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Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
« Reply #100 on: April 17, 2018, 11:28:55 am »
........n warm poep :peepwall:

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Ek het baie met die probleem rondgespeel toe ek my fiets gekoop het en glo my die enigste oplossing is om van die CAT ontslae te raak. Nou daar is 3 maniere om dit te doen:

1. Vervang die BMW Header met Akra of Remus Header. (Gaan jou +/- R8000.00 kos) Voordeel is jy kan die BMW een weer terug sit as jy eendag die bike verkoop en hom dan verkoop.
2. Laat iemand die CAT oop sny, die binnegoed uithaal en hom weer toe sweis. (Goedkoopste manier, behoort nie meer as R1000.00 te betaal nie. Baie plekke doen dit vernuut as hulle die
     binnegoed  kan hou en verkoop.
3. Vervang die BMW header met n tweedehandse 2014 tot 2016 Header.

Wat jou waarborg aan betref is elke persoon hiermaar op sy eie. Dit is jou keuse of jy dit wil laat doen of nie.
Ek het vir opsie 1 gegaan en ook die CAN vervang met n Akra maar dit is nie nodig nie en die CAN het niks met die hitte te doen nie.
Ek het geen hitte probleme meer op my fiets vanaf ek dit gedoen het nie is dit is net n plesier om met hom te ry, alleen of met pillion en maak nie saak hoe warm dit is nie of hoe die wind waai nie.

Ja en ek stem 100% saam dit is sommer BULL dat mens moet geld spandeur op so n duur fiets om n probleem op te los waarop BMW net hulle rug draai.
Hulle het my ook nooit weer gekontak ivm die probleem nie. SKANDE BMW. >:( >:(
     

Watter opsie het jy gevolg?
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Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
« Reply #101 on: July 24, 2018, 02:22:46 pm »
........n warm poep :peepwall:

 :biggrin: :biggrin:
Ek het baie met die probleem rondgespeel toe ek my fiets gekoop het en glo my die enigste oplossing is om van die CAT ontslae te raak. Nou daar is 3 maniere om dit te doen:

1. Vervang die BMW Header met Akra of Remus Header. (Gaan jou +/- R8000.00 kos) Voordeel is jy kan die BMW een weer terug sit as jy eendag die bike verkoop en hom dan verkoop.
2. Laat iemand die CAT oop sny, die binnegoed uithaal en hom weer toe sweis. (Goedkoopste manier, behoort nie meer as R1000.00 te betaal nie. Baie plekke doen dit vernuut as hulle die
     binnegoed  kan hou en verkoop.
3. Vervang die BMW header met n tweedehandse 2014 tot 2016 Header.

Wat jou waarborg aan betref is elke persoon hiermaar op sy eie. Dit is jou keuse of jy dit wil laat doen of nie.
Ek het vir opsie 1 gegaan en ook die CAN vervang met n Akra maar dit is nie nodig nie en die CAN het niks met die hitte te doen nie.
Ek het geen hitte probleme meer op my fiets vanaf ek dit gedoen het nie is dit is net n plesier om met hom te ry, alleen of met pillion en maak nie saak hoe warm dit is nie of hoe die wind waai nie.

Ja en ek stem 100% saam dit is sommer BULL dat mens moet geld spandeur op so n duur fiets om n probleem op te los waarop BMW net hulle rug draai.
Hulle het my ook nooit weer gekontak ivm die probleem nie. SKANDE BMW. >:( >:(
     

Watter opsie het jy gevolg?
Bike gaan harder klink sonder die CAT?
Ek het vir opsie 1 gegaan soos bo gese. Ek het die header vervang met n Remus header sonder die CAT en die BMW can vervang met n Akra can.
Ek het al my oorspronklike pype gehou en weg gepak en as ek eendag my fiets verkoop dan sit ek net al die oorspronklike pype terug.
 

