is.
It did not need any reviews, pitched into markets 40%  cheaper than the competition.
It never needed a stunt rider to be commissioned to make it look good.
Chris Pfeifer did do some wheelies and burnouts   ::)

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Pol = Mr Miyagi
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Re: Yamaha T7 - No longer a Concept
« Reply #2833 on: September 17, 2020, 01:17:03 am »
So entertaining after a long days of work to read through this thread  :imaposer:
I am not holding my breath for a stronger rand vs the usd, all indications are on a steadily weakening ZAR currency towards the end of the year.
Just keep in mind that most are missing the point wrt the T7 suggested price. The KTM's price is also going to skyrocket and there will be a relative gap or difference between the 2 bikes. No way KTM can keep the price down with a depreciation of the rand unless they have already imported and paid for a big shipment but then any business driven company will load the price relevant to the market figures because it's all about profit.
Most of you guys that can afford this bike straight away are business owners or in some profession and your success is not based on favours and cheap prices to the customers.
Maybe I'm not making sense, who cares?
The T7 sure remain many of us dream adventure bike!!
 

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Re: Yamaha T7 - No longer a Concept
« Reply #2834 on: September 17, 2020, 05:50:15 am »
Its 200kg and has 72 hp.
What would you want to control by adding electronics to this machine?
Or maybe they need electronics to tame 160HP so whats the point. Rather build something that does not need all that complications from the start. I was watching the Every Single Sunday video and the guy was sitting at the bottom of a sandy hill on his 790 furiously scrolling through his TFT searching for the perfect map meanwhile the guy on a KLR and T7 was waiting at the top already  :imaposer:

Just like a Trump wannabe you seem to prefer distorting the facts..... :peepwall:

First of all..... the KLR never made it to the top. Only the CR and T7 were there when he got to the top  :deal:
He was also not "furiously scrolling through his TFT at the bottom" - he very calmly spent all of 8 seconds switching off traction control. If you listen to his engine idling at that point, things were already not working properly and shortly after this his engine died due to an aftermarket part coming loose and cutting off fuel supply. Later in the video, he is back in Rally mode setting nr1, going up a sandy climb no problem and engine sounding much better because the aftermarket part had been properly fitted.

Just to be clear...... in Rally mode the 790's traction control is adjusted with the flick of a thumb, without having to stop or look at the screen. In Rally mode, all settings incl traction control and abs stay on your preference no matter how many times the bike is switched off, stalled or started
Travis also insists on riding the with the throttle response in Rally instead of offroad or street modes. This causes the jerkyness which is  very noticeable in all his videos. I've asked him about this and he doesn't seem to have a good reason for preferring this setting.
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Re: Yamaha T7 - No longer a Concept
« Reply #2835 on: September 17, 2020, 07:32:55 am »
Its 200kg and has 72 hp.
What would you want to control by adding electronics to this machine?
Or maybe they need electronics to tame 160HP so whats the point. Rather build something that does not need all that complications from the start. I was watching the Every Single Sunday video and the guy was sitting at the bottom of a sandy hill on his 790 furiously scrolling through his TFT searching for the perfect map meanwhile the guy on a KLR and T7 was waiting at the top already  :imaposer:

Just like a Trump wannabe you seem to prefer distorting the facts..... :peepwall:

First of all..... the KLR never made it to the top. Only the CR and T7 were there when he got to the top  :deal:
He was also not "furiously scrolling through his TFT at the bottom" - he very calmly spent all of 8 seconds switching off traction control. If you listen to his engine idling at that point, things were already not working properly and shortly after this his engine died due to an aftermarket part coming loose and cutting off fuel supply. Later in the video, he is back in Rally mode setting nr1, going up a sandy climb no problem and engine sounding much better because the aftermarket part had been properly fitted.

