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Offline Dwerg

Re: Yamaha T7 - No longer a Concept
« Reply #2840 on: September 17, 2020, 09:55:42 am »
To be fair, it would take one hell of a stunt rider to make a 800GS look good

 :lol8: Jay Dwerg, it seems your humour was never affected!  :thumleft:
How far are you from swinging a leg over, say a testride on this newfangled T7?
Hope its height will allow for your posture at least  ;)

I will most definitely go test ride it once they have demo's! Although I haven't had much success with trying to get a demo ride out of Yamaha in the past

I can swing leg over just fine but my body isn't ready for off road riding yet. Shopping for a road bike in the mean time
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Re: Yamaha T7 - No longer a Concept
« Reply #2841 on: September 17, 2020, 11:11:37 am »
To be fair, it would take one hell of a stunt rider to make a 800GS look good

Ha ha, I'll admit that when looking for my first adventure bike that this video caught me hook line and sinker

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Re: Yamaha T7 - No longer a Concept
« Reply #2842 on: September 17, 2020, 11:20:31 am »
To be fair, it would take one hell of a stunt rider to make a 800GS look good

Ha ha, I'll admit that when looking for my first adventure bike that this video caught me hook line and sinker

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/FsX_i0AKgx8" target="_blank" class="new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/FsX_i0AKgx8</a>
Yeah, for the most part itís the rider and not the bike. He does the same stunts with a 1600GTL.

The problem is most of is are not that good and need a machine that inspires confidence which is a concept relative to the rider and his/her own experience.

On one of the international groups, whenever someone enquires about lowered suspension for the GSA, someone invariably post a video of Jocelin Snow which I find both amusing and irritating. The average rider will never reach her level of competence.
 

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Re: Yamaha T7 - No longer a Concept
« Reply #2843 on: September 17, 2020, 11:20:55 am »
To be fair, it would take one hell of a stunt rider to make a 800GS look good

Ha ha, I'll admit that when looking for my first adventure bike that this video caught me hook line and sinker

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/FsX_i0AKgx8" target="_blank" class="new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/FsX_i0AKgx8</a>

He must have helium in those boxes  :peepwall:
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Re: Yamaha T7 - No longer a Concept
« Reply #2844 on: September 17, 2020, 08:42:26 pm »
This thread has sunk to an all-time low what with GS800 stuff being put up. :pot:
 

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Re: Yamaha T7 - No longer a Concept
« Reply #2845 on: September 17, 2020, 09:22:39 pm »
The GS800 haters can say what they want - but it is and will still probably for some time be the most successful mid-size adv bike of all time!!! :peepwall:
If it wasn't for the 800's success, their might possibly not have been a "mid-size" segment!!! I owned the legend too - XRV750, and believe me - the 800's are streets better - just not the same character... :pot:

Just saying... :P
 

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Re: Yamaha T7 - No longer a Concept
« Reply #2846 on: September 17, 2020, 09:32:30 pm »
The GS800 haters can say what they want - but it is and will still probably for some time be the most successful mid-size adv bike of all time!!! :peepwall:
If it wasn't for the 800's success, their might possibly not have been a "mid-size" segment!!! I owned the legend too - XRV750, and believe me - the 800's are streets better - just not the same character... :pot:

Just saying... :P
I bought one in the UK and had no complaints. Comfortable, reliable and easy to maintain if you have enough mechanical knowledge to know the difference between a shifting spanner and a vice grip.

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Re: Yamaha T7 - No longer a Concept
« Reply #2847 on: September 17, 2020, 10:03:20 pm »
The GS800 haters can say what they want - but it is and will still probably for some time be the most successful mid-size adv bike of all time!!! :peepwall:
If it wasn't for the 800's success, their might possibly not have been a "mid-size" segment!!! I owned the legend too - XRV750, and believe me - the 800's are streets better - just not the same character... :pot:

Just saying... :P
I second that!
 

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Re: Yamaha T7 - No longer a Concept
« Reply #2848 on: September 18, 2020, 06:12:46 am »
Another point of view.

https://advrider.com/2021-yamaha-tenere-700-tested-for-over-1500-miles/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=editorial&utm_content=09_16_2020

Well my plan was to wait for the Tenere but I got impatient and bought a second hand 800 instead, I'm having a blast on it.  :ricky:
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Re: Yamaha T7 - No longer a Concept
« Reply #2849 on: September 18, 2020, 07:28:10 am »
The GS800 haters can say what they want - but it is and will still probably for some time be the most successful mid-size adv bike of all time!!! :peepwall:
If it wasn't for the 800's success, their might possibly not have been a "mid-size" segment!!! I owned the legend too - XRV750, and believe me - the 800's are streets better - just not the same character... :pot:

Just saying... :P

I did well over 100k km on my 2 800s and they served me well so don't take my jokes about them too seriously  ;)
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Re: Yamaha T7 - No longer a Concept
« Reply #2850 on: September 18, 2020, 07:29:17 am »
Another point of view.

https://advrider.com/2021-yamaha-tenere-700-tested-for-over-1500-miles/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=editorial&utm_content=09_16_2020

Well my plan was to wait for the Tenere but I got impatient and bought a second hand 800 instead, I'm having a blast on it.  :ricky:

Nice review. Just the end bit that gets me again. In other markets, the T7 is 25-30% cheaper than a 790  :-\
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Re: Yamaha T7 - No longer a Concept
« Reply #2851 on: September 18, 2020, 08:25:00 am »
In other markets, the T7 is 25-30% cheaper than a 790

That is valid for any review carried forward here, any & all!
A bike is judged in its class, and an obvious price difference just sets it apart even more as anyone appreciates value for money - which the T7 has in those markets due to its relative low pricetag hence the glowing reviews.
But, since Yamaha SA priced it same as the 790 it must be judged accordingly, and then it simply looses out - no contest really.
Which is a pity as this bike looks to be a nice one, there's nothing wrong with it.
But if the asking price is relationally unfair then demand will be small and sales will suffer, only aggravated by the feeling that we're done-in pricewise because the rest of the world gets this bike a whole lot cheaper.

Yamaha SA, you certainly know how to stuff up your reputation here, my compliments!
First you took 4 years to 'develop' a chassis (the motor you already had) during which looooong time KTM developed AND launched not only the 790 Duke but also the 790 Adventure & R, in fact they already were finishing the 890. To summarize, that's a whole family of bikes compared to your single chassis only!
Then you saw it fit to offer this bike to your main markets first at a considerably lower price than your opposition, but read 'KTM 790 Adv' here. The latter was released before you did, they received really raving reviews on top of that, then next they got the market flooded with orange already by the time you had your bike ready - but, your bike was priced right, quite a bit lower due to a lot lesser level of sophistication, let's agree on the term 'simplicity' here. This fair pricepoint became your singlemost argument for the sales you managed to get, I'm sure you also realize this.
Then next you announce to eventually release this bike into "lesser" markets, SA being one of them... and with a single announcement you take away any price advantage pitching the bike directly against your orange opposition! You know you lost that battle already, and now by means of your pricing strategy you add insult to your self-inflicted injury?

You grossly underestimate your market's buyers I'm afraid, and here Honda's 450 saga should have been taken as a rather dimly-shining example.... is learning that difficult for you?
I'm sure we'll see more outboards sold here, well done!  :thumleft:
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Re: Yamaha T7 - No longer a Concept
« Reply #2852 on: September 18, 2020, 08:53:34 am »
Cant wait to ride this bike, was already dreaming about it the other night  :ricky: I will patiently wait, going to be worth it.
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Re: Yamaha T7 - No longer a Concept
« Reply #2853 on: September 18, 2020, 09:03:27 am »
In other markets, the T7 is 25-30% cheaper than a 790

That is valid for any review carried forward here, any & all!
A bike is judged in its class, and an obvious price difference just sets it apart even more as anyone appreciates value for money - which the T7 has in those markets due to its relative low pricetag hence the glowing reviews.
But, since Yamaha SA priced it same as the 790 it must be judged accordingly, and then it simply looses out - no contest really.
Which is a pity as this bike looks to be a nice one, there's nothing wrong with it.
But if the asking price is relationally unfair then demand will be small and sales will suffer, only aggravated by the feeling that we're done-in pricewise because the rest of the world gets this bike a whole lot cheaper.

Yamaha SA, you certainly know how to stuff up your reputation here, my compliments!
First you took 4 years to 'develop' a chassis (the motor you already had) during which looooong time KTM developed AND launched not only the 790 Duke but also the 790 Adventure & R, in fact they already were finishing the 890. To summarize, that's a whole family of bikes compared to your single chassis only!
Then you saw it fit to offer this bike to your main markets first at a considerably lower price than your opposition, but read 'KTM 790 Adv' here. The latter was released before you did, they received really raving reviews on top of that, then next they got the market flooded with orange already by the time you had your bike ready - but, your bike was priced right, quite a bit lower due to a lot lesser level of sophistication, let's agree on the term 'simplicity' here. This fair pricepoint became your singlemost argument for the sales you managed to get, I'm sure you also realize this.
Then next you announce to eventually release this bike into "lesser" markets, SA being one of them... and with a single announcement you take away any price advantage pitching the bike directly against your orange opposition! You know you lost that battle already, and now by means of your pricing strategy you want to add insult to your self-inflicted injury?

