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Re: An Interesting & Seemingly Objective "Argument" - CRF1000 vs 1090 Adv
« Reply #20 on: December 16, 2017, 06:12:01 am »
Good point. Couple that with  'engine ergonomics' - in addition to the baked balls syndrome' :lol8: The nature of the KTM engines is generally what they themselves like to describe as "Ready to Race" ... ie. highly strung and often coupled to close ratio gearboxes (even in bigger bikes). Not only high maintenance but often a PIA (if not balls) as a tourer. Yes exciting to ride but long haul? Yes lots can be done with mapping and switch options these days but the basic engine design remains. In comparison the nature of the AT parallel twin engine is very forgiving - long smooth stroke, low revving, low maintenance ... makes for a good tourer (and yes Dan said it they been making these for a while, hey). So really no surprises here - the KTM with its Dakar legacy racing engine is not easily going to make a great tourer. Where the KTM will shine though is suspension and Honda can take a good look at that aspect.
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Re: An Interesting & Seemingly Objective "Argument" - CRF1000 vs 1090 Adv
« Reply #21 on: December 16, 2017, 09:25:34 am »
Suspension, like the actual D/S bike, is another department where you cannot have both worlds.

Shocks that can take a big hit, is impossible to tune to equal small ripples like a shock designed for plushness.

In fact, the very best D/S shock is still the old "right side up" with it's protective concertina boot.
 

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Re: An Interesting & Seemingly Objective "Argument" - CRF1000 vs 1090 Adv
« Reply #22 on: December 16, 2017, 09:41:38 am »
I'm waiting for Round 3...

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Re: An Interesting & Seemingly Objective "Argument" - CRF1000 vs 1090 Adv
« Reply #23 on: December 16, 2017, 10:04:33 am »
Both bikes, you can even add a GS 1200 is awesome ROAD BIKES.   Whoever controls the media / advertising , controls the mind.
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Re: An Interesting & Seemingly Objective "Argument" - CRF1000 vs 1090 Adv
« Reply #24 on: December 16, 2017, 12:37:12 pm »
At the end of the day
 "Its not the bike but what you do with the bike  that really counts"

Exactly  :thumleft:

+2

Two things:

1. The entire write-up describes the 1090 as being the better bike, but they conclude that the AT is their choice.

because:

2. It is a better traveller...

Why is it assumed that something that is capable of hardcore riding would not work as a traveller?

ď...Honda pulled the rug from underneath KTMĒ LOL

Is this where you get all your inside info from XRRX :imaposer: :imaposer:

My dear boy Mr Renrew - you just can't pass an opportunity to get personal and insulting hey ...
... all because I've asked you once to stop using "God's" name to describe your feelings of excitement about KTM ... which you apparently have adhered to - THANK YOU!!!
In another post elsewhere you insinuated that I will run to the Mod's again - well - I can assure you I handle my shit myself - and I definelately have no "Mod-friends" - unlike you - getting away with "murder" on an open public forum!!

The reason for this thread was merely to share some interesting stuff (sorry - my bad - thought it was interesting) with other bikers, as I'm trying to do my homework as good as possible before my planned next purchase next year! And yes - the AT and 1090 Adv R is currently on my shortlist ...

BTW: I have been banned previously under another name from this forum - PERMANENTLY - for "sins" not even comparable to your personal charades !!!

SO GO FUCK YOURSELF !!!


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Expected loser/poser answer/reaction ...  ::) ::) O0 :snorting:

But, what is interesting though is that JonW altered my last sentence around 2:33pm, and Mr Renrew (or whoever he/she is), was still able to quote my original post at 2:57pm -  :peepwall: :peepwall:

Why don't you "man-up/girl-up" Renrew and show us who you really are !! Do you really own any bikes/ have you ever ridden any bike???  :peepwall: :pot:

What exactly are you asking? :imaposer:
You are correct in saying that I have nothing to say about your post, but for reasons other than you suspect ;) Take a guess :thumleft:
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Re: An Interesting & Seemingly Objective "Argument" - CRF1000 vs 1090 Adv
« Reply #25 on: December 16, 2017, 12:41:34 pm »
Both bikes, you can even add a GS 1200 is awesome ROAD BIKES.   Whoever controls the media / advertising , controls the mind.

