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general failure warning?
« on: July 18, 2017, 08:07:21 am »
So those that don't know....I recently had to work a lot on my rear ECC, or rather around it, on the 1190 after breaking the undertray and having everything full of mud in there
So I have cleaned everything as much as I can, but now I am getting MTC failure warning after challenging the TC a bit, I though it was related to a flat battery so charged it. But now I am getting on top of that a general failure warning as well. What can that be? Or rather what does it influence?

background, I understand the rear ECU is actually the MCU, it controls the driving aids. which is why I fully of the intention to still ride the bike as is. And no, there is not a KTM dealer near to me, and no, there is no time before my next trip to get the bike to a KTM dealer. But the general failure is a bit concerning...

Bike does not react different with these warnings on, ABS still works, TC is maybe a little less aggressive.
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Re: general failure warning?
« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2017, 08:25:27 am »
My first instinct with those things is to check the ABS sensors and rings on the wheels.  Maybe some gunk buildup there?
 

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Re: general failure warning?
« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2017, 08:27:42 am »
For me, the battery is almost always first point of call.
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« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2017, 08:41:43 am »
So those that don't know....I recently had to work a lot on my rear ECC, or rather around it, on the 1190 after breaking the undertray and having everything full of mud in there
So I have cleaned everything as much as I can, but now I am getting MTC failure warning after challenging the TC a bit, I though it was related to a flat battery so charged it. But now I am getting on top of that a general failure warning as well. What can that be? Or rather what does it influence?

background, I understand the rear ECU is actually the MCU, it controls the driving aids. which is why I fully of the intention to still ride the bike as is. And no, there is not a KTM dealer near to me, and no, there is no time before my next trip to get the bike to a KTM dealer. But the general failure is a bit concerning...

Bike does not react different with these warnings on, ABS still works, TC is maybe a little less aggressive.
Check your ABS fuse under your seat.... I had the same issue a few months ago after playing in the mud.

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Re: general failure warning?
« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2017, 08:41:45 am »
So those that don't know....I recently had to work a lot on my rear ECC, or rather around it, on the 1190 after breaking the undertray and having everything full of mud in there
So I have cleaned everything as much as I can, but now I am getting MTC failure warning after challenging the TC a bit, I though it was related to a flat battery so charged it. But now I am getting on top of that a general failure warning as well. What can that be? Or rather what does it influence?

background, I understand the rear ECU is actually the MCU, it controls the driving aids. which is why I fully of the intention to still ride the bike as is. And no, there is not a KTM dealer near to me, and no, there is no time before my next trip to get the bike to a KTM dealer. But the general failure is a bit concerning...

Bike does not react different with these warnings on, ABS still works, TC is maybe a little less aggressive.

Over my morning cup of coffee I did a quick Google search https://www.google.co.za/search?ie=UTF-8&client=ms-android-samsung&source=android-browser&q=ktm1190+general+warning&gws_rd=cr&ei=JaxtWfW7HcSQgAam6qfwCg#gws_rd=cr&scso=uid_WW2sJgADAcEKwCHMrwuRqA_1:53
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Re: general failure warning?
« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2017, 10:06:57 am »
Thanks Katana. Guess I should have started of with google.
So, other than the abs fuse mentioned earlier, I have two more possible issues. Flat battery, (it has been on the trickle charger for almost a week up to last night) or its the stuck throttle linkage which is an easy check. I will be checking and going for a quick ride in a few hours and check these issues.
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« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2017, 10:34:02 am »
Thanks Katana. Guess I should have started of with google.
So, other than the abs fuse mentioned earlier, I have two more possible issues. Flat battery, (it has been on the trickle charger for almost a week up to last night) or its the stuck throttle linkage which is an easy check. I will be checking and going for a quick ride in a few hours and check these issues.

That heated grip sorted out ?
 

