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Offline Weedkiller - Adie

Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
« Reply #60 on: September 23, 2017, 10:34:00 am »
Just had a look on your website as I can't always follow the posts in Afrikaans, I couldn't find the luggage and pricing
It will be uploaded this weekend.  Photos of final product will be taken today.

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Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
« Reply #61 on: December 15, 2017, 10:17:19 pm »
Ok, we finally grasped the basics of RF welding.

You don't fix a weak earth with a thick cable, Nooooo you fix it with a Shimstock ribbon.
A good reading on the 'Power' gauge might indicate a weak earth.
NO Earth will trip the overload.

This is NOT electricity. It will boil the moisture in your flesh in a few seconds.
This does not even behave like electricity.

In order to do all the welds on the bags we had to modify the machine to be quickly converted between normal, deep throat or 'bridge'.  After a lot of experimenting we now roughly know what to look for.

If anything is wrong - even a weak ground - you will burn a hole the size of a match stick through the material.  We currently have 5 sets of PERFECT bags with patched little burn holes at R 2 500.00 a set.  (Normal price R 3 600.00 )

Full production will start next week once the machine is fully upgraded.

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Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
« Reply #62 on: December 16, 2017, 05:44:42 pm »
Am interested in a "patched" set if available

Will the bags fit on the bags connection frames, (the soft luggage ones supplied by bike great)?

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Offline Weedkiller - Adie

Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
« Reply #63 on: December 16, 2017, 10:21:54 pm »
Am interested in a "patched" set if available

Will the bags fit on the bags connection frames, (the soft luggage ones supplied by bike great)?

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We did fit them to whatever frames we could. Send pic of the rack because we did not try it on the Bags Connection DAKAR frames.  They might not fit 'nice'.  will keep a set aside in the meantime.

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Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
« Reply #64 on: December 18, 2017, 01:36:15 pm »
Ok, we finally grasped the basics of RF welding.

You don't fix a weak earth with a thick cable, Nooooo you fix it with a Shimstock ribbon.
A good reading on the 'Power' gauge might indicate a weak earth.
NO Earth will trip the overload.

This is NOT electricity. It will boil the moisture in your flesh in a few seconds.
This does not even behave like electricity.

In order to do all the welds on the bags we had to modify the machine to be quickly converted between normal, deep throat or 'bridge'.  After a lot of experimenting we now roughly know what to look for.

If anything is wrong - even a weak ground - you will burn a hole the size of a match stick through the material.  We currently have 5 sets of PERFECT bags with patched little burn holes at R 2 500.00 a set.  (Normal price R 3 600.00 )

Full production will start next week once the machine is fully upgraded.

Adie

Check your electrodes for dirt or pitted surfaces...this will cause the burn holes.
Dont mark the PVC with pencil...it will do the same thing  as well.

 
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Offline Weedkiller - Adie

Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
« Reply #65 on: December 18, 2017, 02:50:13 pm »
Check your electrodes for dirt or pitted surfaces...this will cause the burn holes.
Dont mark the PVC with pencil...it will do the same thing  as well.

Yup, I figured out early in the experimenting that the tools must be free of sharp points.  Also noticed during testing that once a hole is burnt the 'carbon' will make it burn at same place again. 

This is actually a fascinating machine (also temperamental - like a woman)  Must say we did 10 bags this morning with only one minute pinhole due to a crease that made the electrode press on one corner only.  And that was still with G-clamps etc etc.  Will make the new quick swap 'base' next week.  (I have another interesting project later this week)  Must say, on straight welds it all work 100%, it is now to get the oval base done a bit quicker - and neater.  Will design a 45 degree chamfered tool for the base next year. The current issue is that the machine can not do that surface area in one go.

Thanks

A
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Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
« Reply #66 on: December 19, 2017, 12:21:53 pm »
Those bags look the business!!

I would like to see the topbag :drif:
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Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
« Reply #67 on: February 01, 2018, 11:41:47 pm »
LOOOOOOONG OVERDUE

Hi Guys,

After months of testing, chopping, changing, fiddling and shouting obscenities We are onto the final stretch with our bags.

We already have a few out there being used by clients, friends and ourselves and we are ready to start getting them out into the world.

For those who are new or have forgotten here are some specs on the bags.

