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Re: MotoGP 2017
« Reply #40 on: February 22, 2017, 04:36:45 pm »
The Katoom is the only motogp bike with a steel trellis frame, it would be interesting to see if that will become a talking point if they start doing well. Or should that be WHEN they start doing well :)
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Re: MotoGP 2017
« Reply #41 on: February 22, 2017, 07:28:39 pm »
Silly question from a newb ....

Didn't the Ducati have a trellis frame? And, if so, why haven't they got one any more?

I hope it's gonna be different but I reckon the KTM is gonna get shafted ......  :-\
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Re: MotoGP 2017
« Reply #42 on: February 22, 2017, 07:36:00 pm »
You may be right :-[
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Re: MotoGP 2017
« Reply #43 on: February 23, 2017, 08:32:52 am »
Quote from: Cracker on February 22, 2017, 07:28:39 pm
Silly question from a newb ....

Didn't the Ducati have a trellis frame? And, if so, why haven't they got one any more?

I hope it's gonna be different but I reckon the KTM is gonna get shafted ......  :-\
Carbon/ steel frame which was labeled to stiff by the riders. In WSBK they run trellis frames, but not in MotoGP
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Re: MotoGP 2017
« Reply #44 on: February 23, 2017, 08:34:30 am »
Quote from: cocky on February 23, 2017, 08:32:52 am
Quote from: Cracker on February 22, 2017, 07:28:39 pm
Silly question from a newb ....

Didn't the Ducati have a trellis frame? And, if so, why haven't they got one any more?

I hope it's gonna be different but I reckon the KTM is gonna get shafted ......  :-\
Carbon/ steel frame which was labeled too stiff by the riders. In WSBK they run trellis frames, but not in MotoGP

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Re: MotoGP 2017
« Reply #45 on: February 23, 2017, 08:35:15 am »
Quote from: bud500 on February 23, 2017, 08:34:30 am
Quote from: cocky on February 23, 2017, 08:32:52 am
Quote from: Cracker on February 22, 2017, 07:28:39 pm
Silly question from a newb ....

Didn't the Ducati have a trellis frame? And, if so, why haven't they got one any more?

I hope it's gonna be different but I reckon the KTM is gonna get shafted ......  :-\
Carbon/ steel frame which was labeled too stiff by the riders. In WSBK they run trellis frames, but not in MotoGP

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Re: MotoGP 2017
« Reply #46 on: February 23, 2017, 04:43:09 pm »
Quote from: cocky on February 23, 2017, 08:35:15 am
Quote from: bud500 on February 23, 2017, 08:34:30 am
Quote from: cocky on February 23, 2017, 08:32:52 am
Quote from: Cracker on February 22, 2017, 07:28:39 pm
Silly question from a newb ....

Didn't the Ducati have a trellis frame? And, if so, why haven't they got one any more?

I hope it's gonna be different but I reckon the KTM is gonna get shafted ......  :-\
Carbon/ steel frame which was labeled too stiff by the riders. In WSBK they run trellis frames, but not in MotoGP

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Re: MotoGP 2017
« Reply #47 on: February 23, 2017, 04:45:05 pm »
Quote from: I&horse on February 23, 2017, 04:43:09 pm
Quote from: cocky on February 23, 2017, 08:35:15 am
Quote from: bud500 on February 23, 2017, 08:34:30 am
Quote from: cocky on February 23, 2017, 08:32:52 am
Quote from: Cracker on February 22, 2017, 07:28:39 pm
Silly question from a newb ....

Didn't the Ducati have a trellis frame? And, if so, why haven't they got one any more?

I hope it's gonna be different but I reckon the KTM is gonna get shafted ......  :-\
Carbon/ steel frame which was labeled too stiff by the riders. In WSBK they run trellis frames, but not in MotoGP

You're welcome.
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Re: MotoGP 2017
« Reply #48 on: February 24, 2017, 09:44:16 am »
Do we have a WSBK, or more importantly a WSS thread somewhere here?
First race is this weekend and I see Shez is struggling with technical issues.
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Re: MotoGP 2017
« Reply #49 on: February 24, 2017, 02:11:48 pm »
Quote from: bud500 on February 24, 2017, 09:44:16 am
Do we have a WSBK, or more importantly a WSS thread somewhere here?
First race is this weekend and I see Shez is struggling with technical issues.

Mod posting in the wrong thread, bad form.
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Re: MotoGP 2017
« Reply #50 on: March 08, 2017, 08:42:32 pm »
Official Moto 2 and 3 testing from Jerez.

Moto 3 overall after day 1:

#40 Darryn Binder, 11th, 0.7 sec off fastest.  Darryn is riding for the same team he did last year, but the team (thankfully) dumped the Mahindras for KTM this year.

Moto 2 Overall after day 1:

#41 Brad Binder, 11th, 1,0 sec off fastest, #44 Miguel Oliviera who is Brad's team mate.  This bodes well for the brand spanking new Honda engined KTM Moto2  team.
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Re: MotoGP 2017
« Reply #51 on: March 09, 2017, 11:20:15 am »
I read Brad did most of the day's testing on old tyres and when they fitted a new set it had a bubble.
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Re: MotoGP 2017
« Reply #52 on: March 09, 2017, 02:35:54 pm »
Quote from: bud500 on March 09, 2017, 11:20:15 am
I read Brad did most of the day's testing on old tyres and when they fitted a new set it had a bubble.