You speak the truth!
« Last Edit: December 16, 2017, 01:08:16 pm by Renrew »
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Re: An Interesting & Seemingly Objective "Argument" - CRF1000 vs 1090 Adv
« Reply #26 on: December 16, 2017, 12:48:26 pm »
Renrew, the "cooked-balls" syndrome that appears on the big late-model KTM's is already one huge put-off for any traveller. ;)

KTM can rightly lay claim to a lot of competition experience, but where do they find themselves in terms of touring bike experience?

The above is an important point, as Honda has a lot of experience over KTM when it comes to rider ergonomics, and this is the reason so many people state that they felt at home on the

1000At almost immediately.

Dan, I wholeheartedly donít agree. What has given Honda the edge ito rider ergonomics! And how/where has that translated into bike design?

Having owned an 1190R I simply could not agree less. Although I never  experienced the cooked balls, I can acknowledge that it is an issue to some, but not all.

I am not seeing objective evidence supporting your/the articles claim that the AT makes a better traveller. How much time have you spent on either bike Dan?
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Re: An Interesting & Seemingly Objective "Argument" - CRF1000 vs 1090 Adv
« Reply #27 on: December 16, 2017, 01:21:22 pm »
Renrew, the "cooked-balls" syndrome that appears on the big late-model KTM's is already one huge put-off for any traveller. ;)

KTM can rightly lay claim to a lot of competition experience, but where do they find themselves in terms of touring bike experience?

The above is an important point, as Honda has a lot of experience over KTM when it comes to rider ergonomics, and this is the reason so many people state that they felt at home on the

1000At almost immediately.

Dan, I wholeheartedly donít agree. What has given Honda the edge ito rider ergonomics! And how/where has that translated into bike design?

Having owned an 1190R I simply could not agree less. Although I never  experienced the cooked balls, I can acknowledge that it is an issue to some, but not all.

I am not seeing objective evidence supporting your/the articles claim that the AT makes a better traveller. How much time have you spent on either bike Dan?

How much have you?
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Re: An Interesting & Seemingly Objective "Argument" - CRF1000 vs 1090 Adv
« Reply #28 on: December 16, 2017, 01:25:37 pm »
Renrew, the "cooked-balls" syndrome that appears on the big late-model KTM's is already one huge put-off for any traveller. ;)

KTM can rightly lay claim to a lot of competition experience, but where do they find themselves in terms of touring bike experience?

The above is an important point, as Honda has a lot of experience over KTM when it comes to rider ergonomics, and this is the reason so many people state that they felt at home on the

1000At almost immediately.

Dan, I wholeheartedly donít agree. What has given Honda the edge ito rider ergonomics! And how/where has that translated into bike design?

Having owned an 1190R I simply could not agree less. Although I never  experienced the cooked balls, I can acknowledge that it is an issue to some, but not all.

I am not seeing objective evidence supporting your/the articles claim that the AT makes a better traveller. How much time have you spent on either bike Dan?

The same could be asked about KTM. No winner here. You clearly love KTM and the guy you seem to have a problem with loves Honda. Why the handbags?
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Re: An Interesting & Seemingly Objective "Argument" - CRF1000 vs 1090 Adv
« Reply #29 on: December 16, 2017, 01:29:06 pm »
Renrew, the "cooked-balls" syndrome that appears on the big late-model KTM's is already one huge put-off for any traveller. ;)

KTM can rightly lay claim to a lot of competition experience, but where do they find themselves in terms of touring bike experience?

The above is an important point, as Honda has a lot of experience over KTM when it comes to rider ergonomics, and this is the reason so many people state that they felt at home on the

1000At almost immediately.

Dan, I wholeheartedly donít agree. What has given Honda the edge ito rider ergonomics! And how/where has that translated into bike design?

Having owned an 1190R I simply could not agree less. Although I never  experienced the cooked balls, I can acknowledge that it is an issue to some, but not all.

I am not seeing objective evidence supporting your/the articles claim that the AT makes a better traveller. How much time have you spent on either bike Dan?

The same could be asked about KTM. No winner here. You clearly love KTM and the guy you seem to have a problem with loves Honda. Why the handbags?

I agree :thumleft:

I donít have handbags, itís probably safe to assume that he bought all the handbags.
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Re: An Interesting & Seemingly Objective "Argument" - CRF1000 vs 1090 Adv
« Reply #30 on: December 16, 2017, 01:35:09 pm »
Renrew, the "cooked-balls" syndrome that appears on the big late-model KTM's is already one huge put-off for any traveller. ;)

KTM can rightly lay claim to a lot of competition experience, but where do they find themselves in terms of touring bike experience?

