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Re: 1090R vs 1190R
« Reply #60 on: May 19, 2017, 05:40:58 pm »
So, I have been waiting patiently for the past 3 months to replace my 690 with the 1090R. Today the demo arrived at the KTM distributor and I got my hands and eyes on it for the first time and guess what: nothing,no love at first sight, nothing, and what made matters worse, the standard exhaust made it sound like my chainsaw.  I know it looks the same as the 1190 but for some reason I just didn't get it. There's not even a spot for a toolkit or anything under the seat, the 1190 space at the back is filled with some ignition thingy on the 1090. All of a sudden the 1190R seemed like a better deal to me even though the suspension is supposedly 'superior' on the 1090. I questioned that being the type of rider I am, will I really be able to feel the difference?
I then decided to cancel the 1090 and they quickly found me a new 1190 in its place which I get next week, all this after dreaming about the 1090 for so long.


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Re: 1090R vs 1190R
« Reply #61 on: May 19, 2017, 06:23:09 pm »
So, I have been waiting patiently for the past 3 months to replace my 690 with the 1090R. Today the demo arrived at the KTM distributor and I got my hands and eyes on it for the first time and guess what: nothing,no love at first sight, nothing, and what made matters worse, the standard exhaust made it sound like my chainsaw.  I know it looks the same as the 1190 but for some reason I just didn't get it. There's not even a spot for a toolkit or anything under the seat, the 1190 space at the back is filled with some ignition thingy on the 1090. All of a sudden the 1190R seemed like a better deal to me even though the suspension is supposedly 'superior' on the 1090. I questioned that being the type of rider I am, will I really be able to feel the difference?
I then decided to cancel the 1090 and they quickly found me a new 1190 in its place which I get next week, all this after dreaming about the 1090 for so long.

did you ride it?
have you ridden the 1190?
what was your main problem with the 1090?
 

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Re: 1090R vs 1190R
« Reply #62 on: May 19, 2017, 06:38:55 pm »
Hi, I rode the 1090, albeit only on tar, and I've ridden the 1190. I just felt I was getting more bike with the 1190, as I said I'm not sensitive to super duper suspension, I'm your standard gravel mountain pass rider like many others on the this forum  if you want proper air filters you have to install 3rd party on both bikes as before. The frame is the same as the 1190 except you have to add a centre stand.  I just preferred the 1190
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Re: 1090R vs 1190R
« Reply #63 on: May 19, 2017, 06:43:38 pm »
You guys are making me depressed...i been drooling over all the magazine launches on the 1090 & now my bubbles popped!  :o
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Re: 1090R vs 1190R
« Reply #64 on: May 19, 2017, 06:51:58 pm »
Go ride both. Only you can make a decision on what you experience.
Im waiting for my 1090 to arrive end of next week. Ive ridden both. To be honest I dont need the extra hp of the 1190 as I prefer more technical riding as apposed to fast open stretches.
Still a tough decision to make though.


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Re: 1090R vs 1190R
« Reply #65 on: May 19, 2017, 07:07:55 pm »
Hi, I rode the 1090, albeit only on tar, and I've ridden the 1190. I just felt I was getting more bike with the 1190, as I said I'm not sensitive to super duper suspension, I'm your standard gravel mountain pass rider like many others on the this forum  if you want proper air filters you have to install 3rd party on both bikes as before. The frame is the same as the 1190 except you have to add a centre stand.  I just preferred the 1190

fair enough - for the same money, the 1190 probably is quite a bit more bike :thumleft:
 

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Re: 1090R vs 1190R
« Reply #66 on: May 19, 2017, 07:11:55 pm »
The other thing I considered was long term return. If you buying both new now maybe with the 1190 model falling away the 1090 might be worth more later, but who really knows. Tough decisions to make 😂

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Re: 1090R vs 1190R
« Reply #67 on: May 19, 2017, 07:27:07 pm »
Interesting to hear one opinion vs another. My one old friend still working security contracts has now decided to trade his 2013 1190 with 40k km (no problems other than apparently a electronic issue when the bike was new and a minor oil leak on the head which was sorted by KTM) on a 1090 as he did ride it and felt the suspension to be way better.
He also rode the Honda and has some Honda bikes but was not at all impressed with the AT vs the 1090. He by the way 'can ride' (not like me  :peepwall: ) and I value his opinion. He can afford the 1290 (or any bike) but do not see any benefit in doing so as he uses the KTM for dirt roads and adventure riding. So I think if you are on that level, the 1090's suspension or better suspension becomes evident. I will probably also not feel the difference - but to me I think (personal) it is a wise move to go 1090 if big adventure bikes is your thing.
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Re: 1090R vs 1190R
« Reply #68 on: May 19, 2017, 08:32:15 pm »
Hi, I rode the 1090, albeit only on tar, and I've ridden the 1190. I just felt I was getting more bike with the 1190, as I said I'm not sensitive to super duper suspension, I'm your standard gravel mountain pass rider like many others on the this forum  if you want proper air filters you have to install 3rd party on both bikes as before. The frame is the same as the 1190 except you have to add a centre stand.  I just preferred the 1190

I completely agree with you. 1090 was just a KTM cost savings exercise. Strip a bunch of stuff off, hype it up as a "new" bike and charge the same money and make more profit.
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Re: 1090R vs 1190R
« Reply #69 on: May 19, 2017, 08:36:39 pm »
Hi, I rode the 1090, albeit only on tar, and I've ridden the 1190. I just felt I was getting more bike with the 1190, as I said I'm not sensitive to super duper suspension, I'm your standard gravel mountain pass rider like many others on the this forum  if you want proper air filters you have to install 3rd party on both bikes as before. The frame is the same as the 1190 except you have to add a centre stand.  I just preferred the 1190

