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Re: 690 Clutch issues
« Reply #40 on: June 18, 2018, 12:17:47 pm »
Thanks, ordered mine, on it's way already  ;)

Great! From where did you order? Total price?
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Re: 690 Clutch issues
« Reply #41 on: June 18, 2018, 12:40:17 pm »
Oberon, 2.25K incl insured shipping (no other option)
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Re: 690 Clutch issues
« Reply #42 on: June 18, 2018, 12:42:13 pm »
Oberon, 2.25K incl insured shipping (no other option)

Thanks, ordered directly from Oberon?
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Re: 690 Clutch issues
« Reply #43 on: June 18, 2018, 02:20:42 pm »
Definitely a bit too high and the 701 (2017 onward) is even higher since it makes the torque higher up than the 690. I was even thinking of gearing mine down 1 tooth in the front.
He is new to sand riding though so was probably using the clutch / riding on the clutch for probably about 20km straight in the heat. I would have still thought there should be more life in these things.

@BuRP The Recluse is definitely a great option for him I reckon....I'll mention it, and this thread to him. Recluse / Oberon slave Cylinder is probably the way to go. What effect wil lthat have on Warranty though?

I'm keen to maybe do a precautionary as well.
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Re: 690 Clutch issues
« Reply #44 on: June 18, 2018, 03:19:34 pm »
Definitely a bit too high and the 701 (2017 onward) is even higher since it makes the torque higher up than the 690. I was even thinking of gearing mine down 1 tooth in the front.
He is new to sand riding though so was probably using the clutch / riding on the clutch for probably about 20km straight in the heat. I would have still thought there should be more life in these things.

@BuRP The Recluse is definitely a great option for him I reckon....I'll mention it, and this thread to him. Recluse / Oberon slave Cylinder is probably the way to go. What effect wil lthat have on Warranty though?

I'm keen to maybe do a precautionary as well.

I doubt that it will have a negative effect on the oem warranty. The oberon slave has a lifetime guarantee though :thumleft:
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Re: 690 Clutch issues
« Reply #45 on: June 18, 2018, 04:26:43 pm »
As said, a Rekluse will help yeah, but it may slip too much with the std (read: waytofrikkenhigh!) gearing.
Drop a tooth in front for starters, he may be able to actually ride rather than slip his way?
Geez, 20km's slipping a clutch will surely give off smoke signals  :biggrin:

Edited: he better put new oil in asap!
« Last Edit: June 18, 2018, 04:27:33 pm by BuRP »
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Re: 690 Clutch issues
« Reply #46 on: June 18, 2018, 06:14:25 pm »
since it makes the torque higher up than the 690

Reading that bit again - nope, not with an open (cat-less & look-through!) pipe and a foam filter, the amount it has gained at the bottom is beyond belief: it wheelies everywhere, simply off the throttle!
I've got the BoosterPlug also (to enrich the mixture a little bit when in open loop) but I can imagine that with a PC-V it becomes even more of a hooligan.
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Re: 690 Clutch issues
« Reply #47 on: June 19, 2018, 08:38:11 am »
since it makes the torque higher up than the 690

Reading that bit again - nope, not with an open (cat-less & look-through!) pipe and a foam filter, the amount it has gained at the bottom is beyond belief: it wheelies everywhere, simply off the throttle!
I've got the BoosterPlug also (to enrich the mixture a little bit when in open loop) but I can imagine that with a PC-V it becomes even more of a hooligan.

What pipe do you have fitted on e 701?
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Re: 690 Clutch issues
« Reply #48 on: June 19, 2018, 10:24:55 am »
I had a Stealth pipe from Pretoria made, a bit longer than their usual length, the carbon tip 'ends' right next to the std taillight.
It's a 48.5mm diameter hole straight through hence soundwise a bit rude - but it made a huuuuge difference to the stock-standard bike, in fact I pulled a little wheelie out of their workshop surprising me, I wasn't trying at all.
Yoshimura has the same design, a longish big-bore pipe, cat-less of course, and it ends at the same spot - so I requested them to make same.
Superb quality, the welding itself pure art (stainless btw), at a very reasonable price, was R3300 I think, and took a morning only - Happy!  :thumleft:

The Akrapovic pipe Husky offers I do not like for it has two small pipes as 'end'. This means this is a restriction, not ideal for the pressure waves - but it will be quieter probably (lol, anything is  ;) ).
Yoshimura, also a company knowing how an exhaust works, does not do this, plus they made theirs longer, for a reason no doubt. It is why I asked Stealth to copy this, and do not regret it at all. I had my F800GSAdv also fitted with a Stealth, plus they 'gutted' the std pipe (take the cat out). This all worked very well, was reasonably priced, and the welding quality is rather special.... so I took two cars to them as well.
I can recommend them, and do.
« Last Edit: June 19, 2018, 10:43:54 am by BuRP »
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Re: 690 Clutch issues
« Reply #49 on: June 19, 2018, 12:38:09 pm »
I had a Stealth pipe from Pretoria made, a bit longer than their usual length, the carbon tip 'ends' right next to the std taillight.
It's a 48.5mm diameter hole straight through hence soundwise a bit rude - but it made a huuuuge difference to the stock-standard bike, in fact I pulled a little wheelie out of their workshop surprising me, I wasn't trying at all.
Yoshimura has the same design, a longish big-bore pipe, cat-less of course, and it ends at the same spot - so I requested them to make same.
Superb quality, the welding itself pure art (stainless btw), at a very reasonable price, was R3300 I think, and took a morning only - Happy!  :thumleft:

The Akrapovic pipe Husky offers I do not like for it has two small pipes as 'end'. This means this is a restriction, not ideal for the pressure waves - but it will be quieter probably (lol, anything is  ;) ).
Yoshimura, also a company knowing how an exhaust works, does not do this, plus they made theirs longer, for a reason no doubt. It is why I asked Stealth to copy this, and do not regret it at all. I had my F800GSAdv also fitted with a Stealth, plus they 'gutted' the std pipe (take the cat out). This all worked very well, was reasonably priced, and the welding quality is rather special.... so I took two cars to them as well.
I can recommend them, and do.

Great thanks! Gooi some pics on the Husky thread! I have the akrapovic pipe on mine. I know the baffle with the 2 smaller holes can be removed to provide an open pipe. Would be interesting to know the effect the baffles have on the performance of the bike.
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Re: 690 Clutch issues
« Reply #50 on: June 19, 2018, 12:45:53 pm »
since it makes the torque higher up than the 690

Reading that bit again - nope, not with an open (cat-less & look-through!) pipe and a foam filter, the amount it has gained at the bottom is beyond belief: it wheelies everywhere, simply off the throttle!
I've got the BoosterPlug also (to enrich the mixture a little bit when in open loop) but I can imagine that with a PC-V it becomes even more of a hooligan.

Apply that to the 690 or pre 2017 Husky and it will be lower still. It is what it is. The Husky 2017 and later has the Duke engine. Smoother and faster up top but not as much torque down low and 7kg heavier. Seemingly minus the potential rocker arm issues.
I have a Wings pipe on mine and even that made the low down noticeable improvement. Itís insane how hey plug it up to meet the emissions guidelines. So I agree with you that the pipe and air filter improves it significantly. I was quite surprised by how much. Itís literally a seat of your pants noticeable difference.


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Re: 690 Clutch issues
« Reply #51 on: June 19, 2018, 01:56:47 pm »
Oooo, looky!
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Re: 690 Clutch issues
« Reply #52 on: June 19, 2018, 03:50:14 pm »
... baffle with the 2 smaller holes can be removed to provide an open pipe. Would be interesting to know the effect the baffles have on the performance of the bike.

