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Re: Bike Tour through Lesotho goes horribly wrong
« Reply #100 on: July 13, 2017, 08:53:13 am »
No reply is her best answer now. Silence is golden. After the detailed explanation given by the complainant, what can she really say? Explain one thing, but not everything - answer one question and 20 others come in their place.

Nope. Rather just stay away is the best advice I would have given her as well

Let me just be frank here and say it like it is, cos we (meaning some of us) are all thinking it... her track record here and elsewhere leaves much to be desired, so it will take a moer of a lot to redeem herself... not only here, but in her business circles as well.

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Re: Bike Tour through Lesotho goes horribly wrong
« Reply #101 on: July 13, 2017, 09:01:31 am »
No reply is her best answer now. Silence is golden. After the detailed explanation given by the complainant, what can she really say? Explain one thing, but not everything - answer one question and 20 others come in their place.

Nope. Rather just stay away is the best advice I would have given her as well

Let me just be frank here and say it like it is, cos we (meaning some of us) are all thinking it... her track record here and elsewhere leaves much to be desired, so it will take a moer of a lot to redeem herself... not only here, but in her business circles as well.
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Re: Bike Tour through Lesotho goes horribly wrong
« Reply #102 on: July 13, 2017, 09:02:45 am »
No reply is her best answer now. Silence is golden. After the detailed explanation given by the complainant, what can she really say? Explain one thing, but not everything - answer one question and 20 others come in their place.

Nope. Rather just stay away is the best advice I would have given her as well

Let me just be frank here and say it like it is, cos we (meaning some of us) are all thinking it... her track record here and elsewhere leaves much to be desired, so it will take a moer of a lot to redeem herself... not only here, but in her business circles as well.

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Re: Bike Tour through Lesotho goes horribly wrong
« Reply #103 on: July 13, 2017, 09:07:49 am »
I'll throw my 2c into the ring here. For a couple of reasons...

1. I am a paramedic, and for many years I specialised in supporting events just like the one here.
2. I have worked in Lesotho for about 3 years, and I know the challenges and logistics when dealing with patients.
3. I have met Jo, and I have great respect for her.

OK, these are just my personal opinions and views...

1. When you are the paramedic on such a trip, the safety and health of your clients is first priority. FIRST priority. If someone is sick, you DO WHAT IT TAKES to assist them. NOTHING is too much effort. When a client is injured, you must have the authority to STOP the event, if you need to transport a patient away from the group to access medical care (like getting the patient to an ambulance)
2. When you organise a trip like this, in remote locations away from the response areas of SA ambulance services, you need decent paramedics. Not some dude with a first aid certificate, not a basic first aider, not even an intermediate life support paramedic registered with the HPCSA. You need an Advanced Life Support paramedic. And then you need one with experience in dealing with remote emergencies. I don't know what level of medic was on this event, but from the level of care given, I doubt it was decent ALS.In my opinion the medic should have properly examined the client in question, and if he did so properly he would have noted that she was incapable of operating a motorcycle, especially at altitude.
3. When operating at altitude, like at above 10 000ft in Lesotho, even minor ailments can be a lot more debilitating than at sea level. Anyone who has been up there can attest to the difficulty in just breathing when doing strenuous exercise.
4. I have worked for tour companies, and in the event of an emergency, the tour is stopped until the patient is stabilised and transported away, and the medic has returned. Yes, it screws with the rest of the group, but is a human life, and the reputation of your company, not more important?

From the blog written by the client, and from the (short) mention made about it by Jo, it seems that several "golden rules" were broken, and that is a pity. I hope to be disproved by either Jo or the medic that was on her trip (I know many of the medics still working is SA, I may even know this one personally)

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Re: Bike Tour through Lesotho goes horribly wrong
« Reply #104 on: July 13, 2017, 09:25:14 am »
It's a bit different putting your riding experiences, lecture circuit efforts and being treated as minor royalty at BMW to actually making a business out of it this way. I'm sure lessons have been learnt and i wish her well going forward....as many will know she is single minded & dedicated to what she does.
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Re: Bike Tour through Lesotho goes horribly wrong
« Reply #105 on: July 13, 2017, 09:30:12 am »
I'll throw my 2c into the ring here. For a couple of reasons...

1. I am a paramedic, and for many years I specialised in supporting events just like the one here.
2. I have worked in Lesotho for about 3 years, and I know the challenges and logistics when dealing with patients.
3. I have met Jo, and I have great respect for her.

