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Re: Small Bore Singles (450 and below) - collective review
« Reply #20 on: June 28, 2017, 03:44:01 pm »
Make: BMW G450X
New Price: not available new. Can pick them up between R30k and R40k second hand.
General Review:   see here: http://www.visordown.com/features/road-tests/first-rides/2009-bmw-g450x-first-ride-review

Pros: Reliable. road-legal enduro bike that can be used for light adventure, with the addition of an additional fuel tank
8000km service interval, when run in LOW POWER mode.

good dealer support.
Parts generally available through BMW, and shares many common parts with Husky 449 (discontinued), and CCM GP 450 (recently discontinued).
longer sprocket and chain life due to constant chain tension.


Note: the 2010 model had gold forks, (as opposed to black, and had numerous upgrades over model year 2008 and 2009)

Cons:  needs valve checking every 10 hours when run in HIGH-POWER mode...
CS sprocket is located on swingarm pivot, so more work to swap out CS sprockets.
ideally needs a breather vent mod: Allows hot blow by gasses to circumvent the torque limiter and pass out the top of the valve cover. This not only aids in the life of the torque limiter, but also allows for the original manufacture recommended oil quantities to be utilized.
Weight dry: about 111kg

Fuel capacity/Range: 8.0L
Suspension Front: Marzocchi 45mm diameter upside downs, Rear: direct-mounted Ohlins shock, fully adjustable.

the BMW Motor was subsequently used in the UK-built CCM GP450 [Edit: 5000 m-i-l-e service interval, due to low power mode], with good results (in LOW POWER mode). CCM has recently discontinued the CCM GP 450.
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Re: Small Bore Singles (450 and below) - collective review
« Reply #21 on: June 28, 2017, 04:58:49 pm »
@ zebra - Flying Brick: Thanks for the comprehensive review on the G450X. Makes me think I made a mistake buying the DRZ.

@ Omninorm: Thanks for pointing out the errors of my ways....    ;)    I updated some of the points.
Feel free to correct me where I have erred and I'll fix the original post. Some of the weights may not be exact but should be within about a kg or two. I've done some guessing because some sites only list kurb weight so I've tried to deduct the weight of fuel and other fluids to achieve the dry weights.

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Re: Small Bore Singles (450 and below) - collective review
« Reply #22 on: June 28, 2017, 05:00:56 pm »
The wheels are turning....

http://www.advridermag.com.au/yamaha-t4-limited-edition-adventure-bike/

That's damn nice but did I read right, 30 to be made available world wide?

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Re: Small Bore Singles (450 and below) - collective review
« Reply #23 on: June 28, 2017, 05:10:26 pm »


Quote from: blauth on Today at 04:58:49 pm
@ zebra - Flying Brick: Thanks for the comprehensive review on the G450X. Makes me think I made a mistake buying the DRZ.


@ blauth: unsure, I like th eDRZ, and remember...the G450X only 'likes' to do around 115km/h sustained on the tar; it can overtake at around 145km/h, but does not like to be flogged, whereas I think the DRZ could 'sit' at a higher speed, possibly?
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Re: Small Bore Singles (450 and below) - collective review
« Reply #24 on: June 28, 2017, 05:19:41 pm »


Quote from: blauth on Today at 04:58:49 pm
@ zebra - Flying Brick: Thanks for the comprehensive review on the G450X. Makes me think I made a mistake buying the DRZ.


@ blauth: unsure, I like th eDRZ, and remember...the G450X only 'likes' to do around 115km/h sustained on the tar; it can overtake at around 145km/h, but does not like to be flogged, whereas I think the DRZ could 'sit' at a higher speed, possibly?
Chris


My DRZe is geared like the 's' model (15/44) and it's happy place for cruizing is about 115km/h too. Speedo is pretty acurate, reading at 5km/h over at the 115km so true speed around 110km/h. It easily pulls to about 155km/h for overtaking but it's not happy there.

One thing I must admit is that I'm a little surprised at the power of the DRZ. It's pretty quick for a 400. Maybe because it's ratio's are closer to a 250's ratio's.

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Re: Small Bore Singles (450 and below) - collective review
« Reply #25 on: June 29, 2017, 08:08:12 am »
from our good friend Michnus, travelling in South America...!





Bit embarrassing that ZA can't build bikes. Good to see Kenya take the bull by the horns and that with a the Dutch helping. We have everything in ZA to do this type of thing. Okay Kenya are much more into small bikes than ZA.


Can carry 250kg! Good for back up for the "Enduro pro" bikes   

http://kibo.bike/


https://auto.ndtv.com/news/kibo-k150-motorcycle-launched-in-kenya-1695186



Kibo is Swahili for 'hippo' and the company is founded by a Dutch economist. The bike's design has its origins in the Netherlands, but it has been designed and developed specifically for Africa and its people.

