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Re: Bike Tour through Lesotho goes horribly wrong
« Reply #80 on: July 12, 2017, 04:49:55 pm »
Let me ramble on a bit. You can choose how and where you want to apply my statement.  :deal:

IMHO!

I feel sorry for the poor Sherpa's that lug "adventure" seekers up mountains so that people who dont belong there can go home and say they had a "adventure".


Think about it!

Yep I agree, however the Sherpa's have the last say whether the "adventure seeker"is fit enough to do it or not
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Re: Bike Tour through Lesotho goes horribly wrong
« Reply #81 on: July 12, 2017, 04:53:44 pm »
Let me ramble on a bit. You can choose how and where you want to apply my statement.  :deal:

IMHO!

I feel sorry for the poor Sherpa's that lug "adventure" seekers up mountains so that people who dont belong there can go home and say they had a "adventure".


Think about it!

Yep I agree, however the Sherpa's have the last say whether the "adventure seeker"is fit enough to do it or not

Agreed. Light up some cabbage you might find a few other deeper meanings in that one sentence.  :imaposer:
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Re: Bike Tour through Lesotho goes horribly wrong
« Reply #82 on: July 12, 2017, 05:13:41 pm »
Let me ramble on a bit. You can choose how and where you want to apply my statement.  :deal:

IMHO!

I feel sorry for the poor Sherpa's that lug "adventure" seekers up mountains so that people who dont belong there can go home and say they had a "adventure".


Think about it!

Yep I agree, however the Sherpa's have the last say whether the "adventure seeker"is fit enough to do it or not

Agreed. Light up some cabbage you might find a few other deeper meanings in that one sentence.  :imaposer:

I did..........   deaper drags.........i mean find deaper meanings  :imaposer: :imaposer: :laughing4:
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Re: Bike Tour through Lesotho goes horribly wrong
« Reply #83 on: July 12, 2017, 08:29:21 pm »
Hi all, please note that Jo Rust will answer directly soon.

 :thumleft: would be interesting to hear her side as well, apart from what was posted on her page
 

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Re: Bike Tour through Lesotho goes horribly wrong
« Reply #84 on: July 12, 2017, 09:17:13 pm »
Hi all, please note that Jo Rust will answer directly soon.

 :thumleft: would be interesting to hear her side as well, apart from what was posted on her page

My feeling, as a PR exercise its going to have a bad ending.
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Re: Bike Tour through Lesotho goes horribly wrong
« Reply #85 on: July 12, 2017, 09:27:09 pm »
Hi all, please note that Jo Rust will answer directly soon.

 :thumleft: would be interesting to hear her side as well, apart from what was posted on her page

My feeling, as a PR exercise its going to have a bad ending.

I wouldn't post here, or on any forum, if I was in her position.
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Re: Bike Tour through Lesotho goes horribly wrong
« Reply #86 on: July 12, 2017, 09:32:40 pm »
Hi all, please note that Jo Rust will answer directly soon.

 :thumleft: would be interesting to hear her side as well, apart from what was posted on her page

My feeling, as a PR exercise its going to have a bad ending.

probably.... but if some of the 'facts' posted and spread on facebook are blatantly untrue, I would love to hear that - at this stage, I'm 99% with the customer, which is not a good ending for the service provider - but yes, if a reply swings most to 100%, it's bad..... BUT, if one is humble enough to admit faults and specify changes, things could look better?
 

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Re: Bike Tour through Lesotho goes horribly wrong
« Reply #87 on: July 12, 2017, 09:32:56 pm »
Hi all, please note that Jo Rust will answer directly soon.

 :thumleft: would be interesting to hear her side as well, apart from what was posted on her page

My feeling, as a PR exercise its going to have a bad ending.
True.

Hi all, please note that Jo Rust will answer directly soon.

 :thumleft: would be interesting to hear her side as well, apart from what was posted on her page

My feeling, as a PR exercise its going to have a bad ending.

I wouldn't post here, or on any forum, if I was in her position.
True also. I don' t think her target market is here anyway.
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Re: Bike Tour through Lesotho goes horribly wrong
« Reply #88 on: July 12, 2017, 09:33:13 pm »
Hi all, please note that Jo Rust will answer directly soon.

 :thumleft: would be interesting to hear her side as well, apart from what was posted on her page

My feeling, as a PR exercise its going to have a bad ending.

I wouldn't post here, or on any forum, if I was in her position.

Like I said... if you try and explain...    They will rip you apart.
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Re: Bike Tour through Lesotho goes horribly wrong
« Reply #89 on: July 12, 2017, 09:36:47 pm »
Hi all, please note that Jo Rust will answer directly soon.

 :thumleft: would be interesting to hear her side as well, apart from what was posted on her page

My feeling, as a PR exercise its going to have a bad ending.

I wouldn't post here, or on any forum, if I was in her position.

Like I said... if you try and explain...    They will rip you apart.

For sure.  And at best it will be a hes said she said scenario.  It can hold no advantage for her to respond on the internet.
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Re: Bike Tour through Lesotho goes horribly wrong
« Reply #90 on: July 12, 2017, 09:48:37 pm »
Hi all, please note that Jo Rust will answer directly soon.

 :thumleft: would be interesting to hear her side as well, apart from what was posted on her page

My feeling, as a PR exercise its going to have a bad ending.

I wouldn't post here, or on any forum, if I was in her position.

Like I said... if you try and explain...    They will rip you apart.

For sure.  And at best it will be a hes said she said scenario.  It can hold no advantage for her to respond on the internet.

All she needs to do is state the truth, and if that puts her in a bad light, she did things wrong.

