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2 x Honda CRF 250L's go up Africa...
« on: February 24, 2017, 08:40:47 am »
2 overlanders (1 x Brit, 1 x Canadian) came to us 5 months back to outfit their matching Honda CRF 250L's, for an up-Africa trip, but as we were outfitting their bikes, they got a call from the UK, a family member, was gravely ill, and they had to return home, without starting their trip.


We assisted them in finding a 6-month storage unit near the Airport, and then on Tuesday they arrived back, NOW ready for their up-Africa trip.

We also helped them with customized pannier racks, that had in-built fuel-cell mounts, BarkBuster handgaurds, etc. Good luck Dylan and Daniel, we;ll be watching your progress! thanks for the support, and glad we could help you with the welding project, etc!


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Re: 2 x Honda CRF 250L's go up Africa...
« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2017, 10:11:08 am »
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Re: 2 x Honda CRF 250L's go up Africa...
« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2017, 11:36:37 am »
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Re: 2 x Honda CRF 250L's go up Africa...
« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2017, 12:22:30 pm »
I know bugger all about these bikes........

How would they do for a RTW trip......just asking you know....

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Re: 2 x Honda CRF 250L's go up Africa...
« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2017, 12:41:34 pm »
Very interesting, I would like to see how they do on these bikes.

Chris, do you know if they had any work done on the suspension? Cos as far as I know once you load those bikes they suffer. I did Africa on a 650cc and at times I wish I had more, so on a 250l.. that's going to be an experience.

Do they have a blog or anything?
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Re: 2 x Honda CRF 250L's go up Africa...
« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2017, 01:01:35 pm »
they cranked the suspension up (out?) to it's maximum adjustable limit(s), but had no actual work' done on improving the suspension.


they plan to go fairly 'softly-softly' (as one would with those distances on a 250), but I too think they could use more travel...


Will post their Blog details as soon as they commence their tip.


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Re: 2 x Honda CRF 250L's go up Africa...
« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2017, 01:30:47 pm »
If you can please post a pic of it with the saddle bags.. I would like to see these bikes kitted.

What was the cost involved for the setup?

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Re: 2 x Honda CRF 250L's go up Africa...
« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2017, 02:10:32 pm »
pics showing saddlebags, as requested.


costs, per bike:


Pannier racks and top track (set): R2,900
fuel cell adaptor plate / rack: R500
welding on of fuel cell plate to pannier rack R250
ATG Overlander pannier bags: R3,295


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Re: 2 x Honda CRF 250L's go up Africa...
« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2017, 03:11:04 pm »
250's are a great way to go for many reasons ,
I traveled Southern Africa on my AT and I met up with a couple traveling on 250's in Malawi - they had just come over 20000km from CPT to van Zyls pass Namibia into Angola then across the copper belt in Zambia and onto Malawi .
Reasons for the 250's being ideal bikes for long distance traveling were easy to see -
firstly the remote places they could get to on the small bikes
secondly they were on the same tires they left with and you can actually buy tires through Africa to fit those bikes unlike my bigger bike - I was servery constrained by my tires  and had to plan quite well accordingly - had I an issue with my tires it would have been quite a thing to organize a replacement .
And then there is the picking up of larger displacement bikes who never seem to fall in ideal places .
Fuel consumption is a factor in long distance traveling the smaller bikes make sense
In Mozambique I was given the opportunity to travel the Guille forest  but had to turn it down due to some rivers being in flood and not being sure if I could hoof my 200kg plus bike onto a small boat - a small bike would have been an advantage .
In terms of power personally my kit for traveling weighs 32kg including tools , tubes , cooking , camping etc so the smaller bike would take this no hassles  ...
Once you cross the border the opportunities to use the power and speed of the bigger bikes gets less so other than a few heavenly high speed roads you are down to averaging 90kmph anyways - the down side is getting to the border which is a pain on a small displacement bike
My next Africa trip will be on a small bike for sure

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Re: 2 x Honda CRF 250L's go up Africa...
« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2017, 03:24:52 pm »
Im on the fence however I can see the benefits of a small bike.. but a big bike has benefits as well, im not going to go into them, they are obvious.

I am looking at the guys riding he smaller bikes because I want to do South America before I die.. I have a plot on the west coast im selling, when it sells im buying a ticket.
I was thinking of doing a 250 instead of a 450 or 650.. jussus but you have to travel light and you cant be in a rush, long distances can punish those motors and if the rider is already 100kg you going to have to do some suspension mods.