Dutch company Kibo has been introduced in Kenya to build safer motorcycles, and to address problems of purpose-built transport in the African nation. The company was set up by Dutch economist Huib van de Grijspaard and the bike was designed in Amsterdam. After more than two years of research and trips to Kenya, Kibo has launched the K150 - a motorcycle built for the Kenyan rider. The bike is developed in Kenya, with parts sourced directly from manufacturers and assembled in Nairobi at local manufacturing plants.


The idea was to build a bike that is safe, high-quality and affordable; at the same time rugged and with decent power for both off-road and city traffic conditions. The Kibo K150 was designed to meet a unique market demand - the requirement of quick and sturdy vehicles for the medical community, NGOs and courier companies like DHL and Western Union. The K 150 is also targeted at boda-boda drivers - the unofficial motorcycle taxis in cities like Nairobi.

Kibo K150 features a rugged frame and 250 kg load carrying capacity

Both the product and the branding have been designed keeping in mind motorcycle safety for Kenyans, and also to educate people about motorcycle safety. Traffic laws in Kenya are unenforced and many riders don't even wear helmets because of prohibitive pricing. Huib van de Grijspaard roped in design studio Greenspace to do the branding. The company says the bike has been designed specifically for Africa and its people, with a rugged chassis, torquey engine and decent load carrying capacity.

Kibo K150 features vertically stacked dual headlights

The Kibo K150's frame is made out of welded steel tubing, making the bike incredibly strong and the K150 can carry loads of up to 250 kg - essential for doctors, aid workers, and cargo carriers transporting baggage. The bike uses a single-cylinder, air-cooled, four-stroke, single overhead cam engine with balance shaft. While power and torque output hasn't been disclosed, the 150 cc engine is said to offer a good mix of power and efficiency. Maximum torque is achieved at low revs, making for good off-road performance, while the balancer shaft makes for smooth and refined operation.

Kibo K150 has large 21-inch front wheel, 200 mm ground clearance

Dual-sport tyres shod on large wheels (21-inch front, 18-inch rear) and a high ground clearance of 200 mm equip the Kibo K150 with decent off-road ability. A reinforced bash plate protects the underside from rocks and rough roads. Braking is handled by a 266 mm front disc and 220 mm rear disc gripped by dual piston calipers. The company's name, Kibo, is derived from the Swahili word for 'hippo'. The Kibo K150 is priced at 3,42,200 Kenyan Shillings (just over Rs 2 lakh).

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semms like a nice, Africa-friendly small bike option in/around cities and rural areas!
Chris
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Re: Small Bore Singles (450 and below) - collective review
« Reply #26 on: June 29, 2017, 08:22:11 am »
Kibo 150.

What a brilliant idea, to build these bikes in Kenya, and build them so strongly.

Decent frame, you won't easily break that subframe :deal: , agri-bike suspension and the right wheelsizes.

A strong cheapie for Africa.
 

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Re: Small Bore Singles (450 and below) - collective review
« Reply #27 on: June 29, 2017, 09:37:14 am »
Kibo 150:  approximate South African Rand price, converted from Kenyan Shilling directly: would be around R42K.


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« Reply #28 on: June 29, 2017, 10:10:38 am »
Excellent design on the little Kibo 150. Probably weighs a ton but does that really matter. On Maslow's heirarchy of needs:

Must crash well - ticked (crash bars all around and rear foot boards double up as foot rests and/or luggage support)
Must carry at least three people and a cow (together) - ticked
Must be cheap and reliable - ticked (not sure about engine but I'm sure it's not bad)
Must use little fuel - ticked (only a little 150)

My only criticism would be (maybe); with what appears to be little suspension travel, the lower fork tubes extend way past the axle....probably unnecessary however this design will allow for a longer stanchion, thus allowing for bushing being further apart, thus having a lower wear ratio so maybe there is method to the madness.

Fuel capacity @ 6.8 litres is also a bit on the low side given that fuel is not readily available everywhere and for doctors using this little bike to ride to remote villages, I'm sure they need the extra range.

Well done Kenya!!
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« Reply #29 on: June 29, 2017, 03:56:46 pm »
Excellent design on the little Kibo 150. Probably weighs a ton but does that really matter. On Maslow's heirarchy of needs:

Must crash well - ticked (crash bars all around and rear foot boards double up as foot rests and/or luggage support)
Must carry at least three people and a cow (together) - ticked
Must be cheap and reliable - ticked (not sure about engine but I'm sure it's not bad)
Must use little fuel - ticked (only a little 150)

My only criticism would be (maybe); with what appears to be little suspension travel, the lower fork tubes extend way past the axle....probably unnecessary however this design will allow for a longer stanchion, thus allowing for bushing being further apart, thus having a lower wear ratio so maybe there is method to the madness.

Fuel capacity @ 6.8 litres is also a bit on the low side given that fuel is not readily available everywhere and for doctors using this little bike to ride to remote villages, I'm sure they need the extra range.