Just to be clear...... in Rally mode the 790's traction control is adjusted with the flick of a thumb, without having to stop or look at the screen. In Rally mode, all settings incl traction control and abs stay on your preference no matter how many times the bike is switched off, stalled or started
Travis also insists on riding the with the throttle response in Rally instead of offroad or street modes. This causes the jerkyness which is  very noticeable in all his videos. I've asked him about this and he doesn't seem to have a good reason for preferring this setting.

When you need to explain for someone else......... ;)
 

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Re: Yamaha T7 - No longer a Concept
« Reply #2836 on: September 17, 2020, 08:17:13 am »
Its 200kg and has 72 hp.
What would you want to control by adding electronics to this machine?
Or maybe they need electronics to tame 160HP so whats the point. Rather build something that does not need all that complications from the start. I was watching the Every Single Sunday video and the guy was sitting at the bottom of a sandy hill on his 790 furiously scrolling through his TFT searching for the perfect map meanwhile the guy on a KLR and T7 was waiting at the top already  :imaposer:

Just like a Trump wannabe you seem to prefer distorting the facts..... :peepwall:

First of all..... the KLR never made it to the top. Only the CR and T7 were there when he got to the top  :deal:
He was also not "furiously scrolling through his TFT at the bottom" - he very calmly spent all of 8 seconds switching off traction control. If you listen to his engine idling at that point, things were already not working properly and shortly after this his engine died due to an aftermarket part coming loose and cutting off fuel supply. Later in the video, he is back in Rally mode setting nr1, going up a sandy climb no problem and engine sounding much better because the aftermarket part had been properly fitted.

Just to be clear...... in Rally mode the 790's traction control is adjusted with the flick of a thumb, without having to stop or look at the screen. In Rally mode, all settings incl traction control and abs stay on your preference no matter how many times the bike is switched off, stalled or started
Travis also insists on riding the with the throttle response in Rally instead of offroad or street modes. This causes the jerkyness which is  very noticeable in all his videos. I've asked him about this and he doesn't seem to have a good reason for preferring this setting.
Sounds about right for most KTM outings  ;)
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Re: Yamaha T7 - No longer a Concept
« Reply #2837 on: September 17, 2020, 08:18:22 am »
So entertaining after a long days of work to read through this thread  :imaposer:
I am not holding my breath for a stronger rand vs the usd, all indications are on a steadily weakening ZAR currency towards the end of the year.
Just keep in mind that most are missing the point wrt the T7 suggested price. The KTM's price is also going to skyrocket and there will be a relative gap or difference between the 2 bikes. No way KTM can keep the price down with a depreciation of the rand unless they have already imported and paid for a big shipment but then any business driven company will load the price relevant to the market figures because it's all about profit.
Most of you guys that can afford this bike straight away are business owners or in some profession and your success is not based on favours and cheap prices to the customers.
Maybe I'm not making sense, who cares?
The T7 sure remain many of us dream adventure bike!!
Good old biking related banter  :lol8:
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Re: Yamaha T7 - No longer a Concept
« Reply #2838 on: September 17, 2020, 08:24:15 am »
So entertaining after a long days of work to read through this thread  :imaposer:
I am not holding my breath for a stronger rand vs the usd, all indications are on a steadily weakening ZAR currency towards the end of the year.
Just keep in mind that most are missing the point wrt the T7 suggested price. The KTM's price is also going to skyrocket and there will be a relative gap or difference between the 2 bikes. No way KTM can keep the price down with a depreciation of the rand unless they have already imported and paid for a big shipment but then any business driven company will load the price relevant to the market figures because it's all about profit.
Most of you guys that can afford this bike straight away are business owners or in some profession and your success is not based on favours and cheap prices to the customers.
Maybe I'm not making sense, who cares?
The T7 sure remain many of us dream adventure bike!!
Good old biking related banter  :lol8:

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Re: Yamaha T7 - No longer a Concept
« Reply #2839 on: September 17, 2020, 09:01:05 am »
To be fair, it would take one hell of a stunt rider to make a 800GS look good

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How far are you from swinging a leg over, say a testride on this newfangled T7?
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