Im going to be keen to see these guys blog to see what, if any issues they have on these bikes, also I would like to see what they pack, those panniers seem small, I wonder if they doing a top bag as well.

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Re: 2 x Honda CRF 250L's go up Africa...
« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2017, 03:38:26 pm »
http://amsterdamtoanywhere.nl/en/nieuwe-motoren/

Cant see the benefit of a big bike unless you are sticking to the better roads while traveling - two up and the bigger displacement makes sense only .

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Re: 2 x Honda CRF 250L's go up Africa...
« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2017, 03:48:03 pm »
Chris, fit some sidestand footplates for them !!

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Re: 2 x Honda CRF 250L's go up Africa...
« Reply #12 on: February 24, 2017, 03:55:27 pm »
HaHa, yes, I showed the the HDPE spacers we manufacture for Dakkies/Sertao's side stand, which also lean way too much, and they understood, and will have something welded up -


the 'lean' was just crazy, and they seemingly had not noticed!... until i told them that lifting that bike up vertically every day, multiple-times, up Africa, with heavyish pannier bags, could get 'stale' after a while...!  :biggrin: 


So they will stop next to a road side 'welder', and get something made up!


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Re: 2 x Honda CRF 250L's go up Africa...
« Reply #13 on: February 24, 2017, 06:11:19 pm »
I'm currently riding my XR650L which has been stripped down to the bare minimum in terms of weight. I had a CRF250L 4 years ago too. My (lightweight) XR is around 6kg lighter than a 250L counting tank empty weight. That statement is something for the bean counters out there. On a long overland trip a 250 may just be the good ticket to go the distance. My observations on the 250 L - suspension seems to be a mixed bag of tricks - the front end is great only let down by rear end suspension with too much sag and a soft spring and damping. Thinking that with the Flying Brick upgrades and sorting the rear suspension these bikes will be good to go the long road. My 250L used around 4L/100km in fuel but that was mostly pinned to the stops because it was a low power bike. Loaded with gear and in cruising mode on good gravel should get you around 3.5/100km so 18 liters of petrol will be good for around 500km. My 650 will do 300 or a bit more on 18 liters. All that a CRF 250 needs is attention in the range, luggage and beefing up the rear suspension. Perfect bike for the trip.
 

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Re: 2 x Honda CRF 250L's go up Africa...
« Reply #14 on: February 24, 2017, 08:33:22 pm »
Chris put a pic or two on of the fuel cell adapter plate please?

Thinking of bolting it on instead of welding it on my pannier frames of my Ktm 990. ;)
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Re: 2 x Honda CRF 250L's go up Africa...
« Reply #15 on: February 25, 2017, 08:44:00 am »


Quote from: The TRANSPORTER on Yesterday at 08:33:22 pm
Chris put a pic or two on of the fuel cell adapter plate please?

Thinking of bolting it on instead of welding it on my pannier frames of my Ktm 990. ;)


Sure!

We have not one, but THREE fuel-cell mounting plates - all 3 will take the Red 5L fuel cell that we sell (Pioneer), but ONE of the mounting plates will take BOTH Pioneer and Rotopax - we do not stock Rotoapx due to pricing, and its 1 Gallon (3.8L) only.

Plate 1 (M/R-R/F) costs R399
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Plate 2 (PP) costs R520
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Plate 2 (T2G) costs R500
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(ALL 3 brackets have a in-built 'device' to prevent the tanks from rotating on their axis)

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Re: 2 x Honda CRF 250L's go up Africa...
« Reply #16 on: February 25, 2017, 09:43:17 am »
I can vouch for Chris's Plate 1 as a solid mounting point for the fuel cell
I have been using mine for some time now and it works well

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« Reply #17 on: March 01, 2017, 04:08:13 pm »
One lady, one CRF250L solo trip around the world.

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Re: 2 x Honda CRF 250L's go up Africa...
« Reply #18 on: March 05, 2017, 07:09:21 pm »
I'm with the 250cc bikes, read the book Old man on a bike, it's about a 70 + year old man, not in perfect health, who rides from Veracruz to Ushuaia at the lowest point in South America on a Pizza bike (125cc) with a top box. Then there is Louis Pryce's book Red Tape and white knuckles down the "center" of Africa on a 250cc Yamaha, I think it was. Makes a lot of sense.
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