OK, these are just my personal opinions and views...

1. When you are the paramedic on such a trip, the safety and health of your clients is first priority. FIRST priority. If someone is sick, you DO WHAT IT TAKES to assist them. NOTHING is too much effort. When a client is injured, you must have the authority to STOP the event, if you need to transport a patient away from the group to access medical care (like getting the patient to an ambulance)
2. When you organise a trip like this, in remote locations away from the response areas of SA ambulance services, you need decent paramedics. Not some dude with a first aid certificate, not a basic first aider, not even an intermediate life support paramedic registered with the HPCSA. You need an Advanced Life Support paramedic. And then you need one with experience in dealing with remote emergencies. I don't know what level of medic was on this event, but from the level of care given, I doubt it was decent ALS.In my opinion the medic should have properly examined the client in question, and if he did so properly he would have noted that she was incapable of operating a motorcycle, especially at altitude.
3. When operating at altitude, like at above 10 000ft in Lesotho, even minor ailments can be a lot more debilitating than at sea level. Anyone who has been up there can attest to the difficulty in just breathing when doing strenuous exercise.
4. I have worked for tour companies, and in the event of an emergency, the tour is stopped until the patient is stabilised and transported away, and the medic has returned. Yes, it screws with the rest of the group, but is a human life, and the reputation of your company, not more important?

From the blog written by the client, and from the (short) mention made about it by Jo, it seems that several "golden rules" were broken, and that is a pity. I hope to be disproved by either Jo or the medic that was on her trip (I know many of the medics still working is SA, I may even know this one personally)

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I don't think it is fair to just point fingers at Jo , I think bike tour operators in SA do err on the side of less caution than overseas companies.

Yes it is TIA and all that , but when it comes to safety ,especially foreigners safety they should rather err on the side of caution. 

I like and respect Jo and I support her Bike tours and have full faith in her that she will learn from this and go on to bigger success. I for one support her.

She made a mistake ( from what we can see ) but it is human to make mistakes and no reason to shoot her down completely . Would like to hear her side of the story too.
Maybe the Mods can move this thread to Jou Ma to give Jo the protection that it will not be read by the wider public

Although as Gerrard says if there are talks of court cases , the less Jo says on social media the better.  I hope it does not come to that

Feeling for the injured party, but also for Jo .  :thumleft:
 

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Re: Bike Tour through Lesotho goes horribly wrong
« Reply #106 on: July 13, 2017, 10:31:41 am »
I am the first to throw insults but won't.............. >:D

All I can say is when I heard that she was going to lead adventurerides I had a slight chuckle...... :imaposer:
In my life will I pay that much money to ride behind that chic at 60km/h
Just the mere thought of the sight of it.............. :o

Then again............I may learn something from her vast worldly experience and precise BMW fostered riding abilities......................
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Re: Bike Tour through Lesotho goes horribly wrong
« Reply #107 on: July 13, 2017, 10:35:58 am »
I am the first to throw insults but won't.............. >:D

All I can say is when I heard that she was going to lead adventurerides I had a slight chuckle...... :imaposer:
In my life will I pay that much money to ride behind that chic at 60km/h
Just the mere thought of the sight of it.............. :o

Then again............I may learn something from her vast worldly experience and precise BMW fostered riding abilities......................

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Re: Bike Tour through Lesotho goes horribly wrong
« Reply #108 on: July 13, 2017, 10:56:32 am »
I am the first to throw insults but won't.............. >:D

All I can say is when I heard that she was going to lead adventurerides I had a slight chuckle...... :imaposer:
In my life will I pay that much money to ride behind that chic at 60km/h
Just the mere thought of the sight of it.............. :o

Then again............I may learn something from her vast worldly experience and precise BMW fostered riding abilities......................

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Re: Bike Tour through Lesotho goes horribly wrong
« Reply #109 on: July 13, 2017, 11:30:01 am »
I am the first to throw insults but won't.............. >:D

All I can say is when I heard that she was going to lead adventurerides I had a slight chuckle...... :imaposer:
In my life will I pay that much money to ride behind that chic at 60km/h
Just the mere thought of the sight of it.............. :o

Then again............I may learn something from her vast worldly experience and precise BMW fostered riding abilities......................

I dare not comment myself, lest I cause a world of kak.

