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Normandien & Bezuidenhouts Pass & Memel Hotel
« on: December 06, 2017, 08:37:53 pm »
Hi Guys.  Would like to do a two, three of four day ride to Normandiens & Bezuidenhouts pass from JHB.  At least one night stay over at the Memel Hotel.  Any route advise?  What passes should I not miss?  What scenery must I see?  Any directions, advise or gdb files will be appreciated.  As much gravel as possible.  Thanks. Carel
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Re: Normandien & Bezuidenhouts Pass & Memel Hotel
« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2017, 08:53:36 pm »
Bezuidenhout was a great experience although a fairly advanced ride. Did it from top to bottom. Some say it is very tricky from bottom to top especially if a bit wet.

Normandien has awesome scenery.

Think it was Tintwa pass (close to Bezuidenhout) that also had awesome scenery.

Close to van Reenen before you go down the pass you can turn left toward the old railway tunnel

Just south of Volksrus and Charlestown there is another tunnel (info somewhere on the forum)
 

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Re: Normandien & Bezuidenhouts Pass & Memel Hotel
« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2017, 08:58:46 pm »
Look up Sandspruit Pass, close to Bezuidenhout’s Pass.  Little Jem.
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Re: Normandien & Bezuidenhouts Pass & Memel Hotel
« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2017, 10:01:34 pm »
Bezuidenhout was a great experience although a fairly advanced ride. Did it from top to bottom. Some say it is very tricky from bottom to top especially if a bit wet.

Normandien has awesome scenery.

Think it was Tintwa pass (close to Bezuidenhout) that also had awesome scenery.

Close to van Reenen before you go down the pass you can turn left toward the old railway tunnel

Just south of Volksrus and Charlestown there is another tunnel (info somewhere on the forum)

SM, the tunnel you are referring to is no longer accessible. The access from Charlestown side is closed with crash barriers. Since it's on private land, i guess the owner had enough of trespassers. Mullers pass is also a nice to do, with a nice waterfall roughly between Mullers and the town of Newcastle, name escape me now but you will find it on Google earth
 

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Re: Normandien & Bezuidenhouts Pass & Memel Hotel
« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2017, 11:36:16 pm »
SM, the tunnel you are referring to is no longer accessible. The access from Charlestown side is closed with crash barriers. Since it's on private land, i guess the owner had enough of trespassers. Mullers pass is also a nice to do, with a nice waterfall roughly between Mullers and the town of Newcastle, name escape me now but you will find it on Google earth

Are you sure we are talking about the same tunnel. There's two. When did they close it up?
We rode through the tunnel in July. Tried to find the second one but could not due to private land.
 

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Re: Normandien & Bezuidenhouts Pass & Memel Hotel
« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2017, 05:49:58 am »
HEADS UP:
Bezuidenhoutspass : Watch from From 03:00m
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Re: Normandien & Bezuidenhouts Pass & Memel Hotel
« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2017, 07:20:29 am »
Here is the route we did in November 2013
Jhb - Golden Gate - make sure you do the S22 road, it goes into the GG National Park from the Kestel Side. We had to leave Jhb late om the Friday, so we slabbed it to Bethlehem, but there are way better routes via Villiers - mostly gravel.
We did 5 of the passes the next day, stayed at the Memel hotel and did the last 2 on Sunday on the way home.
We did not do Bez Pass - we decided it was too risky at that time - it was seriously rough.
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Re: Normandien & Bezuidenhouts Pass & Memel Hotel
« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2017, 07:34:12 am »
I just watched Schalk's video - and decided we made the right choice.....  :biggrin:

BUT - now i have to go back with a 450 class bike....

Thanks!!

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« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2017, 07:57:30 am »
if doing Bezuidenhout pass , just bear in mind we had quite a lot of rain the last few weeks , so might be a extra challenge, will try and go have a look this weekend and let you know
 
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Re: Normandien & Bezuidenhouts Pass & Memel Hotel
« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2017, 08:25:58 am »
Let me know when you will do Bezuidenshout and I will join you and even show you another pass closeby ( Maanhaar )...I will be in Geluksburg from this coming Monday untill the 15th of Jan.

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Re: Normandien & Bezuidenhouts Pass & Memel Hotel
« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2017, 10:18:44 am »
Ek wil sommer ook nou gaan  :ricky:

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Re: Normandien & Bezuidenhouts Pass & Memel Hotel
« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2017, 11:54:42 am »
Hi Guys

Thanks for the info so far.  Which way do I tackle Normandiens and Bezuidenhouts?  Up or down?

Bezuidenhouts - Must I come from Geluksburg or Harrismith side?  Is up or down better?

Normandien - Must I come from Normandien or Memel side?  I did Normandien a long time ago and would like to ride up the 2 spoor concrete path and not down but cant remember from which side I came in.