The above is an important point, as Honda has a lot of experience over KTM when it comes to rider ergonomics, and this is the reason so many people state that they felt at home on the

1000At almost immediately.

Dan, I wholeheartedly donít agree. What has given Honda the edge ito rider ergonomics! And how/where has that translated into bike design?

Having owned an 1190R I simply could not agree less. Although I never  experienced the cooked balls, I can acknowledge that it is an issue to some, but not all.

I am not seeing objective evidence supporting your/the articles claim that the AT makes a better traveller. How much time have you spent on either bike Dan?

How much have you?

A fair bit :thumleft:

Not that that validates any claim, but it does grant a modicum of insight into the claims made.

I would not say Iím a KTM guy, Iím the ďbuy whatís the bestĒ guy. And by best I mean offroad capability.

But please donít get me wrong, you need to realise Iím NOT hating on the AT, I am simply challenging some assertions I feel to be incorrect using subjective experience and objective facts.
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Re: An Interesting & Seemingly Objective "Argument" - CRF1000 vs 1090 Adv
« Reply #31 on: December 16, 2017, 01:42:01 pm »
Renrew, the "cooked-balls" syndrome that appears on the big late-model KTM's is already one huge put-off for any traveller. ;)

KTM can rightly lay claim to a lot of competition experience, but where do they find themselves in terms of touring bike experience?

The above is an important point, as Honda has a lot of experience over KTM when it comes to rider ergonomics, and this is the reason so many people state that they felt at home on the

1000At almost immediately.

Dan, I wholeheartedly donít agree. What has given Honda the edge ito rider ergonomics! And how/where has that translated into bike design?

Having owned an 1190R I simply could not agree less. Although I never  experienced the cooked balls, I can acknowledge that it is an issue to some, but not all.

I am not seeing objective evidence supporting your/the articles claim that the AT makes a better traveller. How much time have you spent on either bike Dan?

How much have you?

A fair bit :thumleft:

Not that that validates any claim, but it does grant a modicum of insight into the claims made.

I would not say Iím a KTM guy, Iím the ďbuy whatís the bestĒ guy. And by best I mean offroad capability.

But please donít get me wrong, you need to realise Iím NOT hating on the AT, I am simply challenging some assertions I feel to be incorrect using subjective experience and objective facts.

XRXX did not make the claims bud. The presenters of the ride review did. I suppose it is a passion subject in the end.
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Re: An Interesting & Seemingly Objective "Argument" - CRF1000 vs 1090 Adv
« Reply #32 on: December 16, 2017, 02:09:40 pm »
Where is that ignore topic button again?   :peepwall: 
(no offence Hardy just bored with the other banter)
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Re: An Interesting & Seemingly Objective "Argument" - CRF1000 vs 1090 Adv
« Reply #33 on: December 16, 2017, 02:13:50 pm »
At the end of the day
 "Its not the bike but what you do with the bike  that really counts"

Exactly  :thumleft:

+2

Two things:

1. The entire write-up describes the 1090 as being the better bike, but they conclude that the AT is their choice.

because:

2. It is a better traveller...

Why is it assumed that something that is capable of hardcore riding would not work as a traveller?

ď...Honda pulled the rug from underneath KTMĒ LOL

Is this where you get all your inside info from XRRX :imaposer: :imaposer:

My dear boy Mr Renrew - you just can't pass an opportunity to get personal and insulting hey ...
... all because I've asked you once to stop using "God's" name to describe your feelings of excitement about KTM ... which you apparently have adhered to - THANK YOU!!!
In another post elsewhere you insinuated that I will run to the Mod's again - well - I can assure you I handle my shit myself - and I definelately have no "Mod-friends" - unlike you - getting away with "murder" on an open public forum!!

The reason for this thread was merely to share some interesting stuff (sorry - my bad - thought it was interesting) with other bikers, as I'm trying to do my homework as good as possible before my planned next purchase next year! And yes - the AT and 1090 Adv R is currently on my shortlist ...

BTW: I have been banned previously under another name from this forum - PERMANENTLY - for "sins" not even comparable to your personal charades !!!