  • Made from 550gsm PVC
  • Abrasion Resistant
  • Tear Resistant
  • Waterproof
  • Dustproof
  • Universal and will fit on any luggage rack and any bike.
  • Quickly removable.
  • Incorporated stifner and heat shield
  • Double D-links as backup fastener or extra mounting area
  • Lockable braided cable for security(Lock not included)
  • Reflective Logo and Chevrons
    • As we are slowly getting there we have been through a lot of bags and some with a minor flaw, though they have all been corrected. Our biggest issue is every now and then the machine will behave erratically and it will flash a small pinhole through the bag. these are then patched using heat activated glue./ to make then good as new. These bags we will be selling as "Factory bags". We are now selling these Factory bags at a reduced price, they are still 100% functional.

      Regular Retail Price R 3 600
      Factory Bags Price   R 2 600

      We have a few factory bags available for sale, there are also a few at Flying brick.


      Stay tuned as they will be available from us as well as at Flying brick.
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Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
« Reply #68 on: February 02, 2018, 08:28:22 am »
Yes, we have stock, including a batch at a discounted price, both in the YELLOW and Black version and SILVER and black version...


Usual Retail price is R3600 per set...


we have some 'early bags'  (3 sets left) with MINOR imperfections, for R2600 incl. (they ARE waterproof, more of a minor cosmetic issue)



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Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
« Reply #69 on: February 02, 2018, 09:04:51 am »
I am guessing a heat shield is still required for the exhaust side?
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Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
« Reply #70 on: February 02, 2018, 09:08:34 am »


Quote from: meurig on Today at 09:04:51 am>I am guessing a heat shield is still required for the exhaust side?

Yes, mostly, there are a few bikes that MIGHT be able to get away without one, but most will need one (g: Giant Loop Hot Springs, or ALTRider Universal, or other, etc)
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Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
« Reply #71 on: February 02, 2018, 10:16:03 am »
I am guessing a heat shield is still required for the exhaust side?

Hi Meurig,

You can pretty much run our bags on any rack without a heat shield. each bag has an internal "Stiffener" to stop the bag pulling through the pannier racks, this also doubles as a heat shield. We have been running the bags on the following configuration for a while now:

BMW F800 with Akro system
BMW F800 with standard exhaust
BMW F650 singles with Leo Vince Exhaust
BMW F650 Single with Standard exhaust
KTM 1190 with Akro Exhaust
KTM 690 Rally Replica with Akro Exhaust
KTM690 Rally with Scorch Exhaust

And no problems yet. On the 1200 BMW you will need an extra adapter as the racks themselves are not flat on the exhaust side but have that kink. Offcourse a dedicated heat shield cant hurt it isn't technically needed.

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Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
« Reply #72 on: February 02, 2018, 11:13:35 am »
thanks, Mike - appreciate the great feedback, on the models you've tested it on  :thumleft:  (Meurig rides a CRF 1000L)


apologies; I was referring to using the bags WITHOUT A RACK...on smaller bikes, my bad :BangHead:


"On the 1200 BMW you will need an extra adapter as the racks themselves are not flat on the exhaust side but have that kink"



For the 1200's which have a SHAPED exhaust-side rack, we stock the curved 'heat'shield, as Mike mentions.


we do also sell a CURVED heat shield for the 800GS, given that the pannier rack on exhaust side is also stepped, just like the air-cooled 1200's and liquid-cooled 1200's...


on flat-sided pannier racks, I agree, it is a non-issue, as long as there is a bit of clearance...(for heat)


But many peeps will ADD a bit of scrap tread-plate 'for insurance', though Mikes bags (and ATG, etc) DO have stiffeners to prevent bulging through
(see pics 3 & 4)...


Cheers, Chris
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Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
« Reply #73 on: February 02, 2018, 12:10:07 pm »
OK, we did some research and finally the penny dropped.  We are working with Radio Frequency and any conductive object close will affect the outcome.

We finally made a Poly prop post to eliminate max interference of the RF.  From that point on it was just a matter of getting the surface area in line again for consistent results.  We will now go through the final phase to get rid of those pesky brass strips.  Every time we load the bag they move in relation to one another and the 'tuning' (consistency) is out.  At least we could weld the bases without any problems.

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Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
« Reply #74 on: February 02, 2018, 12:13:31 pm »
The bags look great! Well done, Adie!

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