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Re: Normandien & Bezuidenhouts Pass & Memel Hotel
« Reply #12 on: December 08, 2017, 11:56:06 am »
I will post a GDB for comment please once I have created the route.
 

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Re: Normandien & Bezuidenhouts Pass & Memel Hotel
« Reply #13 on: December 08, 2017, 12:59:08 pm »
Hi Guys

Thanks for the info so far.  Which way do I tackle Normandiens and Bezuidenhouts?  Up or down?

Bezuidenhouts - Must I come from Geluksburg or Harrismith side?  Is up or down better?

Normandien - Must I come from Normandien or Memel side?  I did Normandien a long time ago and would like to ride up the 2 spoor concrete path and not down but cant remember from which side I came in.

Thanks
Ok this can start a whole debate but herewith my 2c.
If you have a "lighter" bike and happy with technical stuff - UP
If you have heaver 1000cc+ bike - DOWN
My reasoning:
The heavier bikes get stuck uphill with to much loose gravel and stones - you really have to open up to get them up there and that needs confidence and skill. Downhill you just need to control your speed. You will fall over anyway  :lol8: but getting going again downhill is a LOT easier than uphill. No brand bashing intended here but certain 1200 bike clubs always do it down for example!!

Doing the 'Ben 10" (10 passess in 7 days Rhodes area) i experienced exactly the same thing as mentioned above with guys that i travelled with.
Most riders will tell you uphill but i suggest that they can either ride very well or they just say what everbody else is saying  :peepwall:
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Re: Normandien & Bezuidenhouts Pass & Memel Hotel
« Reply #14 on: December 08, 2017, 06:40:54 pm »
Great video. Might try it someday when I get a smaller bike.  1200  dude
 

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Re: Normandien & Bezuidenhouts Pass & Memel Hotel
« Reply #15 on: December 09, 2017, 08:32:33 am »
Have been going up regular up Normandien pass with my GS 1200 without any problems.Worst parts are all cement.
 

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Re: Normandien & Bezuidenhouts Pass & Memel Hotel
« Reply #16 on: Yesterday at 09:54:45 pm »
This is what I have in mind.  I have some questions.  If you know the area or tracks, I will appreciate any input. 

Basecamp has given automated times for each day / route.  Are these realistic?  They seem to be lenghty for the distance traveled?

Day 1 JHB to Highmoor
Day 2 Highmoor to Bezuidenhoutspass to Geluksdal
Day 3 Geluksdal to Memel hotel -
Between waypoint 6 and Van Reenen Station, there is a waypoint, "Exit Tunnel Secion (Dark)".  anyone with input here?  Can you ride through the tunnel, how long is it etc.  Is this detour to the tunnel worth the ride or should I shortcut via the N3 to Van Reenen?
Klipgat waterfall and cave - Is this private property?  Can I ride to the waterfall and cave?  If so, worth the detour?
Day 4 Memel to Memel round trip - Is Incandu falls accessible?
Day 5 - Memel to JHB

Is there any pass or waypoint or venue that I should be visiting that I am missing?  Is this ride possible in 4 days?

Thanks.  Carel
 

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« Reply #17 on: Today at 01:34:37 am »
You can visit incandu falls for a small fee.With all the rain we had it should be good.
 

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Re: Normandien & Bezuidenhouts Pass & Memel Hotel
« Reply #18 on: Today at 07:33:50 am »
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Re: Normandien & Bezuidenhouts Pass & Memel Hotel
« Reply #19 on: Today at 07:48:57 am »
This is what I have in mind.  I have some questions.  If you know the area or tracks, I will appreciate any input. 

Basecamp has given automated times for each day / route.  Are these realistic?  They seem to be lenghty for the distance traveled?

Day 1 JHB to Highmoor
Day 2 Highmoor to Bezuidenhoutspass to Geluksdal
Day 3 Geluksdal to Memel hotel -
Between waypoint 6 and Van Reenen Station, there is a waypoint, "Exit Tunnel Secion (Dark)".  anyone with input here?  Can you ride through the tunnel, how long is it etc.  Is this detour to the tunnel worth the ride or should I shortcut via the N3 to Van Reenen?
Klipgat waterfall and cave - Is this private property?  Can I ride to the waterfall and cave?  If so, worth the detour?
Day 4 Memel to Memel round trip - Is Incandu falls accessible?
Day 5 - Memel to JHB

Is there any pass or waypoint or venue that I should be visiting that I am missing?  Is this ride possible in 4 days?

Thanks.  Carel

Tunnel:  Are you using T4A?  If so you can zoom in a bit and see the tunnel section in grey.  Think it is still open. About 150m long.

Yes you can do it in 4 days. We did Bergville, van Reenen tunnel and route to Memel in 1 day with novices.
You have one 4 and one 3 hour day which is short days.