SO GO FUCK YOURSELF !!!


LOL :imaposer:  :imaposer:



Expected loser/poser answer/reaction ...  ::) ::) O0 :snorting:

But, what is interesting though is that JonW altered my last sentence around 2:33pm, and Mr Renrew (or whoever he/she is), was still able to quote my original post at 2:57pm -  :peepwall: :peepwall:

Why don't you "man-up/girl-up" Renrew and show us who you really are !! Do you really own any bikes/ have you ever ridden any bike???  :peepwall: :pot:

What exactly are you asking? :imaposer:
You are correct in saying that I have nothing to say about your post, but for reasons other than you suspect ;) Take a guess :thumleft:

 :spitcoffee:

You know exactly what I'm saying Werner - and exposing you is not going to do this old forum's credibility any good ... again you of all people should know what I mean by that ...
 

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Re: An Interesting & Seemingly Objective "Argument" - CRF1000 vs 1090 Adv
« Reply #34 on: December 16, 2017, 02:23:50 pm »
Renrew, the "cooked-balls" syndrome that appears on the big late-model KTM's is already one huge put-off for any traveller. ;)

KTM can rightly lay claim to a lot of competition experience, but where do they find themselves in terms of touring bike experience?

The above is an important point, as Honda has a lot of experience over KTM when it comes to rider ergonomics, and this is the reason so many people state that they felt at home on the

1000At almost immediately.

Dan, I wholeheartedly donít agree. What has given Honda the edge ito rider ergonomics! And how/where has that translated into bike design?

Having owned an 1190R I simply could not agree less. Although I never  experienced the cooked balls, I can acknowledge that it is an issue to some, but not all.

I am not seeing objective evidence supporting your/the articles claim that the AT makes a better traveller. How much time have you spent on either bike Dan?

Just ask yourself when did KTM started producing real long-distance D/S bikes, and when did Honda.

Heard of a Goldwing before? Released in 1975, it probably taught Honda more about ergonomics in motorcycling than anything else.

You're such a blind KTM fan your balls does'nt even boil. Are they empty? :ricky:

Reliability, a top factor when traveling far and far from home, is of course a Honda given.

The time spent on a particular bike is irrelevant, all your posts on all sort of bike threads has shown me that for you a KTM will always be the best. ;)
 
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Re: An Interesting & Seemingly Objective "Argument" - CRF1000 vs 1090 Adv
« Reply #35 on: December 16, 2017, 02:54:54 pm »
Back to the topic... I really like KTM's bikes, but I have to say that the post 950/990 era "big" bikes to me are hondlelik. If I was to choose on looks alone, the AT would be my choice.
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Re: An Interesting & Seemingly Objective "Argument" - CRF1000 vs 1090 Adv
« Reply #36 on: December 16, 2017, 02:58:44 pm »
The real reasoning for the so-called "handbag fight" is to discredit any possible opinion that the AT is the better adv bike....
If we have to lable the evaluaters as being idiots, we do that! And to make double sure we insult the poster as much as possible too!

The only question that still concerns me: Is Werner/Renrew really the 32yr old well be-spoken spoilt brat from Sandton with an obsession with KTM - strangely never showing pictures or RR's, or is he the "joker" character established by ......., to spice up the forum a bit ....
 

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Re: An Interesting & Seemingly Objective "Argument" - CRF1000 vs 1090 Adv
« Reply #37 on: December 16, 2017, 03:28:37 pm »
I believe that what Renrew is trying to say is that KTM is changing their slogan from "Ready to Race"  to  "Ready to tour".

And I can agree what with all the 200+kg things they have been pumping out.
 

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Re: An Interesting & Seemingly Objective "Argument" - CRF1000 vs 1090 Adv
« Reply #39 on: December 16, 2017, 04:00:52 pm »
The real reasoning for the so-called "handbag fight" is to discredit any possible opinion that the AT is the better adv bike....
If we have to lable the evaluaters as being idiots, we do that! And to make double sure we insult the poster as much as possible too!

The only question that still concerns me: Is Werner/Renrew really the 32yr old well be-spoken spoilt brat from Sandton with an obsession with KTM - strangely never showing pictures or RR's, or is he the "joker" character established by ......., to spice up the forum a bit ....

All I can say is WOW

Your posts donít even justify a response, but good luck with your narrative about me :thumleft:
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