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Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
« Reply #102 on: August 16, 2018, 12:25:48 pm »
This is probably the best option. (replace the exhaust)
8 months after reporting it to Northside BMW, I have not had a response from them or BMW even after repeated follow ups. So I now use another dealership as they seem more interested in helping. When the bike is out of warranty I will change the exhaust unless I buy another one before then :)

Still love the bike though. Sucker for punishment I guess.
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Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
« Reply #103 on: August 29, 2018, 02:52:30 pm »
I had the 2014 GSA some heat noticed. Did 55000kms

and a 2016 GSA heat debatable hardly noticed it.  did 20 000kms

I have done over 5000kms on the tft 2018 GSA.  Did Botswana and Zimbabwe.  Of that 1500 has been done in normal jeans.   Bulawayo 30deg, Beit bridge was over 33deg. 

No heat felt by me or my wife, so far.

Forks from sometime in 2017 have been modified and don't need the fix.   look at the top "nut", if it has a grove/mark in the middle the forks don't need the fix..

I have used the same Akrapovic slip on exhaust on each bike, could that be the answer.
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Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
« Reply #104 on: August 30, 2018, 10:09:21 am »
This is probably going to sound a bit stupid.

I have the 2017 Trophy edition, and I have felt the heat as described on the odd occasion.

I find though, when I do feel my thigh getting warm, a simple adjustment of my foot on the foot peg will make it disappear immediately.

It's almost like I am changing the airflow around my foot and leg and this stops the heat from affecting me.




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Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
« Reply #105 on: August 30, 2018, 12:56:42 pm »
Fit a BoosterPlug! Lean running is a known issue on these bikes, and updated regulations make 2016- bikes run even leaner. BoosterPlug allows for slightly more petrol and cools down the combustion chamber, pistons and helps to prevent damage.
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Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
« Reply #106 on: August 30, 2018, 07:54:31 pm »
This heat issue definitely has something to do with airflow.
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Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
« Reply #107 on: September 03, 2018, 01:21:53 pm »
"This heat issue definitely has something to do with airflow."

YES, the faster you go, the more airflow around your legs, more airflow less heat.

In other words go fast - leave the heat behind.
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Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
« Reply #108 on: September 05, 2018, 10:16:27 am »
Gents, have a look at this cover, it's from Puig and I just wonder if it can help on the bikes with the head issues.

They have in stock in JHB, they are about R600.00. 

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Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
« Reply #109 on: September 06, 2018, 03:38:03 pm »
Covers usually contain the heat, restrict air flow and increase risk of damage. See Adie's thread on a F800GS with a fried startor because of a restrictive Hyde bash plate.
Remember that, while you are complaining about heat, this engine is desperately trying to shed the heat created by very lean fuel mixtures and high combustion temperatures. When the bike was designed in 2012 I am not sure that the restrictive Euro 4 of 2016 and even more restrictive Euro 5 to be introduced soon was envisaged. The engine needs to shed the heat and don't have much sympathy with your foot :pot:
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Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
« Reply #110 on: September 06, 2018, 04:25:10 pm »
Fit a BoosterPlug! Lean running is a known issue on these bikes, and updated regulations make 2016- bikes run even leaner. BoosterPlug allows for slightly more petrol and cools down the combustion chamber, pistons and helps to prevent damage.
Hi, how much is a booster plug for a 2015 GSA?
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Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
« Reply #111 on: September 18, 2018, 08:46:57 am »
Got the heat treatment last Sunday on my way to Witbank on the 2017  :o  Lots of wind which was ok and then the wind direction turned and I found myself riding with the wind from behind  :eek7:  At one stage I  was scared that my plastics was going to melt. Wasn't the normal warm and it so burned the side of my leg that I had to stick it into the airflow to cool it down, surely this cannot be good for the shock or the motor in the longer term  >:( I can see a set of new headers in the near future or maybe even cat removal. Anyone know where in PTA or Joburg area ???
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Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
« Reply #112 on: September 18, 2018, 11:52:16 am »
Fit a BoosterPlug! Lean running is a known issue on these bikes, and updated regulations make 2016- bikes run even leaner. BoosterPlug allows for slightly more petrol and cools down the combustion chamber, pistons and helps to prevent damage.

