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Offline BossPierreLombard

Is this bad or really bad or not that bad.
« on: May 29, 2017, 09:45:14 pm »
I did a great trip to Oasis this past weekend.

Full ride report coming up soon.

I thought I'd rather post the issues on a separate thread.

I did 550km.

The trip to Oasis was such a rush. Went through some rain, some wind and some mountain passes. Epic. And I was very happy with the 640 ride.

But.Then.

Just before Oasis I stopped to wait for my crew in the 4x4 and my side stand just dropped off :(

And then the next morning I checked the oil and saw NOTHING! Empty.

Rode the bike around and some oil reappeared. Seems the weather elements didn't allow the oil to come down.

Research says to idle and ride the bike and then check oil.



This slight glass used to be full. I'm not a mechanic and not very good with the technical aspects of engines/clutch/ect.



Then we rode back home via Citrusdal.

After coming down the Piekenierskloof Pass, cruising at 130/135 the bike just dies. Dead.

Start up, ride 5 meters and dead again.

Took seat off to check battery and electrics. Everything seemed fine.

The dashboard screen just went blank but the front lights stayed on.

Ignition... fiddled with the wiring around the ignition and the screen would come on, go off, come on ect..

Removed igntion:



Noticed a wire that had come loose.



We then harvested some wire off the trailer and with some ducttape managed to get it sorted.


I'll have to rewire that properly.

Bike started and made it home.


When I got home I noticed this "oil sweat":







Some questions:

Did I ride the bike too hard? Cruising at high speed on an open road felt really good. But now I'm not sure if the 640 likes it..

Is that "oil sweat" the correct terminology? Or is that an "oil leak"

Is this a waring sign of more issues to come?


I must say that this bike is amazing and If only i could have 2 , 1 like KTMKOBUS has and one to push the limits with..

I'm keen to get to grips with the mechanical aspect of the 640 so if something happens whilst off-the-grid I can make a plan.


Feedback or input will be much appreciated.

Thanks,

Pierre
« Last Edit: May 29, 2017, 09:55:09 pm by BossPierreLombard »
 

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Re: Is this bad or really bad or not that bad.
« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2017, 09:49:02 pm »
Where in WC are you?
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Re: Is this bad or really bad or not that bad.
« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2017, 09:52:09 pm »
130/135kmph, as a maximum cruising speed is perfect.

You'll just have to go through that bike and sort all those niggles.
 

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Re: Is this bad or really bad or not that bad.
« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2017, 09:55:53 pm »
 

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Re: Is this bad or really bad or not that bad.
« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2017, 09:57:53 pm »
Where in WC are you?
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Try Dux for advice
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Re: Is this bad or really bad or not that bad.
« Reply #5 on: May 29, 2017, 09:58:37 pm »
Thanks 2StokeDan.. thats my plan. When it comes to mechanics I'd could probably call my self a pharmacist but i ain't no surgeon


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Re: Is this bad or really bad or not that bad.
« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2017, 09:59:39 pm »
Shot PistonPete.. I'll make contact
 

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Re: Is this bad or really bad or not that bad.
« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2017, 10:04:06 pm »
Regarding the oil seepage I would suggest you check the torque settings and re-torque as required. Clean it up and monitor it. If it persists, then replace the gasket. Doesn’t look serious, however.
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Re: Is this bad or really bad or not that bad.
« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2017, 10:50:28 pm »
Regarding the oil seepage I would suggest you check the torque settings and re-torque as required. Clean it up and monitor it. If it persists, then replace the gasket. Doesn’t look serious, however.

Welcome to the wonderful world of KTM motorcycles!
- that oil loss around the cylinder is "normal" (leaking base gasket - there is a improved version waiting for you at the dealers)
- side stand bolts always come lose - even if loctited (side stand is a aftermarket item - as far as I know, bike only comes with main stand from the factory.
- oil level has to be checked when engine is warm (dry -sump system)
- ignition switches are also known for giving trouble. Buy a new one.
- it won't be the last problem...better get used to it  :o
 

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Re: Is this bad or really bad or not that bad.
« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2017, 07:44:52 am »
Regarding the oil seepage I would suggest you check the torque settings and re-torque as required. Clean it up and monitor it. If it persists, then replace the gasket. Doesn’t look serious, however.