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Re: Bike Tour through Lesotho goes horribly wrong
« Reply #110 on: July 13, 2017, 11:33:44 am »
I am the first to throw insults but won't.............. >:D

All I can say is when I heard that she was going to lead adventurerides I had a slight chuckle...... :imaposer:
In my life will I pay that much money to ride behind that chic at 60km/h
Just the mere thought of the sight of it.............. :o

Then again............I may learn something from her vast worldly experience and precise BMW fostered riding abilities......................

I dare not comment myself, lest I cause a world of kak.

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 :lol8: I am man enough to apologise... I am sorry for making you miss out.  :imaposer:
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Re: Bike Tour through Lesotho goes horribly wrong
« Reply #111 on: July 13, 2017, 11:37:38 am »
I am the first to throw insults but won't.............. >:D

All I can say is when I heard that she was going to lead adventurerides I had a slight chuckle...... :imaposer:
In my life will I pay that much money to ride behind that chic at 60km/h
Just the mere thought of the sight of it.............. :o

Then again............I may learn something from her vast worldly experience and precise BMW fostered riding abilities......................

I dare not comment myself, lest I cause a world of kak.

You're a bigger man than me OS  :imaposer:

 :lol8: I am man enough to apologise... I am sorry for making you miss out.  :imaposer:

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Re: Bike Tour through Lesotho goes horribly wrong
« Reply #112 on: July 13, 2017, 11:38:19 am »
Guys, can we stop discouraging Jo from posting? what other drama can I enjoy and discuss here in my office today if she doesn't comment!


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Re: Bike Tour through Lesotho goes horribly wrong
« Reply #113 on: July 13, 2017, 11:53:13 am »
 :sip: Would love to hear from her side too...
 

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Re: Bike Tour through Lesotho goes horribly wrong
« Reply #114 on: July 13, 2017, 12:19:44 pm »

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I wouldn't post here, or on any forum, if I was in her position.
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Re: Bike Tour through Lesotho goes horribly wrong
« Reply #115 on: July 13, 2017, 03:08:11 pm »
Hi all, please note that Jo Rust will answer directly soon.

Is the client who complained going to come and defend herself as well?
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Re: Bike Tour through Lesotho goes horribly wrong
« Reply #116 on: July 13, 2017, 03:13:04 pm »
Jo has already responded to this on her Blog, I doubt that she would post something different here on this forum.

As a Guide with my own touring company where I have taken more than 50 tours already, I can sort of relate to this incident. Iíve paid my school fees and Jo is doing the same thing, the way I handle tours now to the way I did in the very beginning with experience is somewhat different. I would leave her in peace now to sort this out amicably with her tour guest and her husband.
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Re: Bike Tour through Lesotho goes horribly wrong
« Reply #117 on: July 13, 2017, 03:16:44 pm »
Jo has already responded to this on her Blog, I doubt that she would post something different here on this forum.

As a Guide with my own touring company where I have taken more than 50 tours already, I can sort of relate to this incident. Iíve paid my school fees and Jo is doing the same thing, the way I handle tours now to the way I did in the very beginning with experience is somewhat different. I would leave her in peace now to sort this out amicably with her tour guest and her husband.

Link?
 

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Re: Bike Tour through Lesotho goes horribly wrong
« Reply #118 on: July 13, 2017, 03:17:52 pm »
Jo has already responded to this on her Blog, I doubt that she would post something different here on this forum.

As a Guide with my own touring company where I have taken more than 50 tours already, I can sort of relate to this incident. Iíve paid my school fees and Jo is doing the same thing, the way I handle tours now to the way I did in the very beginning with experience is somewhat different. I would leave her in peace now to sort this out amicably with her tour guest and her husband.

Link?
https://www.jorustadventures.com/single-post/2017/06/12/An-open-letter-to-the-adventure-motorcycling-community-and-anyone-planning-wishing-to-go-on-an-organized-adventure-motorcycle-tour
 

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Re: Bike Tour through Lesotho goes horribly wrong
« Reply #119 on: July 13, 2017, 03:36:29 pm »
Jo has already responded to this on her Blog, I doubt that she would post something different here on this forum.

As a Guide with my own touring company where I have taken more than 50 tours already, I can sort of relate to this incident. Iíve paid my school fees and Jo is doing the same thing, the way I handle tours now to the way I did in the very beginning with experience is somewhat different. I would leave her in peace now to sort this out amicably with her tour guest and her husband.

Urrm, however......
Nowhere does she address the issue
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