These bikes run at between 77C and 80C.  By how much will that drop if a booster plug is fitted?
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Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
« Reply #113 on: September 18, 2018, 03:05:30 pm »
Fit a BoosterPlug! Lean running is a known issue on these bikes, and updated regulations make 2016- bikes run even leaner. BoosterPlug allows for slightly more petrol and cools down the combustion chamber, pistons and helps to prevent damage.
Given that the airbox temperature is only evaluated at idle/low RPM's, how does fitting the booster plug help when the heat issue seems to stem from actual riding (at which point the ECU uses a closed loop O2 sensor feedback for control, i.e. booster plug is meaningless)?
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Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
« Reply #114 on: September 28, 2018, 03:24:00 pm »
With todays heat in Gauteng I could really feel the heat from the exhaust. I still have more than a year of warranty left but I am seriously considering removing the cat especially since I have absolutely no feedback from Northside BMW. I saw a pic of the pre 2017 and post 2017 catalytic converters that had been removed and they were clearly different. The newer one looks more restrictive. I will try and find the pic and post it here.
My cat is actually turning a red brown colour from the heat now.

Has anyone removed the cat?  I am also keen to try fit an older exhaust.

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Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
« Reply #115 on: September 28, 2018, 07:40:01 pm »
With todays heat in Gauteng I could really feel the heat from the exhaust. I still have more than a year of warranty left but I am seriously considering removing the cat especially since I have absolutely no feedback from Northside BMW. I saw a pic of the pre 2017 and post 2017 catalytic converters that had been removed and they were clearly different. The newer one looks more restrictive. I will try and find the pic and post it here.
My cat is actually turning a red brown colour from the heat now.

Has anyone removed the cat?  I am also keen to try fit an older exhaust.

I have 2 mates that removed there cats and both say removal has definitely helped with the heat. Their words were "it hasn't completely eliminated the heat issue but has vastly improved it"
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Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
« Reply #116 on: October 03, 2018, 01:05:24 pm »
Thank you.

I guess I may go that route then.

Here is the latest reply from BMW received today:

Trusting you are well.Pardon the delay in reply as I was awaiting an answer
regarding the heat issue complaints.
XYZ (Name removed), who has been dealing with BMW SA regarding this matter,confirmed
that according to BMW they never got enough complaints about this issue
to regard it as a real problem and confirmed that it is due to the latest Euro
laws that demanded a larger volume catalytic converter being fitted to meet
the latest clean air emmissions which is creating the extra heat and not the
actual engine itself.
Unfortunately it is worse in warmer climates where most of the complaints
originated,but it is not a BMW design fault which caused this.
Regarding the headers for a pre-2017,I am pretty sure it will help to alleviate
the problem as I personally also never had this problem on any of the older
model GSs that I used to ride.



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Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
« Reply #117 on: October 04, 2018, 12:55:49 pm »
cats decrease performance and make petrol consumption rise

Correct.
The reason is simple too, here's why.
Any engine pumps gas, it is basically an airpump.
An intake filter is necessary, but luckily they can & do make them big enough so that resistance, hence performance, is not really hampered.
An exhaust catalyst (or particulate filter) is a HUUGE RESISTANCE for the gasflow, and the engine must provide the energy to pump through it - so it uses additional fuel for doing only this!
They cannot make them bigger because then the temperature will become too low, they have to keep them smallish.

Remove the Cat/EPF - and witness more performance, less fuel consumption and a load less heat.
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Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
« Reply #118 on: October 04, 2018, 01:07:14 pm »
By how much will that drop if a booster plug is fitted?

None, zero degrees, silly question - the thermostat regulates the coolant's flow hence temperature, a BP does not affect this.
Be glad it doesn't, your coolant needs to be kept in this range!
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Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
« Reply #119 on: October 04, 2018, 01:11:39 pm »
I think I will go with removing the cat once my warranty is finished. Another year left.

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