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Re: general failure warning?
« Reply #7 on: July 18, 2017, 10:43:39 am »
Battery is n groot storie. As hy net n rapsie gekak het, sal hy either nie start nie, of klomp errors begin gooi.

Nog voordat jy die ding moertoe gery het  :imaposer: , het ek selfde general Failure warning gekry. Ander battery gekoop en probleem was gesolve.

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Re: general failure warning?
« Reply #8 on: July 18, 2017, 10:47:57 am »
Heated grips sorted, the Oxford grips takes forever to get warm.

I see to check the battery one charges it fully and then leave it be for 24hrs, it must still carry 12.8V then. Less and it needs to be replaced. I will charge tonight and do the test as well. Will also read up what is the strongest battery that could fit then but think the current one was not to bad at all.
Manic, maybe you can say how old is the current battery please?
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Re: general failure warning?
« Reply #9 on: July 18, 2017, 12:48:01 pm »
Heated grips sorted, the Oxford grips takes forever to get warm.

I see to check the battery one charges it fully and then leave it be for 24hrs, it must still carry 12.8V then. Less and it needs to be replaced. I will charge tonight and do the test as well. Will also read up what is the strongest battery that could fit then but think the current one was not to bad at all.
Manic, maybe you can say how old is the current battery please?

12.8V is an indication of state of charge.  Unfortunately not capacity, which is what you loose over time.
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Re: general failure warning?
« Reply #10 on: July 18, 2017, 01:30:13 pm »
I also have the warning for kill switch on even while the bike is idling... so I am busy checking which battery to buy.

Any idea if the motobatt mbtx9u is the correct one?
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Re: general failure warning?
« Reply #11 on: July 18, 2017, 01:46:24 pm »
I also have the warning for kill switch on even while the bike is idling... so I am busy checking which battery to buy.

Any idea if the motobatt mbtx9u is the correct one?
"Replaces    YTX9BS, YT12ABS, YTZ12S, YTZ14S"

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Re: general failure warning?
« Reply #12 on: July 18, 2017, 03:48:24 pm »
Miskien try daai 1190 die eienaar iets vertel  :imaposer:
 

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Re: general failure warning?
« Reply #13 on: July 20, 2017, 06:36:48 am »
Myne het ook die "general failure" gewys, maar wou nie oor 7000rpm gaan nie. (dit was met ons trip van Pta na Sutherland vir WC bash) elke geval na ons terug was het dit aan die lig gekom dat die olie temp sensor verkeerde lesing na die rekenaar gestuur het (het lesing van -5˚c gedoen)
Gevolglik het die rekenaar om die enjin te "beskerm" gekeer dat hy te hoog kan rev.
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Re: general failure warning?
« Reply #14 on: July 20, 2017, 07:18:03 am »
Myne het ook die "general failure" gewys, maar wou nie oor 7000rpm gaan nie. (dit was met ons trip van Pta na Sutherland vir WC bash) elke geval na ons terug was het dit aan die lig gekom dat die olie temp sensor verkeerde lesing na die rekenaar gestuur het (het lesing van -5˚c gedoen)
Gevolglik het die rekenaar om die enjin te "beskerm" gekeer dat hy te hoog kan rev.

Mens weet nie of so n "issue" mens moet frustreer of impress nie. Nice feature om te he.

Weet nie of ek dit genome het nie, maar ek het n low oil pressure warning ook gehad met die koue start. So om alle moontlikke goed te cover het ek nou n nuwe motobatt en olie filter in die pos.
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Re: general failure warning?
« Reply #15 on: July 21, 2017, 08:41:08 am »
So those that don't know....I recently had to work a lot on my rear ECC, or rather around it, on the 1190 after breaking the undertray and having everything full of mud in there
So I have cleaned everything as much as I can, but now I am getting MTC failure warning after challenging the TC a bit, I though it was related to a flat battery so charged it. But now I am getting on top of that a general failure warning as well. What can that be? Or rather what does it influence?

background, I understand the rear ECU is actually the MCU, it controls the driving aids. which is why I fully of the intention to still ride the bike as is. And no, there is not a KTM dealer near to me, and no, there is no time before my next trip to get the bike to a KTM dealer. But the general failure is a bit concerning...