You grossly underestimate your market's buyers I'm afraid, and here Honda's 450 saga should have been taken as a rather dimly-shining example.... is learning that difficult for you?
I'm sure we'll see more outboards sold here, well done!  :thumleft:
Simply put Japanese dual sport bikes are made with long production runs in mind. KLR - 34 years, DR650 - 24 years, XR650L - 28 years, XT660Z - 10 years, DRZ 400 - 19 years etc etc. so it's no surprise they take 4 years to develop a bike. Thing is in all those years just about nothing but the stickers and colours get updated. You cant compare that with the orange bikes. KTM's main market is DS for the Japanese most likely 4th or 5th most important. I would rather wait for a bike that is sorted and will still be relevant and reliable 15 years from now.
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Re: Yamaha T7 - No longer a Concept
« Reply #2854 on: September 18, 2020, 11:31:11 am »
Locally, the much anticipated T7 already have a couple of nicknames. Lets look at it:

Yamaha boykies:
Game changer
Toyota
K5

Normal people:
Unicorn
Mule
Donkey
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Re: Yamaha T7 - No longer a Concept
« Reply #2855 on: September 18, 2020, 12:02:28 pm »
Simply put Japanese dual sport bikes are made with long production runs in mind. KLR - 34 years, DR650 - 24 years, XR650L - 28 years, XT660Z - 10 years, DRZ 400 - 19 years etc etc. so it's no surprise they take 4 years to develop a bike.

Those bikes you mention were also very affordable which is partly why they remained relevant for so long. Cheap to buy and maintain.

If you price in the same range as BMW/KTM most will expect the same level of sophistication.

Weíll have to wait and see.
 

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Re: Yamaha T7 - No longer a Concept
« Reply #2856 on: September 18, 2020, 12:47:45 pm »
The GS800 haters can say what they want - but it is and will still probably for some time be the most successful mid-size adv bike of all time!!! :peepwall:
If it wasn't for the 800's success, their might possibly not have been a "mid-size" segment!!! I owned the legend too - XRV750, and believe me - the 800's are streets better - just not the same character... :pot:

Just saying... :P

Altie 7delaan will shortly tell you that 100's of thousands of happy Conquest owners are also, well....happy.

And in a way this adresses the purpose of the T7. Not built to win the Dakar, but built reliably and solidly for the average rider, which is the vast majority of the D/S world.
 

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Re: Yamaha T7 - No longer a Concept
« Reply #2857 on: September 18, 2020, 01:16:34 pm »
The GS800 haters can say what they want - but it is and will still probably for some time be the most successful mid-size adv bike of all time!!! :peepwall:
If it wasn't for the 800's success, their might possibly not have been a "mid-size" segment!!! I owned the legend too - XRV750, and believe me - the 800's are streets better - just not the same character... :pot:

Just saying... :P

Altie 7delaan will shortly tell you that 100's of thousands of happy Conquest owners are also, well....happy.

And in a way this adresses the purpose of the T7. Not built to win the Dakar, but built reliably and solidly for the average rider, which is the vast majority of the D/S world.

Not if the Conquest was the price of a Merc A Class....
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Re: Yamaha T7 - No longer a Concept
« Reply #2858 on: September 18, 2020, 01:47:36 pm »
Not if the Conquest was the price of a Merc A Class....

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Eggzaggerly!
Price is paramount, and will lead to direct comparisons with otherwise irrelevant competitors, in this case the 790 R - and it looses there I'm afraid, the latter genuinely at the forefront of its class.

Look at Page 1 of this fred, they seem to have had the bike ready already - that's FOUR years ago!
Allow for some (chassis only!) tinkering to make it perfect and they should have released it, before orange did theirs....... I bet most of the current 790-owners would be riding one instead of their (admittedly great, lekker & haastig etc) current steed!
There, I've said it Dan, may even have been me!
But alas, time took its toll, and now the asking price will be its deathknell locally.
Oh well....... NEXT!
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Re: Yamaha T7 - No longer a Concept
« Reply #2859 on: September 18, 2020, 06:39:58 pm »
Not if the Conquest was the price of a Merc A Class....

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Eggzaggerly!
Price is paramount, and will lead to direct comparisons with otherwise irrelevant competitors, in this case the 790 R - and it looses there I'm afraid, the latter genuinely at the forefront of its class.

Look at Page 1 of this fred, they seem to have had the bike ready already - that's FOUR years ago!
Allow for some (chassis only!) tinkering to make it perfect and they should have released it, before orange did theirs....... I bet most of the current 790-owners would be riding one instead of their (admittedly great, lekker & haastig etc) current steed!
There, I've said it Dan, may even have been me!
But alas, time took its toll, and now the asking price will be its deathknell locally.
Oh well....... NEXT!
Well the SA market makes out 0.00001 % of Yamaha sales so I doubt they will have sleepless nights.
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