Well done Kenya!!
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Re: Small Bore Singles (450 and below) - collective review
« Reply #30 on: June 29, 2017, 04:43:49 pm »


Here is a really cool review of the kawasaki 300X

It ends quite well, is it a bike for the young or the old?
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Re: Small Bore Singles (450 and below) - collective review
« Reply #31 on: June 29, 2017, 05:42:04 pm »


Here is a really cool review of the kawasaki 300X

It ends quite well, is it a bike for the young or the old?
Nothing beats a thumper offroad full stop.
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« Reply #32 on: June 29, 2017, 08:01:23 pm »
Very interesting.The Honda 250 seems to be a really nice little bike ( but I think it suffers from the old Honda ache of being too porky :pot:).
 

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Re: Small Bore Singles (450 and below) - collective review
« Reply #33 on: June 30, 2017, 08:41:04 am »
weight of the Kibo (unsure if DRY or WET weight...)


Hi Christopher,
Thank you for contacting Kibo.
The Kibo K150 weighs approximately 135 kgs net.
I hope that is sufficient.
 
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Re: Small Bore Singles (450 and below) - collective review
« Reply #34 on: July 04, 2017, 11:24:30 pm »
**Snip**
Make: Honda CRF250L Rally
Cons:  Rear suspension is undersprung for bigger riders.

Suspension (Travel Front, Rear, Adjustability): Front upside downs: 250mm, Rear: 265mm, rear pre-load adjustment only.
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'undersprung' that is an UNDERSTATEMENT of note. 
Het vandag na 'n splinternuwe een gekyk en die STATIC SAG WAS 85mm.  Rider sag van 100kg persoon was 80mm wat nie te bad is.

Met die moerse static sag is dit nogal 'n issue om van die fiets af te klim as die sidestand reeds uit is.  Dis HEELWAT erger as 'n 'plestiek' wat redelik regop staan.  Die fiets 'kom saam' as mens afklim.

Nie met hom gery maar verder van hom gehou BEHALWE vir die cheap blink swart panele.  Ek sal dit onmiddelik 'n mat clearcoat gee.  Van die panele is Poly Propolene wat lekker sterk is maar o wee Honda gebruik seker die swakste ABS op die planeet.  Die toolbox deksel is reeds gekraak. (Ons het al krake op verskeie ABS panele op Honda's gesien.)  So deur die gaatjies gekyk lyk dit asof die preload op laagste was.  (Danie hy is in Japan aanmekaargesit :pot:)

Sal ek hom koop?
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Re: Small Bore Singles (450 and below) - collective review
« Reply #36 on: April 19, 2020, 08:43:22 am »
A serious problem with smallbore adventure bikes is their lack of power, or more specifically, torque.

A day-outing on a bike with no luggage is a far cry from a multiple day with luggage, and add to this long days and wind/hills, and it can become a difficult ride for some.

Unless you buy and convert a Yamaha WR to become, kicking and screaming, a D/S bike, what is the point of a 145kg 250cc, if one can also have a 145kg 701?
 

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« Reply #37 on: April 19, 2020, 11:17:55 am »
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« Reply #38 on: April 20, 2020, 07:42:19 am »
A serious problem with smallbore adventure bikes is their lack of power, or more specifically, torque.

A day-outing on a bike with no luggage is a far cry from a multiple day with luggage, and add to this long days and wind/hills, and it can become a difficult ride for some.

Unless you buy and convert a Yamaha WR to become, kicking and screaming, a D/S bike, what is the point of a 145kg 250cc, if one can also have a 145kg 701?

I'd argue that all it requires is a mind set change.....and once you embrace that change, it's quite liberating.

These things are not around the world travelers except for someone trying to prove a point. They are lightweight, no fuss, low maintenance, low fuel commuters, reliable and cheap for the masses. It's only the Cafe Racer genre that have idolized this into a cult status (me being one of those).  Which have kinda screwed the pooch because cheap is no longer.

I mention I went up Sani on my ANF125 scooter in a 300km+ day. Admittedly, I got some strange looks and at that altitude, power was barely enough to get to the top. This scoot, I bought basically new from Honda in roughly  2014/15 for R11500.00. It had zero mileage but they had stripped mirrors, luggage rack and seat bracket off to repair other bikes for the post office who had a fleet of them.

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Re: Small Bore Singles (450 and below) - collective review
« Reply #39 on: April 20, 2020, 07:53:10 am »
How exciting is this?

https://www.autoblog.com/2020/03/27/honda-hunter-cub-ct125-trail-motorbike-motorcycle/



I like that, a whole lot.

I have visions of building a hydraulically/electric actuated bike rack at the back of the Landy (Defender). The little bike would sit where the spare wheel currently sits, perpendicular to the van on a rail. The rail has two activating shafts on either side that can drop the rail to the floor level (and lower, explanation below). The rack can also tilt 45 degree back so that when it's in the down position, you can open the rear door.

Furthermore, the rack can extend lower than floor level to act as an automatic jack to lift the rear of the vehicle up in cases of tyre repair and if you're stuck.

Why this little bike is ideal is it's relatively light and is the ideal overland companion .... this may still be a project of mine in the future.