Bike does not react different with these warnings on, ABS still works, TC is maybe a little less aggressive.

Hi m0lt3n.

The issues you have now sounds a lot like the issues I had.
Took the 1190 for a muddy and rainy ride; all went well. Washed the bike (with a hose no high pressure etc) and saw the first warning. MTC failure. I thought it might just be confused and took it for a gentle spin around town, then everything started flashing from MTC to ABS to low oil pressure. Stopped the bike immediately checked oil etc and all was fine. Rode it back home and I lost readings on my Tacho-and Speedometer.
Took the bike to KTM where they replaced the whole instrument cluster (dash) and all the issues were resolved. Was a 2014 model, sold it shortly after and new owner never had any issues again.
Really hope you get it sorted. Those 1190's are awesome bikes.  :ricky: :thumleft:
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Re: general failure warning?
« Reply #16 on: July 21, 2017, 09:08:53 am »
So those that don't know....I recently had to work a lot on my rear ECC, or rather around it, on the 1190 after breaking the undertray and having everything full of mud in there
So I have cleaned everything as much as I can, but now I am getting MTC failure warning after challenging the TC a bit, I though it was related to a flat battery so charged it. But now I am getting on top of that a general failure warning as well. What can that be? Or rather what does it influence?

background, I understand the rear ECU is actually the MCU, it controls the driving aids. which is why I fully of the intention to still ride the bike as is. And no, there is not a KTM dealer near to me, and no, there is no time before my next trip to get the bike to a KTM dealer. But the general failure is a bit concerning...

Bike does not react different with these warnings on, ABS still works, TC is maybe a little less aggressive.

Hi m0lt3n.

The issues you have now sounds a lot like the issues I had.
Took the 1190 for a muddy and rainy ride; all went well. Washed the bike (with a hose no high pressure etc) and saw the first warning. MTC failure. I thought it might just be confused and took it for a gentle spin around town, then everything started flashing from MTC to ABS to low oil pressure. Stopped the bike immediately checked oil etc and all was fine. Rode it back home and I lost readings on my Tacho-and Speedometer.
Took the bike to KTM where they replaced the whole instrument cluster (dash) and all the issues were resolved. Was a 2014 model, sold it shortly after and new owner never had any issues again.
Really hope you get it sorted. Those 1190's are awesome bikes.  :ricky: :thumleft:

I come from an exceptionally muddy ride so this is not what I want to hear.
To top that of I broke the undertray on that muddy ride as well so the mud is everywhere, which include beneath the seat around ECU and what not.

But I will keep my threat updated when new battery is fitted, I don't think I got mud around the instrument cluster plugs and so, but will have a look there as well. At the moment I feel more positive though that the battery should sort all.
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Re: general failure warning?
« Reply #17 on: July 31, 2017, 07:48:00 am »
Update....battery did not sort it out.

Still getting the General failure warning as well as the MTC failure. Coming Saturday we are going on a 7 day trip so there isn't much time left to sort out anything more. I haven't ridden enough to say if the MTC is actually completely off when the error happens, but current plan is just to ride it as is on the trip and see what I can do afterwards.
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Re: general failure warning?
« Reply #18 on: July 31, 2017, 08:12:24 am »
m0lt3n

Disabling the traction control should sort out the MTC failure temporarily. My bike is currently at KTM Bloemfontein with the same error. The mechanic suspects the rear ABS sensor was damaged when the rear wheel was removed at some stage.

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Re: general failure warning?
« Reply #19 on: July 31, 2017, 09:49:32 am »
Thanks Twister. My rear wheel is off now again, so guess its a good time to go check that sensor closely. I guess I could have easily pinched it.

What is the cost of the sensor?
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