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Re: Bike Tour through Lesotho goes horribly wrong
« Reply #91 on: July 12, 2017, 10:42:59 pm »
No reply is her best answer now. Silence is golden. After the detailed explanation given by the complainant, what can she really say? Explain one thing, but not everything - answer one question and 20 others come in their place.

Nope. Rather just stay away is the best advice I would have given her as well
 

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Re: Bike Tour through Lesotho goes horribly wrong
« Reply #92 on: July 13, 2017, 01:04:16 am »
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Re: Bike Tour through Lesotho goes horribly wrong
« Reply #93 on: July 13, 2017, 03:30:46 am »
I'll throw my 2c into the ring here. For a couple of reasons...

1. I am a paramedic, and for many years I specialised in supporting events just like the one here.
2. I have worked in Lesotho for about 3 years, and I know the challenges and logistics when dealing with patients.
3. I have met Jo, and I have great respect for her.

OK, these are just my personal opinions and views...

1. When you are the paramedic on such a trip, the safety and health of your clients is first priority. FIRST priority. If someone is sick, you DO WHAT IT TAKES to assist them. NOTHING is too much effort. When a client is injured, you must have the authority to STOP the event, if you need to transport a patient away from the group to access medical care (like getting the patient to an ambulance)
2. When you organise a trip like this, in remote locations away from the response areas of SA ambulance services, you need decent paramedics. Not some dude with a first aid certificate, not a basic first aider, not even an intermediate life support paramedic registered with the HPCSA. You need an Advanced Life Support paramedic. And then you need one with experience in dealing with remote emergencies. I don't know what level of medic was on this event, but from the level of care given, I doubt it was decent ALS.In my opinion the medic should have properly examined the client in question, and if he did so properly he would have noted that she was incapable of operating a motorcycle, especially at altitude.
3. When operating at altitude, like at above 10 000ft in Lesotho, even minor ailments can be a lot more debilitating than at sea level. Anyone who has been up there can attest to the difficulty in just breathing when doing strenuous exercise.
4. I have worked for tour companies, and in the event of an emergency, the tour is stopped until the patient is stabilised and transported away, and the medic has returned. Yes, it screws with the rest of the group, but is a human life, and the reputation of your company, not more important?

From the blog written by the client, and from the (short) mention made about it by Jo, it seems that several "golden rules" were broken, and that is a pity. I hope to be disproved by either Jo or the medic that was on her trip (I know many of the medics still working is SA, I may even know this one personally)
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Re: Bike Tour through Lesotho goes horribly wrong
« Reply #94 on: July 13, 2017, 07:47:32 am »
Am I missing something here. The pre-existing, non disclosed medical condition was "fear of heights" but the medical emergency was pre-sepsis. Did she fall during the trip and that's what caused the imminent sepsis or did she bring it along on the tour?????

I have been fortunate enough to have fallen through a roof, got some cement under the skin and spent 8 weeks in hospital pre sepsis. I was barely able to wipe my arse let alone ride a bike down Sani

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Re: Bike Tour through Lesotho goes horribly wrong
« Reply #95 on: July 13, 2017, 08:14:17 am »
Am I missing something here. The pre-existing, non disclosed medical condition was "fear of heights" but the medical emergency was pre-sepsis. Did she fall during the trip and that's what caused the imminent sepsis or did she bring it along on the tour?????

I have been fortunate enough to have fallen through a roof, got some cement under the skin and spent 8 weeks in hospital pre sepsis. I was barely able to wipe my arse let alone ride a bike down Sani

 :lamer:

"Sepsis is a life-threatening condition that arises when the body's response to infection causes injury to its own tissues and organs"

who said it was fear of heights? I have also been staying up to date on this and was very keen to know what  this pre existing condition was.



Guys, can we stop discouraging Jo from posting? what other drama can I enjoy and discuss here in my office today if she doesn't comment!
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Re: Bike Tour through Lesotho goes horribly wrong
« Reply #96 on: July 13, 2017, 08:17:39 am »
Like Gerrard said, if you have to explain your actions then you stuffed up no matter what really happened.
If the situation had been handled correctly then the client or her husband would not have had any reason to post that write-up.
The operator's response looks like nothing more than trying to cover her ass or justify her actions.
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Re: Bike Tour through Lesotho goes horribly wrong
« Reply #97 on: July 13, 2017, 08:20:45 am »
Like Gerrard said, if you have to explain your actions then you stuffed up no matter what really happened.
If the situation had been handled correctly then the client or her husband would not have had any reason to post that write-up.
The operator's response looks like nothing more than trying to cover her ass or justify her actions.
My 2c.

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Re: Bike Tour through Lesotho goes horribly wrong
« Reply #98 on: July 13, 2017, 08:27:45 am »
Am I missing something here. The pre-existing, non disclosed medical condition was "fear of heights" but the medical emergency was pre-sepsis. Did she fall during the trip and that's what caused the imminent sepsis or did she bring it along on the tour?????

I have been fortunate enough to have fallen through a roof, got some cement under the skin and spent 8 weeks in hospital pre sepsis. I was barely able to wipe my arse let alone ride a bike down Sani

 :lamer:

"Sepsis is a life-threatening condition that arises when the body's response to infection causes injury to its own tissues and organs"

who said it was fear of heights? I have also been staying up to date on this and was very keen to know what  this pre existing condition was.



Guys, can we stop discouraging Jo from posting? what other drama can I enjoy and discuss here in my office today if she doesn't comment!


Must have read it somewhere, quite possibly somebody taking the piss......So what was the undisclosed medical condition......?
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Re: Bike Tour through Lesotho goes horribly wrong
« Reply #99 on: July 13, 2017, 08:41:56 am »
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