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Re: MotoGP 2017
« Reply #180 on: May 08, 2017, 10:08:57 am »
Wowza!  Darryn Binder!  Awesome ride till the little incident with Fenati had you chowing kitty litter.  Nice to see the Platinum Bay Team competitive again.  Now, calm down a tad and get on the podium!


Yup, so awesome to see a Binder leading a Moto3 race again  :thumleft:
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Re: MotoGP 2017
« Reply #181 on: May 08, 2017, 10:24:00 am »
Wowza!  Darryn Binder!  Awesome ride till the little incident with Fenati had you chowing kitty litter.  Nice to see the Platinum Bay Team competitive again.  Now, calm down a tad and get on the podium!


Yup, so awesome to see a Binder leading a Moto3 race again  :thumleft:

Agreed!!
But that red mist....
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Re: MotoGP 2017
« Reply #182 on: May 08, 2017, 10:32:03 am »
Wowza!  Darryn Binder!  Awesome ride till the little incident with Fenati had you chowing kitty litter.  Nice to see the Platinum Bay Team competitive again.  Now, calm down a tad and get on the podium!


Yup, so awesome to see a Binder leading a Moto3 race again  :thumleft:

Agreed!!
But that red mist....

Indeed.  Darryn (imho) has always been more prone too red mist than Brad, but he is an excellent rider.  Perhaps, as he realises he now has a competitive bike, he will get better at controlling the red mist.
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Re: MotoGP 2017
« Reply #183 on: May 08, 2017, 11:23:09 am »
Guy's, please explain something to me.
I am no expert at all and I enjoy watching the Motogp so much that I don't miss any of the races but I cant understand why Rossi had problems with his tyres because if I am not mistaken he was also on HARD front and HARD rear like 90% of the other riders and non of the other riders was so badly affected than him.
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Re: MotoGP 2017
« Reply #184 on: May 08, 2017, 12:31:04 pm »
Guy's, please explain something to me.
I am no expert at all and I enjoy watching the Motogp so much that I don't miss any of the races but I cant understand why Rossi had problems with his tyres because if I am not mistaken he was also on HARD front and HARD rear like 90% of the other riders and non of the other riders was so badly affected than him.

Rossi, as far as I am aware used a medium rear.  Rossi stated that they gambled with the medium as the hard caused so much wheel spin the bike was impossible to ride.  The medium was better, but still caused too much wheel spin.  So, why did he struggle more?

It is difficult to answer, but my guess would be that the way they set his bike up made a bigger negative impact.   Also, all using the same standard ECU you will probably find that on some track conditions (heat, etc) the standard ECU just cannot allow the setup required for that bike and that rider in those conditions.
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Re: MotoGP 2017
« Reply #185 on: May 09, 2017, 09:22:04 am »
During Monday testing on Jerez Vinales was almost a second a lap faster without any changes to the bike from the previous day and clocked the fastest times for the day, followed by Marquez.  Rossi was even slower, 21st on the timing lists, but reports are his team tested different chassis / tire combinations.

Rossi's tires during the last laps of the race on Sunday.

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Re: MotoGP 2017
« Reply #186 on: May 11, 2017, 11:54:20 am »
Guy's, please explain something to me.
I am no expert at all and I enjoy watching the Motogp so much that I don't miss any of the races but I cant understand why Rossi had problems with his tyres because if I am not mistaken he was also on HARD front and HARD rear like 90% of the other riders and non of the other riders was so badly affected than him.

Tyre degradation is affected by several variables, mainly track temperature but also bike set up and riding style. Bike set up referring to front vs rear weight bias and riding style referring to braking style (late hard vs early smooth). Other factors like corner speed and lean angle also come into it. Bike set up gets very finicky when you are searching for tenths of a second. You change one thing slightly and something else goes off.

Each rider has a predominant riding style and depending on the track characteristics on the day, that style can work or not work. Really good riders can modify their styles to the conditions but it's a hard thing to do. Biaggi and Pedrosa for example find it very hard to adjust their riding styles. Rossi, Stoner and some others can change quite quickly, they can ride it lose, ride it in line, ride it sideways, etc etc.

Now coming to the Rossi tyre issue, he was off the pace all weekend, just before the race he changed to a set up that they hadn't tested, hoping it would give him better pace but what it caused was excessive tyre degradation and the gamble didn't work.

See article below for an interesting read on Scott Redding struggles with set up :
http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/245369/1/redding-this-bike-is-such-a-fine-line.html

And Rossi here:
http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/245340/1/rossi-yamaha-doesnt-have-good-marriage-with-tyres.html
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Re: MotoGP 2017
« Reply #187 on: May 20, 2017, 03:58:36 pm »
KTM 8th and 10th on the Grid at Le Mans and the two Yamaha's on Pole. Looking forward to Tomorrow,
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Re: MotoGP 2017
« Reply #188 on: May 20, 2017, 04:02:41 pm »
KTM 8th and 10th on the Grid at Le Mans and the two Yamaha's on Pole. Looking forward to Tomorrow,
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« Reply #189 on: May 20, 2017, 04:24:35 pm »
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Re: MotoGP 2017
« Reply #190 on: May 20, 2017, 05:01:06 pm »
Moto 3 starts 10.45
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Re: MotoGP 2017
« Reply #191 on: May 20, 2017, 05:03:29 pm »
Did anyone see Jack Miller's crash from earlier today.

Very lucky to walk away from this:





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Re: MotoGP 2017
« Reply #192 on: May 20, 2017, 05:27:52 pm »
Holy Crap, that is unbelievable Luck.
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Re: MotoGP 2017
« Reply #193 on: May 21, 2017, 11:08:21 am »
Carnage in GP3, there are some very,very lucky Riders. Looks like Oil on the Track.
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Re: MotoGP 2017
« Reply #194 on: May 21, 2017, 12:01:46 pm »
I can't believe he walked away from that!!! That's incredible.

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Re: MotoGP 2017
« Reply #195 on: May 21, 2017, 12:11:35 pm »
OFFS!

Binder's first podium chance blown. What was he doing? Strange line into the corner that I think he was doing to put the followers off.
I wonder where that gravel road goes? And that, has usually made all the difference. (Apologies to Mr Frost)

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« Reply #196 on: May 21, 2017, 12:24:29 pm »
Nooooooo Darryn  :(
Incredible save, gets up into second, then  :'(
 

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Re: MotoGP 2017
« Reply #197 on: May 21, 2017, 12:28:21 pm »
Huge let down.. But, he's showing HUGE Potential, so, should see him on the podiums soon..

Any idea how much longer Brad is off in recovery?
 

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Re: MotoGP 2017
« Reply #198 on: May 21, 2017, 12:52:10 pm »
How the heck did the marshals not see the oil on the track?  Hard to believe no one was seriously injured.


Nooooooo Darryn  :(
Incredible save, gets up into second, then  :'(

The DB40 dude is going to make me cry .... I always cry after I have crapped myself! 
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Re: MotoGP 2017
« Reply #199 on: May 21, 2017, 02:19:12 pm »
Who is on the KTM's please?
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