I completely agree with you. 1090 was just a KTM cost savings exercise. Strip a bunch of stuff off, hype it up as a "new" bike and charge the same money and make more profit.
Price point positioning until the next mid size comes out?
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Re: 1090R vs 1190R
« Reply #70 on: May 20, 2017, 02:09:40 pm »
So here's a thing, I went back to Ktm today and relooked at the 1090 and rode it again, cancelled the 1190 and get a new 1090 next week.  I'm not going to think about this again
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Re: 1090R vs 1190R
« Reply #71 on: May 20, 2017, 02:17:28 pm »
So here's a thing, I went back to Ktm today and relooked at the 1090 and rode it again, cancelled the 1190 and get a new 1090 next week.  I'm not going to think about this again

Well let me congratulate you then! I am sure you will be happy and I am blue but I know Duan will at least give me a spin on his 1090 when I'm back.

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Re: 1090R vs 1190R
« Reply #72 on: May 20, 2017, 02:38:52 pm »
So here's a thing, I went back to Ktm today and relooked at the 1090 and rode it again, cancelled the 1190 and get a new 1090 next week.  I'm not going to think about this again
Congrats on the decision😂. I have a loan 1190 for the weekend until stock arrives. I'm still glad I'm getting the 1090.
Now all we have to do is wait 😈

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Re: 1090R vs 1190R
« Reply #73 on: May 20, 2017, 08:21:30 pm »
So here's a thing, I went back to Ktm today and relooked at the 1090 and rode it again, cancelled the 1190 and get a new 1090 next week.  I'm not going to think about this again

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Re: 1090R vs 1190R
« Reply #74 on: June 08, 2017, 03:44:03 pm »
With the Tiger gone, I'm now looking for a worthy replacement.

Obviously KTM is on the short list, but finding some good comparative info between the 1090, 1190 and the 1290, without having to scan through 300 posts about the inadequite airbox, I found this article.

https://nrave.com/2017/03/ktm-1090-vs-1190-vs-1290-adventure-r/

I don't know enough about KTM to make any useful contributions or comments. So those in the know, what's your thoughts on this? (Without getting into the airbox design issue again ...  :deal: )

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Re: 1090R vs 1190R
« Reply #75 on: June 08, 2017, 03:58:56 pm »
With the Tiger gone, I'm now looking for a worthy replacement.

Obviously KTM is on the short list, but finding some good comparative info between the 1090, 1190 and the 1290, without having to scan through 300 posts about the inadequite airbox, I found this article.

https://nrave.com/2017/03/ktm-1090-vs-1190-vs-1290-adventure-r/

I don't know enough about KTM to make any useful contributions or comments. So those in the know, what's your thoughts on this? (Without getting into the airbox design issue again ...  :deal: )



I think its a stupid article
especially this point...
Its not, as was expected, a toned-down 1190 or bumped-up 1050. No, the new KTM 1090 Adventure R albeit it still with 1050 cc in stock is, in the big adventure bike segment, the one to beat. Especially considering its aggressive price point.


maybe they should explain how it is something more than just a stripped down 1190 with upgraded suspension. 3kg was saved from the engine (loosing 25hp, which is a lot on a bike) and the other 4kgs coming from taking other stuff like centre stand away.
To top it off the argument that its better in offroad mode. who rides in offroad mode? If the 990 had an offroad mode limiting the power to 60hp to conserve petrol or whatever, would it have been used, no.

The only reason to get the 1090, and perfectly good reason, is to get a new bike that is in production. Other than that you are paying more for a new 1090 than you would for a 2016 or 2015 1190, loosing a lot of items but getting a R10k suspension upgrade.
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Re: 1090R vs 1190R
« Reply #76 on: June 08, 2017, 04:14:07 pm »
From what I gather from the article, these are the changes between the 1190 and the 1090:

Featuring a PDS (Progressive Damping System) shock rear and upgraded WP 48 mm split-open cartridge forks with stiffer springs and stiffer valving up front, the new 1090 Adventure R also differs from the outgoing 1190 in other ways. It has a newly designed engine casing, new crank shaft and redesigned cylinder heads. The flywheel mass is also heavier than what it was in the older 1050.

But I have to agree. There's so many 1190 for sale these day. You can get a pretty good deal on a fully kitted, relative low km, bike!
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Re: 1090R vs 1190R
« Reply #77 on: June 08, 2017, 05:27:18 pm »
yes Haboob. thats what I said.
but I dont know what is going to happen to resale of 1190, plus the different issues of the 1190 was only sorted later in its life so one needs to do some reading if you want an older 1190 to save money.
sorted throught the years among other things:
bumpstop on rear shock
weak starter
weak rims
light springs made stiffer (debatable whether enough)
fuel level sensor

would be great to know what year models had what sorted.  I could off missed some more issues....
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Re: 1090R vs 1190R
« Reply #78 on: June 08, 2017, 06:39:16 pm »
So here's a thing, I went back to Ktm today and relooked at the 1090 and rode it again, cancelled the 1190 and get a new 1090 next week.  I'm not going to think about this again
So have you taken delivery of your new 1090 yet? I finally got to take delivery of mine today

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Re: 1090R vs 1190R
« Reply #79 on: June 09, 2017, 10:19:27 am »
So here's a thing, I went back to Ktm today and relooked at the 1090 and rode it again, cancelled the 1190 and get a new 1090 next week.  I'm not going to think about this again
So have you taken delivery of your new 1090 yet? I finally got to take delivery of mine today

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Does your bike show Oil Temp?   I see some of the USA guys are saying it's missing on the 1090.
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