Didn't see that, but quite possible.  Some teams do a heck of a lot of testing on old tires.  The Ajo Team would as they are super professional and would want data from old tires.  Also Brad prefers to do lots of laps on old tires and he also prefers the bike set up to be better with the older tires.

I heard Darryn was a tad hooliganish as he destroyed his tire allocation for the day in 2 sessions.  He only had rubber for 15 - 20 minutes of the third session!   :imaposer:

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Re: MotoGP 2017
« Reply #53 on: March 09, 2017, 03:03:01 pm »
Quote from: TheBear on March 09, 2017, 02:35:54 pm
Quote from: bud500 on March 09, 2017, 11:20:15 am
I read Brad did most of the day's testing on old tyres and when they fitted a new set it had a bubble.

Didn't see that, but quite possible. 

The info was relayed after Rob Portman had a telephonic chat with Brad last night.
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Re: MotoGP 2017
« Reply #54 on: March 09, 2017, 03:04:19 pm »
TheBear, can you possibly list all the Rookies in Moto2 this year?
I'm trying to gauge where Brad slots in.
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Re: MotoGP 2017
« Reply #55 on: March 09, 2017, 05:43:51 pm »
Quote from: bud500 on March 09, 2017, 03:04:19 pm
TheBear, can you possibly list all the Rookies in Moto2 this year?
I'm trying to gauge where Brad slots in.

This is the timing chart (overall) for yesterday.  Rookies in bold.  We see old arch enemy. one Mr. Navarro right up there with Brad.  Brad seems to be in the top 3 or so, rookies, so far.  Also look at the blue names.  These are big names in Moto 2, but behind Brad.

1.   Miguel Oliveira   POR   Red Bull KTM Ajo   (KTM)   1m   42.316s   [Session 2]
2.   Takaaki Nakagami   JPN   Idemitsu Honda Team Asia   (Kalex)   1m   42.503s   [Session 1]
3.   Mattia Pasini   ITA   Italtrans Racing Team   (Kalex)   1m   42.842s   [Session 1]
4.   Luca Marini   ITA   Forward Racing Team   (Kalex)   1m   43.040s   [Session 1]
5.   Franco Morbidelli   ITA   EG 0.0 Marc VDS   (Kalex)   1m   43.045s   [Session 2]
6.   Thomas Luthi   SWI   Carxpert Interwetten   (Kalex)   1m   43.068s   [Session 1]
7.   Dominique Aegerter   SWI   Kiefer Racing   (Suter)   1m   43.075s   [Session 1]
8.   Alex Marquez   SPA   EG 0.0 Marc VDS   (Kalex)   1m   43.094s   [Session 1]
9.   Khaiirul Idham Pawi   MAL   Idemitsu Honda Team Asia   (Kalex)   1m   43.292s   [Session 2]
10.   Jorge Navarro   SPA   Federal Oil Gresini Moto2   (Kalex)   1m   43.299s   [Session 3]
11.   Brad Binder   RSA   Red Bull KTM Ajo   (KTM)   1m   43.367s   [Session 2]
12.   Axel Pons   SPA   RW Racing GP   (Kalex)   1m   43.481s   [Session 1]
13.   Danny Kent   GBR   Kieffer Racing   (Suter)   1m   43.486s   [Session 1]
14.   Xavier Simeon   BEL   Tasca Racing Scuderia Moto2   (Kalex)   1m   43.536s   [Session 3]
15.   Hafiz Syahrin   MAL   Petronas Raceline Malaysia   (Kalex)   1m   43.570s   [Session 1]
16.   Simone Corsi   ITA   Speed Up   (Speed Up)   1m   43.576s   [Session 2]
17.   Sandro Cortese   GER   Dynavolt Intact GP   (Suter)   1m   43.579s   [Session 3]
18.   Fabio Quartararo   FRA   Pons HP 40   (Kalex)   1m   43.593s   [Session 1]
19.   Xavi Vierge   SPA   Tech 3 Racing   (Tech 3)   1m   43.630s   [Session 3]
20.   Andrea Locatelli   ITA   Italtrans Racing Team   (Kalex)   1m   43.632s   [Session 2]
21.   Edgar Pons   SPA   Pons HP 40   (Kalex)   1m   43.646s   [Session 2]
22.   Marcel Schrotter   GER   Dynavolt Intact GP   (Suter)   1m   43.871s   [Session 1]
23.   Isaac Viņales   SPA   SAG Team   (Kalex)   1m   43.891s   [Session 2]
24.   Yonny Hernandez   COL   AGR Team   (Kalex)   1m   43.954s   [Session 3]
25.   Francesco Bagnaia   ITA   Sky Racing Team VR46   (Kalex)   1m   44.008s   [Session 3]
26.   Tetsuta Nagashima   JPN   Teluru SAG Team   (Kalex)   1m   44.014s   [Session 1]
27.   Iker Lecuona   SPA   Garage Plus Interwetten   (Kalex)   1m   44.212s   [Session 3]
28.   Jesko Raffin   SWI   Garage Plus Interwetten   (Kalex)   1m   44.283s   [Session 3]
29.   Remi Gardner   AUS   Tech 3 Racing   (Tech 3)   1m   44.382s   [Session 3]
30.   Axel Bassni   ITA   Speed Up   (Speed Up)   1m   44.713s   [Session 2]