Geezz w@anted, why don't you unscrew the bugger, go ride, feel and..... let us know?
I bet it does!
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Re: 690 Clutch issues
« Reply #53 on: June 20, 2018, 09:03:28 am »
A better pic, also shows the R&G TailTidy mounted.
The latter is a nice unit except for the fact that the space between bike & light is open, too open - the rear wheel will throw stones & dirt in here, and all the wiring has to live there, not good.
So I've closed it by mounting a rubber sheet in it, just visible in this pic, invisible when the tailpiece is mounted.
Lots better!
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Re: 690 Clutch issues
« Reply #54 on: June 20, 2018, 12:10:24 pm »
... baffle with the 2 smaller holes can be removed to provide an open pipe. Would be interesting to know the effect the baffles have on the performance of the bike.

Geezz w@anted, why don't you unscrew the bugger, go ride, feel and..... let us know?
I bet it does!

If only it was that easy! On theses akras you have to drill out the pop rivets, as the bolt holding the baffle is not reachable from  the outside. Drill out the pop rivets, remove carbon end piece, take out the bolt and remove the baffle. Then drill the carbon to make the bolt accessible in the future and re pop rivet the end piece back. I will do this somewhere in the near future though...
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Re: 690 Clutch issues
« Reply #55 on: June 20, 2018, 02:44:56 pm »
On theses akras you have to drill out the pop rivets ... <snip> ... and re pop rivet the end piece back.

Blikskottel, that's an operation in itself!
I've done this, on different akras, and all that was needed was 1 sharp chip with a chisel, then a little bolt could be undone.
You better get some decent quality poprivets first, but do let us know pls, as I said I expect this to make a noticeable diff.
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Re: 690 Clutch issues
« Reply #56 on: June 21, 2018, 01:58:41 pm »
So a mate of mine 1300km  clutch gone.
We did do lots of constant sand and he is quite new on the bike and sand.
So bike goes in gear but when you let go of the clutch the bike just revs or idles as if in neutral?
Clutch gone? Slave Cylinder issue perhaps causing this or was he just riding on the clutch?

Sounds like a slave cylinder issue to me. Oberon slave for the win apparently. I am contemplating buying a Oberon slave for my 701 as a precaution.

If it goes into gear OK, its not the slave.
 

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Re: 690 Clutch issues
« Reply #57 on: June 21, 2018, 04:51:22 pm »
... baffle with the 2 smaller holes can be removed to provide an open pipe. Would be interesting to know the effect the baffles have on the performance of the bike.

Geezz w@anted, why don't you unscrew the bugger, go ride, feel and..... let us know?
I bet it does!

If only it was that easy! On theses akras you have to drill out the pop rivets, as the bolt holding the baffle is not reachable from  the outside. Drill out the pop rivets, remove carbon end piece, take out the bolt and remove the baffle. Then drill the carbon to make the bolt accessible in the future and re pop rivet the end piece back. I will do this somewhere in the near future though...

Wings Exhaust: Take out grommet, long Allen key remove baffle and choose one of the other  baffles supplied or out. Put back tighten allen put back grommet. 30second job.  :D
I must admit that I like the sound of the Akra a little more than the Wings. Although there is not much in it the Akra does a have a Deeper sound - which I prefer to the throatier rasp  of the wings.

The Wings I think looks good though.


So a mate of mine 1300km  clutch gone.
We did do lots of constant sand and he is quite new on the bike and sand.
So bike goes in gear but when you let go of the clutch the bike just revs or idles as if in neutral?
Clutch gone? Slave Cylinder issue perhaps causing this or was he just riding on the clutch?

Sounds like a slave cylinder issue to me. Oberon slave for the win apparently. I am contemplating buying a Oberon slave for my 701 as a precaution.

If it goes into gear OK, its not the slave.

Yeah my thought too - friend has been away on business so haven't checked it yet. I really want to see what they say.
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Re: 690 Clutch issues
« Reply #58 on: June 22, 2018, 12:42:34 pm »
Omnihorn,

what phone-holder do you use - and can you recommend it?
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Re: 690 Clutch issues
« Reply #59 on: June 25, 2018, 10:39:34 pm »
Omnihorn,

what phone-holder do you use - and can you recommend it?

Referring to the picture? Not a phone holder its a GPS holder by ROST Offroad for my Etrex

http://rostoffroad.co.za/product/etrex-10-20-30/
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