Welcome to the wonderful world of KTM motorcycles!
- that oil loss around the cylinder is "normal" (leaking base gasket - there is a improved version waiting for you at the dealers)
- side stand bolts always come lose - even if loctited (side stand is a aftermarket item - as far as I know, bike only comes with main stand from the factory.
- oil level has to be checked when engine is warm (dry -sump system)
- ignition switches are also known for giving trouble. Buy a new one.
- it won't be the last problem...better get used to it  :o

As Mike mentioned , there is an upgraded base gasket , once fitted they tend to remain oil tight , and wires breaking at the ignition is a common issue as well , best is to replace all the wires leading to the ignition .
But considering that they were discontinued in 10 years ago you would expect little things like this
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Is this bad or really bad or not that bad.
« Reply #10 on: May 30, 2017, 06:03:11 pm »
Thanks guys.

I appreciate the feedback.

Seems it's not an "end of the road" scenario.

I'll make my way over Unit 6 Viben square soon.

Superfoxi did warn me about the "ktm issue" but I just love this bike. The look, the feel, the ride, the whole package..



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Re: Is this bad or really bad or not that bad.
« Reply #11 on: May 30, 2017, 07:43:53 pm »
Thanks guys.

I appreciate the feedback.

Seems it's not an "end of the road" scenario.

I'll make my way over Unit 6 Viben square soon.


Superfoxi did warn me about the "ktm issue" but I just love this bike. The look, the feel, the ride, the whole package..



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Re: Is this bad or really bad or not that bad.
« Reply #12 on: June 01, 2017, 03:13:28 pm »
Bikes comes in two guises, reliable boring ones and exiting but temperamental. The Japanese ones normally falls into the first category and KTM, Huskies into the second.
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Re: Is this bad or really bad or not that bad.
« Reply #13 on: June 01, 2017, 03:44:11 pm »


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Re: Is this bad or really bad or not that bad.
« Reply #14 on: June 01, 2017, 05:50:23 pm »
Someone definitely needs to grow a pair and open up a Japanese XR650R to full throttle, and then hold it there....
You will not be bored, the bike will be legendary reliable, .... you will find it very well behaved , provided you can ride and have grown the required pair.... and then you will know the meaning of exciting..... but first, you need to know how to kick-start the legend...

This is not a bike for all, it's reserved for a few... 8)




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Re: Is this bad or really bad or not that bad.
« Reply #15 on: June 01, 2017, 08:19:09 pm »
Thanks guys.

I appreciate the feedback.

Seems it's not an "end of the road" scenario.

I'll make my way over Unit 6 Viben square soon.

Superfoxi did warn me about the "ktm issue" but I just love this bike. The look, the feel, the ride, the whole package..



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The whole package the 640 adventure came in was, imo, one of the best D/S motorcycles ever. It was spoiled by a lot of reliability issues, unfortunately, but KTM singles are still like that. :pot:
I am surprised, and would like to know the reason KTM never built the 690 in a similar adventure guise.
 

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Re: Is this bad or really bad or not that bad.
« Reply #16 on: June 01, 2017, 09:25:24 pm »
Thanks guys.

I appreciate the feedback.

Seems it's not an "end of the road" scenario.

I'll make my way over Unit 6 Viben square soon.

Superfoxi did warn me about the "ktm issue" but I just love this bike. The look, the feel, the ride, the whole package..



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The whole package the 640 adventure came in was, imo, one of the best D/S motorcycles ever. It was spoiled by a lot of reliability issues, unfortunately, but KTM singles are still like that. :pot:
I am surprised, and would like to know the reason KTM never built the 690 in a similar adventure guise.

Exactly. Its a great design and would be the perfect bike - if the Japs would have decided to build it. The 640 has just too many issues that KTM never bothered to fix.
 

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Re: Is this bad or really bad or not that bad.
« Reply #17 on: June 01, 2017, 09:57:47 pm »

The whole package the 640 adventure came in was, imo, one of the best D/S motorcycles ever. It was spoiled by a lot of reliability issues, unfortunately, but KTM singles are still like that. :pot:
I am surprised, and would like to know the reason KTM never built the 690 in a similar adventure guise.

We asked the guys from the factory and they didn't seem to think there was a market for such a bike
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Re: Is this bad or really bad or not that bad.
« Reply #18 on: August 12, 2017, 09:21:42 pm »
Got to meet Dux - seems a very wise man!

Wish I could just buy a brand new 640 and look after it from Kilometer 1
 

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Re: Is this bad or really bad or not that bad.
« Reply #19 on: August 18, 2017, 01:54:02 pm »
All I know is @Supefoxi just LOVES ...and I mean LOVES fixing KTM dashboards.

The 640 is one of the best looking bikes ever built. It's  :drif:
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