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Re: MotoGP 2017
« Reply #56 on: March 09, 2017, 06:23:14 pm »
Darryn is currently 10th fastest (overall) after 2 days (6 sessions) of testing.  He struggled with clutch problems in the last session, but I reckon 10th fastest is not at all a bad spot.
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Re: MotoGP 2017
« Reply #57 on: March 10, 2017, 12:49:38 pm »
The Moto2 Katooms was not so hot yesterday and even today.  I wonder if they have issues, or testing some settings, or something.

Yesterday - Overall:

1.   Franco Morbidelli   ITA   EG 0.0 Marc VDS   (Kalex)   1m   42.301s   [Session 1]

2.   Alex Marquez   SPA   EG 0.0 Marc VDS   (Kalex)   1m   42.546s   [Session 3]
3.   Takaaki Nakagami   JPN   Idemitsu Honda Team Asia   (Kalex)   1m   42.729s   [Session 3]
4.   Fabio Quartararo   FRA   Pons HP 40   (Kalex)   1m   42.844s   [Session 1]
5.   Luca Marini   ITA   Forward Racing Team   (Kalex)   1m   42.853s   [Session 1]
6.   Mattia Pasini   ITA   Italtrans Racing Team   (Kalex)   1m   42.862s   [Session 1]
7.   Jorge Navarro   SPA   Federal Oil Gresini Moto2   (Kalex)   1m   42.987s   [Session 1]
8.   Edgar Pons   SPA   Pons HP 40   (Kalex)   1m   42.987s   [Session 3]
9.   Danny Kent   GBR   Kieffer Racing   (Suter)   1m   43.029s   [Session 1]
10.   Axel Pons   SPA   RW Racing GP   (Kalex)   1m   43.088s   [Session 1]
11.   Khairul Idham Pawi   MAL   Idemitsu Honda Team Asia   (Kalex)   1m   43.156s   [Session 3]
12.   Dominique Aegerter   SWI   Kiefer Racing   (Suter)   1m   43.187s   [Session 3]
13.   Yonny Hernandez   COL   AGR Team   (Kalex)   1m   43.196s   [Session 1]
14.   Miguel Oliveira   POR   Red Bull KTM Ajo   (KTM)   1m   43.229s   [Session 3]
15.   Thomas Luthi   SWI   Carxpert Interwetten   (Kalex)   1m   43.257s   [Session 1]
16.   Xavi Vierge   SPA   Tech 3 Racing   (Tech 3)   1m   43.267s   [Session 1]
17.   Hafiz Syahrin   MAL   Petronas Raceline Malaysia   (Kalex)   1m   43.270s   [Session 1]
18.   Tetsuta Nagashima   JPN   Teluru SAG Team   (Kalex)   1m   43.271s   [Session 3]
19.   Simone Corsi   ITA   Speed Up Racing   (Speed Up)   1m   43.288s   [Session 1]
20.   Andrea Locatelli   ITA   Italtrans Racing Team   (Kalex)   1m   43.305s   [Session 1]
21.   Xavier Simeon   BEL   Tasca Racing Scuderia Moto2   (Kalex)   1m   43.379s   [Session 3]
22.   Brad Binder   RSA   Red Bull KTM Ajo   (KTM)   1m   43.489s   [Session 1]
23.   Francesco Bagnaia   ITA   Sky Racing Team VR46   (Kalex)   1m   43.544s   [Session 1]
24.   Marcel Schrotter   GER   Dynavolt Intact GP   (Suter)   1m   43.580s   [Session 1]
25.   Remi Gardner   AUS   Tech 3 Racing   (Tech 3)   1m   43.752s   [Session 3]
26.   Iker Lecuona   SPA   Garage Plus Interwetten   (Kalex)   1m   43.787s   [Session 3]
27.   Sandro Cortese   GER   Dynavolt Intact GP   (Suter)   1m   43.788s   [Session 1]
28.   Isaac Viņales   SPA   SAG Team   (Kalex)   1m   43.825s   [Session 1]
29.   Jesko Raffin   SWI   Garage Plus Interwetten   (Kalex)   1m   43.901s   [Session 3]
30.   Axel Bassani   ITA   Speed Up Racing   (Speed Up)   1m   45.096s   [Session 1]

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Re: MotoGP 2017
« Reply #58 on: March 10, 2017, 04:23:58 pm »
If you weren't on a Kalex yesterday you were going nowhere..... at least Oliveira running 3rd today but still 0.4s off the pace.

Brad 26th - difficult to judge cause you don't know what tyres & development bits they're running.
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« Reply #59 on: March 12, 2017, 03:05:00 pm »
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